GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

[BunnyHop]

At least some part of the defense will be that LE forced a confession:

Portale went on to state that he believed that the statements Graswald provided to investigators were coerced.

http://www.portalelaw.com/richard-portale-representing-angelika-graswald-in-murder-case/

JMOO, Portale is a freak lawyer, looking for fame.
I have good friends in WP. Pffft to Portale.

He's just looking for his 5 minutes of fame. Moo
Poor guy is gonna loose.

 

[BunnyHop]

Hudson Highlands.

There's a reason they used the gloman.

Gloaming would only be used by the Scotch.

 

[OldSteve]

JMOO, Portale is a freak lawyer, looking for fame.
I have good friends in WP. Pffft to Portale.

He's just looking for his 5 minutes of fame. Moo
Poor guy is gonna loose.

Ha, he only gets 5 minutes of fame.... (Andy Warhol gave us all 15 minutes)... Interesting how a lawyer's appearance and mannerisms can affect things... Same of course can be said of the defendant...

 

[BunnyHop]

I think it's a nice word. Old fashioned but I've heard it before, especially in poetry. However, although I thought it had something to do with misty darkness, I didn't know the definition until I read it here.




Me too. Something about her creeps
me out. But aside from that, this isn't a small, backwoods force, for example, pressured to solve a case or harboring an innate prejudice against Latvian Russians. There is no hint of corruption surrounding this force. The incident was treated as an accident and would've been left there but for the statements of Graswald. There was zero motivation for LE to coerce a confession. It's illogical.

Only problem, they could have used sunset etc.

They chose gloaming for a reason. IMO, it resonates with "The Highlands".

 

[wfgodot]

Don't get me started or I'll go on to illustrate the myriad usages of the term 'gloaming' in poetry. Don't make me go full Charles Stuart Calverley on such a nice group of people!

 

[BunnyHop]

Don't get me started or I'll go on to illustrate the myriad usages of the term 'gloaming' in poetry. Don't make me go full Charles Stuart Calverley on such a nice group of people!

Go for it.

Thing is, we would never use that terminology here. Not in a million years.

 

[gitana1]

Go for it.

Thing is, we would never use that terminology here. Not in a million years.

I don't know about that. I felt certain the term is used here now and then so I looked. An American author wrote a short story called In The Gloaming. A movie with the same title was made here in 97 about a guy dying of AIDS.

On another subject, I want to say that criminal defense attorneys often make grandiose statements meant to support their clients' innocence that are purposefull misleading and have no basis in truth. Like, "a satanic cult in a black van took Laci. We are 100% going to prove Scott's innocence."

Or that Casey's dad molested the baby and threatened casey. Or that Travis Alexander was a pedophile who kept attacking jodi after being stabbed multiple times and his head practically severed from his neck.

It's the Chewabacca defense. Say something with enough conviction and people will believe it- that a quite articulate woman didn't understand what was
being said so she confessed in great, emotional detail to something she didn't do. Or that prosecutors who had zero motivation to do so coerced and are
falsely accusing the bereaved partner of an accident victim.

 

[frisson]

Please forgive me.
SCOTS.
"Scotch" is a beverage ....and an adhesive tape. Thanks. Carry on.

 

[wfgodot]

A prosecutorial charge is itself a grandiose statement, accusing a person of what remains to be proven.

 

[gitana1]

A prosecutorial charge is itself a grandiose statement, accusing a person of what remains to be proven.

With respect, that's nonsense. Criminal complaints are notoriously devoid of grandiose statements. They include bare, unromantic statements of fact and importantly, they aren't meant to mislead.

Further, those statements are based on actual evidence that was gathered in the course of a police investigation.

 

[wfgodot]

I certainly will let my opinion stand.

 

[silly1]

Still holding the "State has no case" fort here; good morning, all!

Taken from:
http://www.orangecountygov.com/filestorage/124/912/2014_Annual_Report.pdf

Of the 23 trials that resulted in verdicts, eighteen defendants were convicted and five were acquitted. The
overall 2014 felony conviction rate was 94%.

While I guess it's possible that the state doesn't have a case, I don't think it's probable.

 

[silly1]

You know, I think they have it all. Just my 2 cents.
These guys aren't messing around IMHO.

^This

 

[wfgodot]

Taken from:
http://www.orangecountygov.com/filestorage/124/912/2014_Annual_Report.pdf

Of the 23 trials that resulted in verdicts, eighteen defendants were convicted and five were acquitted. The
overall 2014 felony conviction rate was 94%.

While I guess it's possible that the state doesn't have a case, I don't think it's probable.

Impressive, a cut above the national average (93%, at least in 2012). In many murder cases the defense will posit an alternate killer; here, it's the Hudson, which has in its time claimed many victims -- a past history.

 

[silly1]

But aside from that, this isn't a small, backwoods force, for example, pressured to solve a case or harboring an innate prejudice against Latvian Russians. There is no hint of corruption surrounding this force. The incident was treated as an accident and would've been left there but for the statements of Graswald. There was zero motivation for LE to coerce a confession. It's illogical.

100% agree with you!

 

[silly1]

Impressive, a cut above the national average (93%, at least in 2012). In many murder cases the defense will posit an alternate killer; here, it's the Hudson, which has in its time claimed many victims -- a past history.

True enough! And I really believe the COD will end up being drowning but the problem for me is what would have caused a seemingly strong man known for his love of water activities to become so reckless as to not wear a life vest and cross to Bannerman's at the widest part they could've possibly found, all while being under the influence of alcohol. Why would he not have grabbed back onto his kayak?

 

[silly1]

O/T: Are there any substances that can be given to someone in order to make them pass out that can't be detected through toxicology screens?

 

[Inthedetails]

Impressive, a cut above the national average (93%, at least in 2012). In many murder cases the defense will posit an alternate killer; here, it's the Hudson, which has in its time claimed many victims -- a past history.

And the prosecution will present the Hudson as the weapon with AG as the killer.

 

[wfgodot]

And the prosecution will present the Hudson as the weapon with AG as the killer.

Well-said.

 

[lstiff]

O/T: Are there any substances that can be given to someone in order to make them pass out that can't be detected through toxicology screens?

Not off topic since the toxicology report isn't back that I know of. I think I remember a Dateline where Chloroform was used to kill someone & went undetected for a while bc it isn't on a standard toxicology screen but I could be wrong. It was a husband who had ordered through his job in a hospital lab (?) and put it in his wife's smoothie. JMO