GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

[frisson]

I would perhaps be more on the fence if I hadnt seen video of her talking about this. It is just my opinion, but I dont believe her when she tells the sad story bit

 

[epiphany]

One other thing I noticed. His Mom has many LE friends. Yup.

At least some part of the defense will be that LE forced a confession:

Portale went on to state that he believed that the statements Graswald provided to investigators were coerced.

http://www.portalelaw.com/richard-portale-representing-angelika-graswald-in-murder-case/

 

[wfgodot]

new from NYT:

Minus Physical Evidence in Kayak Case, a Focus on Suspect’s Statements

....^^ lengthily interesting

 

[epiphany]

new from NYT:

Minus Physical Evidence in Kayak Case, a Focus on Suspect’s Statements

From your link:

Still, the statements, as quoted, are so graphic and emotionally charged – seemingly plucked from a noir film — that they may resonate with a jury, especially if investigators videotaped her.

“It’s a pretty chilling set of statements,” said George C. Thomas III, the board of governors professor of law, also at Rutgers. “It’s one thing to coerce defendants. But to come out and say, ‘I’m glad he’s dead’ — that’s not something you’d be willing to say unless you’re on a rack.”

 

[epiphany]

Would her attorney have ordered a psych eval yet?

Can only think undiagnosed BP, mania.

Would have to be flying high to make the statements LE stated she made imo:

<snip>

Prosecutors contend that Ms. Graswald said it &#8220;felt good knowing he was going to die,&#8221; that she was filled with &#8220;happiness and relief&#8221; as he drowned, and that she looked forward to spending the $250,000 in life insurance money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/n...ayak-case-a-focus-on-suspects-statements.html

Not understanding the nuances, subtleties of the English language since she grew up speaking Russian, etc: I don't buy it from the one interview of her speaking that I saw.

 

[BunnyHop]

It was on the way back from Bannerman Island, where the couple stopped off, that Ms. Graswald called 911 at 7:40 to report that Mr. Viafore had capsized. The police say Ms. Graswald waited nearly a half-hour to call after Mr. Viafore went into the frigid water &#8211; a detail that presumably came from her.

&#8220;It is also alleged that she moved the paddle away from him as he was struggling to stay afloat with water temperatures in the 40 degree range,&#8221; read a statement from the district attorney&#8217;s office.

Prosecutors have also said that Ms. Graswald intentionally capsized her own kayak to make it look as though she had tried to save him. A person with firsthand knowledge of the rescue said that members of a local boat club were alerted to the couple&#8217;s distress, and that as they approached, they saw her throw herself into the water.

Then there are the Facebook posts, in which Ms. Graswald is seen days after Mr. Viafore&#8217;s disappearance smiling broadly in selfies, playing with her cat, visiting an animal shelter and doing a cartwheel. Whether they will be admissible at trial is uncertain, however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/n...ayak-case-a-focus-on-suspects-statements.html

 

[BunnyHop]

&#8220;It depends on the judge,&#8221; said Jeanine F. Pirro, a former Westchester County district attorney and host of Fox News Channel&#8217;s &#8220;Justice With Judge Jeanine.&#8221; &#8220;The prosecution will say it&#8217;s inconsistent with the behavior of someone whose fiancé just died. And the defense will say, &#8216;Wait a minute, maybe she&#8217;s just blowing off steam.&#8217;&#8221;

I gotta admit I am not a fan of Judge Pirro. I live in Westchester and her husband is a crook, big time. He served time and somehow Judge Pirro got off scott free. So I'm not a fan.

Just saying.

 

[BunnyHop]

Angelika Graswald Pleads Not Guilty

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hudson-river-kayak-case-angelika-graswald-pleads-guilty/story?id=31388687

 

[wfgodot]

Poughkeepsie Journal:

VIDEO: Graswald pleads not guilty to fiance's murder

 

[wfgodot]

The reporter gets extra bonus points!

Two further, almost completely o/t, 'gloaming' references....

....it's celebrated in story

....and in song

 

[frisson]

I respect and understand the views here; I just got chills watching her speak about it. The media links are in the first pages.

 

[hot cawfeee]

am sure she will be more glam (as opposed to gloam , of course) at trial.......
it is an odd choice of words.......is she an avid reader ? Literature or poetry ? The arm chair psychologist is coming out in me..

 

[OldSteve]

new from NYT:

Minus Physical Evidence in Kayak Case, a Focus on Suspect&#8217;s Statements

....^^ lengthily interesting

The culture/language thing is of concern... know any Russian women? I believe some will sometime say things completely opposite the way they feel.

Anyway, the kind of confession I would want would have her giving facts and details that can be verified.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Word of the Day?

 

[gitana1]

Yes. So why didn't they use those easy terms?
Gloaming reminds me of Loch Lomend.

They are the Hudson Highlands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHMcTYtM_k

May Mary Ann Viafore and friends prevail. xo

I think it's a nice word. Old fashioned but I've heard it before, especially in poetry. However, although I thought it had something to do with misty darkness, I didn't know the definition until I read it here.

I respect and understand the views here; I just got chills watching her speak about it. The media links are in the first pages.

Me too. Something about her creeps
me out. But aside from that, this isn't a small, backwoods force, for example, pressured to solve a case or harboring an innate prejudice against Latvian Russians. There is no hint of corruption surrounding this force. The incident was treated as an accident and would've been left there but for the statements of Graswald. There was zero motivation for LE to coerce a confession. It's illogical.

 

[pappa rob]

Word of the Day?

Hey gloaming isn't anywhere as confusing as obfuscate.

 

[BunnyHop]

The culture/language thing is of concern... know any Russian women? I believe some will sometime say things completely opposite the way they feel.

Anyway, the kind of confession I would want would have her giving facts and details that can be verified.

I have to admit, I'm Ukrainian.
2nd generation. My Grandmother spoke 5 languages.
I have my own perspective. Yep

 

[gitana1]

The culture/language thing is of concern... know any Russian women? I believe some will sometime say things completely opposite the way they feel.

Anyway, the kind of confession I would want would have her giving facts and details that can be verified.

So her culture evidences she meant the opposite of "I tampered with his kayak. I felt trapped. I moved his paddle from his reach. I felt happy and a sense of relief as I watched him drown." ??

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I think it's a nice word. Old fashioned but I've heard it before, especially in poetry. However, although I thought it had something to do with misty darkness, I didn't know the definition until I read it here.




Me too. Something about her creeps
me out. But aside from that, this isn't a small, backwoods force, for example, pressured to solve a case or harboring an innate prejudice against Latvian Russians. There is no hint of corruption surrounding this force. The incident was treated as an accident and would've been left there but for the statements of Graswald. There was zero motivation for LE to coerce a confession. It's illogical.

I love it. I wish all reporters would get above a 5th grade reading level in their articles.

 

[OldSteve]

So her culture evidences she meant the opposite of "I tampered with his kayak. I felt trapped. I moved his paddle from his reach. I felt happy and a sense of relief as I watched him drown." ??

Please, With regard to what I wrote - I'm talking about feelings when I said - I believe some will sometime say things completely opposite the way they feel.

I want details revealed in a confession. She has given two in what you mentioned, and LE should have gotten more about how she tampered with his kayak? Also, her admitting to pushing the paddle, would like to hear what took place etc..