NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

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MBB went missing 2007, MB went missing 2009, MW - 2010, ALC - 2010

What happened in 2008?

This article from Mar 27, 2009 titled, Feel Free To Hire Hookers Off Craigslist Again states "..the NYPD is no longer secretly patrolling the hooker ads on Craigslist."

http://gawker.com/5186924/feel-free-to-hire-hookers-off-craigslist-again


The killers possible 2008 murder?

This case is now apparently beeing investigated as a possible victim.
She was found June 27, 2008 by Southern State Parkway in Bellmore Long Island (ca 7 miles north of Jones Beach) :

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._6PPJs4bjEOqYKonueuhjoO?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

The dismembered body of 39-year-old Tanya Rush, a prostitute from East New York (Brooklyn), was found in Bellmore in June 2008. This case, along with another that the police are refusing to identify, is being reviewed, according to the New York Post.
 

Thanks, MrsPC. Being a prostitute is a dangerous business. This link describes the fate of a sex worker whose corpse was found stuffed in a large suitcase in 2004 just a few blocks from my apartment. As far as I have been able to determine, this woman's murder has never been solved:

http://gothamist.com/2004/06/07/body_found_on_13th_street.php

Postscript: In a neighborhood blog, I just discovered a note that the woman's killing had indeed been solved---by a confession, no less:

Murder confession
Three years after the body of a homeless woman was found in a steamer trunk in a vacant lot on E. 13th St. at Third Ave., Michael Mohr, 54, walked into the Ninth Precinct police station on E. Fifth St. and confessed to the crime, according to the office of Robert Morgenthau, Manhattan district attorney. Mohr, who lives at 245 E. 13th St. next to the lot where the body of Myrna Gonzalez was found, had a religious conversion and told police on June 6, 2007, that he had strangled the victim in a fit of rage. The body of Gonzalez, who was 45 when she was killed, was found in the trunk on June 6, 2004. The defendant had e-mailed family and friends that Jesus “wanted him to do the right thing,” a D.A. spokesperson said. Mohr is being held pending a June 25 appearance on the second-degree murder charge.
 
Just found out that ANOTHER dismembered body, also in a bag, was found ca. 2 weeks after Tanya Rush was found, AND on the same parkway!
How/why the police can say "there appears to be no link " to the Tanya Rush case, right after this new body was found, I have no idea, sounds very odd to me.
I belive this is the second body they are writing about todat, that could be connected to the LI serial killer case, the body that LE dont want to disclose who is.

http://www.observertoday.com/page/content.detail/id/505459/State-Briefs.html


NORTH MERRICK - New York state police are trying to determine the identity of human remains found in a bag next to a Long Island parkway.

Police said Thursday that the discovery was made by an off-duty trooper who saw a ''suspicious bag'' on the shoulder of the Southern State Parkway in North Merrick.

Troop Commander Major Walter Heesch says there appears to be no link to the grisly discovery and a dismembered body found in a suitcase June 27 along the same parkway in neighboring Bellmore. That victim has been identified as Tanya Rush of Brooklyn.
 
Just found out that ANOTHER dismembered body, also in a bag, was found ca. 2 weeks after Tanya Rush was found, AND on the same parkway!
How/why the police can say "there appears to be no link " to the Tanya Rush case, right after this new body was found, I have no idea, sounds very odd to me.
I belive this is the second body they are writing about todat, that could be connected to the LI serial killer case, the body that LE dont want to disclose who is.

http://www.observertoday.com/page/content.detail/id/505459/State-Briefs.html


NORTH MERRICK - New York state police are trying to determine the identity of human remains found in a bag next to a Long Island parkway.

Police said Thursday that the discovery was made by an off-duty trooper who saw a ''suspicious bag'' on the shoulder of the Southern State Parkway in North Merrick.

Troop Commander Major Walter Heesch says there appears to be no link to the grisly discovery and a dismembered body found in a suitcase June 27 along the same parkway in neighboring Bellmore. That victim has been identified as Tanya Rush of Brooklyn.

So Tanya Rush was a prostitute too. Missing June 2008, Dismembered. MBB missing 2007 burlap. Why switch back to dismembering in 2008, then back to burlap for MB in 2009. Folks we got 2 SK's on or hands......You can switch MO's but switching back, and then switching back again.......very unorthadox behavior .
 
So Tanya Rush was a prostitute too. Missing June 2008, Dismembered. MBB missing 2007 burlap. Why switch back to dismembering in 2008, then back to burlap for MB in 2009. Folks we got 2 SK's on or hands......You can switch MO's but switching back, and then switching back again.......very unorthadox behavior .

Plus by the time Tanya Rush was killed whoever killed MBB knew that the body hadn't been discovered after being there almost a year. Why would he just dump the body on the parkway instead of going back to OP.

The dismembered bodies weren't hidden very well as opposed to the OP bodies.
 
Plus by the time Tanya Rush was killed whoever killed MBB knew that the body hadn't been discovered after being there almost a year. Why would he just dump the body on the parkway instead of going back to OP.

The dismembered bodies weren't hidden very well as opposed to the OP bodies.

The only possible motive I can come up with is that the BG4 girls were all Craigslist girls, a bit high end, got "better" treatment. And the the other girls could have been street walkers and got "worse" treatment. Sorry if that sounds bad. Not sure how to phrase that in a good way....sorry
 
In the case of Mr Brown, the Queens man who was sentenced for sex trafficking, kidnapping, rape, etc (August 2008 arrested, released and re-arrested in September 2008 and later incarcerated for the crimes) he had two and possibly three "accomplices," one, Isakadze, who is "in the wind" and who may actually be back in Georgia, (Ukraine?) Researching his name, only one was found in the entire US and there is one the same age back in Georgia who actually has a facebook page and could possibly be affiliated with a hotel chain.

At any rate, Isakadze's only address listed was in Springfield Gardens, NY which is within just a couple miles of the body dumps of both Mrs. Rush and the other UID woman, in the laundry bag (2008).

Not saying that any of these are related to the GB4 but!!!!
it certainly lends credence to the fact that if there are several pimps killing off runaway or independent prostitutes they all seem to use the same techniques of killing and/or dismembering them, stuffing them inside of something and tossing them along the side of Brooklyn, LI and NY highways and parkways...or doing the same and leaving them in parks or in the water. IT really seems like any women who is found brutally murdered, stuffed inside of a container and dumped on the side of the road may be a victim of a common practice employed by people in authority within the prostitution/sex trade industry. Hard to say if it is just a common practice of individual pimps or the work of organized crimes or gangs. Brown was investigated by the Queens Gang Unit so maybe there is a ring that uses these practices.

It seems like there may be one SK for the GB4 (possibly a second for AC) yet an industry-wide practice being employed for the majority of the OB, Manorville, Wilmington, NC, Daytona Beach, FLA victims, the list goes on and on.

Re:
"Both men were arrested on August 24. Unfortunately the victim ran away and both criminals were released. Later, on September, an investigation revealed that Devon Gordon, 27, Brown’s brother paid the victim’s silence and hid her. Gordon was sentenced to a conditional release. Isakadze remains at large and wanted for rape and forcing into prostitution charges."

ETA: More details here
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

authorities learned that the victim had run away. Unable to locate the victim and proceed with the case in a timely fashion, the Court was forced to release the defendants without bail pursuant to Criminal Procedure Law 180.80. The

victim was subsequently found on Sept. 23, 2008, when she was arrested on a charge of loitering for the purposes of prostitution. A joint investigation by the New York City Police Department and the Queens District Attorney’s Office revealed that Brown’s brother, Devon Gordon, 27, of 60 Rahme Avenue in East Rockaway, L.I., had paid the victim not to testify and then hid her.

Gordon has since pleaded guilty to tampering with a witness and was sentenced to a conditional discharge.
 
It may be important to note that the term "boyfriend" may be interchangeable with "pimp." The terms "bodyguard/protection" and "driver" may be interchangeable and actually refer to the men (employees of the "boyfriends") and they aren't actually protecting the women but are protecting their boss' commodity. They may be like overseers of the "workers" and there to make sure that the workers get the money and the women/workers back to their "boyfriends."

I really don't believe that SG was completely Independent. It seems that she maybe thought JB could help her get away and that the person she was really afraid of was MP and the man he actually worked/works for. In the case of mr Brown he is the one that photographed the women and put up the ads on Craigslist. (2008)

Maybe MP placed the ads and managed her appointments.
 
oops....on the body found in the laundry type bag...looks like that case was already solved:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Nice find. And the crime did not fit the MO either. She was a waitress....

Edit- 2 hours later-
Well I just saw something that really made me re-think this case. It could be very well 1 SK. I just saw a video that changed my whole view on dismemberment. An now I believe we have a serious problem on our hands.
There is a home video of 2 Russian SK's mutilating and attempting to dismember a homeless lady. The most disturbing thing I've ever seen on the internet. (And I've seen some crazy stuff)
I will not go into details, but the mentality these two guy had while doing it was outright cold. If this guy is even half a sick as these two guys.....I don't even wanna think about it.
It was ....bad.
 
The only possible motive I can come up with is that the BG4 girls were all Craigslist girls, a bit high end, got "better" treatment. And the the other girls could have been street walkers and got "worse" treatment. Sorry if that sounds bad. Not sure how to phrase that in a good way....sorry

there could be a logistical explanation, such as if he can get an outcall girl to come to his 2nd home/office then the best disguise for moving them is burlap.. "just came back from clamming/fishing" but if he can't get the outcall and goes to a motel room, then you would want to walk out of the motel room with a suitcase.

It also makes perfect sense that if he was now returning home from the motel with a body in a suitcase, that you wouldn't throw a suitcase into the brush off of ocean parkway, it wouldn't blend in at all and could be seen from the bay and sky. Southern state parkway in Bellmore looks like your last chance to litter a suitcase on the road before you get home to oak beach.

I used to think the suitcase dismemberment job in westchester/northshore could be a different SK, but after the proximity of Bellmore to Oak Beach and similarity in using a suitcase etc... I think they are from the same HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE SK. I also now, for the first time, think he is responsible for the AC murders. He must have been "late for dinner" regularly if he has a family at home.
 
In the case of Mr Brown, the Queens man who was sentenced for sex trafficking, kidnapping, rape, etc (August 2008 arrested, released and re-arrested in September 2008 and later incarcerated for the crimes) he had two and possibly three "accomplices," one, Isakadze, who is "in the wind" and who may actually be back in Georgia, (Ukraine?) Researching his name, only one was found in the entire US and there is one the same age back in Georgia who actually has a facebook page and could possibly be affiliated with a hotel chain.

RSBM

Didn't the drifter go back to Georgia? I always thought that they were referring to the state, but maybe it was the country... jmo
 
....It also makes perfect sense that if he was now returning home from the motel with a body in a suitcase, that you wouldn't throw a suitcase into the brush off of ocean parkway, it wouldn't blend in at all and could be seen from the bay and sky. Southern state parkway in Bellmore looks like your last chance to litter a suitcase on the road before you get home to oak beach.

I used to think the suitcase dismemberment job in westchester/northshore could be a different SK, but after the proximity of Bellmore to Oak Beach and similarity in using a suitcase etc... I think they are from the same HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE SK. I also now, for the first time, think he is responsible for the AC murders. He must have been "late for dinner" regularly if he has a family at home.

BBM & RSBM That comment and the Mrs' delivery of that remark always struck me as inappropriate. It left one wondering: Just how often was he late for dinner and what time is dinnertime?
 
Bodhi93, just reading your comment about the "drifter" and "Georgia" and...wow...glad you saw that and made that connection. No one ever said Georgia, USA did they?

This case is rife with suspects and so many possibilities as to motives and connections.
 
Bodhi93, just reading your comment about the "drifter" and "Georgia" and...wow...glad you saw that and made that connection. No one ever said Georgia, USA did they?

This case is rife with suspects and so many possibilities as to motives and connections.

Thanks Just K... it's also made me think that there might be a connection to a missing girl from Toronto, ON... she's from Georgia (not USA)... and her mother seems to be connected with the Isakadze name...

I wonder if the drifter took Shannan with him? --- just speculating, nothing concrete ---
 
Does anyone have any links about the drifter?

All of the stories I have found cite the NY Post as the source of information.
 
Does anyone have any links about the drifter?

All of the stories I have found cite the NY Post as the source of information.

hmmm... all the information I found says that a 48yr old drifter was with Brewer... could this be another time where LE is giving mis-information?
 
hmmm... all the information I found says that a 48yr old drifter was with Brewer... could this be another time where LE is giving mis-information?

THANK YOU BODHI! I haven't been making any mental leaps in this case in a while and I think you just nailed it!

I never really believed the drifter thing, it doesn't add up at all. I believe there was someone else in the house, otherwise the word party never would have been used or repeated by police. If there was a person who "left the area" they would still have been questioned and we would have known about that!

So who else was questioned in this case ... hmmm ... and questioned "a number of times" CPH. Something that struck me as odd from the first time I heard CPH make a statement, I'm sure you will all remember it (or can find it) was CPH use of the word "libelous". As soon as I heard that word I chuckled and said to my girlfriend, "who uses the word libelous?" It reminded me of the way my father speaks...because my father is a criminal attorney. I said who is this guy a lawyer (this is before I knew anything of CPH) when I learned he was a doctor I still found it odd that his (immediate) vocabulary contained the word libelous. That is a term only lawyers keep in the front of there medula :) I quickly deduced that this fellow was already well "lawyered up" and that his attorneys had been telling him and everyone else that they can not say CPH was in anyway involved otherwise said attorneys will SUE for defamation. The SCPD knows the law and if CPH attorneys communicated to SCPD that they better not mention his name or they will sue for libel... then guess what, the SCPD can't name CPH as a POI, suspect, or use his name in connection to anything else that could harm his multimillion dollar reputation... that is the definition of libelous.

so thank you very much bodhi!! you just filled in my only missing piece; CPH's direct connection to that night. CPH was there and everybody inside knows, they just can't say. JB was able to piece it together by the time he was talking to the media "the truth will come out" he just can't say what the truth his because he will be sued too and he knows it. Without actual proof - it's slander so the police told JB he has to wait until they have the proof they need.

CPH let's his lawyers speak for him just like he lets his wife speak for him when he cowers in his home. That is what guilty people do. And that look on his face, I understand exactly what it is now:
http://www.findshannangilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Peter-Hackett1.png
It's the look of someone who is cornered and about to get beat up, when one is completely trapped and will not escape.


Makes financial sense (financial advisor) too that JB would sell that house...
he knows the truth, and he knows when it comes out Oak Beach will have that "Amityville" stigma.

A good lawyer goes a long way CPH, but they won't stop watching you till you are caught, and you don't seem like you will be able to stop.
 
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