GUILTY OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in grave , 7 May 2017 *GUILTY OF ABUSE OF CORPSE ONLY* *resentencing 2022* #4

[Winterhike]

does anyone know if they ever said what the size of the bones were? And would the bone size tell them for sure if the baby was full-term and had O2 from room air by any chance?

Are you asking if a bone can be analyzed to determine whether the baby took a breath?

 

[proctorelites]

Absolutely, I think maybe that was miscommunication. I've just dealt with harsh judgement myself from people with a few facts in my lifetime, confirmation bias was definitely at play. My point being I like to hear it all before I form opinions now. (Which I did do right out of the gate here on WS, myself & you can see the progression of my opinion and watch me vacillate throughout the trial) I've never been more aware of the need to hear the trial before I form my opinion and this case drove that home for me. I was hoping to impart that experience to others if they care for that information. I spent too much time here this week. Lol
Opinions are like ***** everybody has one, IMO.

 

[SeesSeas]

Skylar Richardson Trial - YouTube
Skylar Richardson Trial
34 videos
Law & Crime Network

 

[dizzychick]

Are you asking if a bone can be analyzed to determine whether the baby took a breath?

yes and the small 2X2 inch tissue I forgot to add they did have that, was wondering what about the marrow? Nothing left there? They didn't say. I didn't hear anything about animal activity so I assumed it was undisturbed as far as that goes. Just wondering. Just like little Caylee Anthony, we would know so much more if someone had found her sooner, little Annabelle was in the elements twice as long.

 

[al66pine]

Jury Nullification?
from Post by Mariposa
Mariposa said: ↑
This! Sure judges have a lot of latitude on what they say in sentencing. But If I was that jury I would be pissed off at his remarks. Sure condemn BSR all you want judge--- but stick to what she was convicted of! But he made sure to perform for the cameras and press. If you look at what groups endorse his election you will see who he needs to impress-- the same ones the elected DA needs to impress. I thought it was gross of him and again a slap in the face to the jury. MOO, but of course!

Kind of like jury nullification without actually doing it. JMO.

@BeckyF Thanks for your post. Some info re jury nullification.
"Jury nullification sometimes takes the form of a jury convicting the defendant of lesser charges than what the prosecutor sought.[12]
".... discussions of jury nullification center around drug laws that are considered by many to be unjust either in principle or because they disproportionately affect members of certain groups."
"In criminal cases, jury nullification arguments sometimes focus on the precise language of the jury instruction on the burden of proof. Many jury instructions on the issue of the burden of proof invite nullification arguments. According to these instructions juries must find the defendant not guilty if the case has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt..[ ] Conversely the jury should find the defendant guilty if the case has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.[ ] The permissive language "should" arguably allows juries to consider nullification arguments. It is also possible to receive a specific jury instruction on nullification, though most judges simply avoid the topic and do not tell jurors of their power to judge the fairness of the law and how it is applied as well as to judge the facts of a case."
{{{ETA: Jury nullification in the United States - Wikipedia}}}

From what (little) I know about this case and from posts here, seems jury concluded that the state did not prove all elements of more serious charges beyond a reasonable doubt, imo, does not seem like jury thought these crim laws were unjust in principle. jmo, could be wrong.
{{{ETA: @Mariposa -- pls feel free to correct/clarify/re-interp anything here.}}}

 

[dizzychick]

Yes, there has certainly been a lot of research since the eighties.
In fact my cousin developed anorexia in the late eighties when she was around 13 and I wish she had been treated earlier.
It was not until she was about 25 years old that she finally went to a year long program for treatment.
Her parents were in denial for years and did not take her to therapy when she was a teenager. Family dynamics play a large role.

She spent most of her life in treatment, but never weighed more than eighty pounds. She was 66 pounds at 5'8, at her lowest, when she was first hospitalized. Her legs were thinner than my arms.

She was constantly being hospitalized for low potassium levels. She had to be resuscitated many times. When she was around 30 years old, she had part of her jaw removed because of osteoporosis. She had countless other medical problems.

But she was a perfectionist and very intelligent, and managed to get two degrees and hold a job for almost ten years.

By the time she was 30, after having the metal plate put her in jaw to hold it together, she was not able to take care of herself anymore. Her speech was slurred due to brain damage, and it was difficult to have a conversation with her. It was too exhausting for her. She lived like that for eleven more years, until she finally died from heart failure at age 41.

We were all amazed that she lived that long.

It was no way to live, though.

If Skylar really does have an eating disorder, early intervention is the best hope for recovery. It's still not too late. Imo

I am so sorry, she sounded like an awesome person

 

[dizzychick]

Judge Belvin Perry went on some talk show and said something to the effect " The jury has spoken but one day she will face the Judge of Judges, etc I was a little taken back by that since it was also NG, all but lying to cops which was a misdemeanor. I think he also commented that he not only believed she was guilty but there was enough evidence to convict and he thought her parents were going to be her next victims so she could get the house.

 

[grammieto5]

Could someone tell me please, what does "suffered from an eating disorder" have to do with what Skylar Richardson did to her baby?

 

[Winterhike]

yes and the small 2X2 inch tissue I forgot to add they did have that, was wondering what about the marrow? Nothing left there? They didn't say. I didn't hear anything about animal activity so I assumed it was undisturbed as far as that goes. Just wondering. Just like little Caylee Anthony, we would know so much more if someone had found her sooner, little Annabelle was in the elements twice as long.

I think you'll find all this information in this video of Dr. Susan Brown's testimony, particularly in the defense's cross-examination which starts around 52 minutes.

 

[Winterhike]

Could someone tell me please, what does "suffered from an eating disorder" have to do with what Skylar Richardson did to her baby?

The short version is that the physical effects of BSR's documented eating disorder COULD have caused the baby to be stillborn or otherwise compromised so that she died. The eating disorder did not directly cause her to kill or neglect the baby (IF she did), or to bury the baby in the backyard. However, it is a symptom of her dysfunctional family system and a piece of the puzzle that contributed to BSR's state of mind and particular pathology, which probably influenced the decisions she made or avoided that ended in this tragedy.

The long version is that you should read the threads about this case.

 

[MsBetsy]

Could someone tell me please, what does "suffered from an eating disorder" have to do with what Skylar Richardson did to her baby?

Well, you'll have to go back and read but some believe her eating disorder may have caused her to to have a low-birth weight, or a still born baby.

However a specialist, I believe Dr Brown, reported that there was no indication that Skylar had health problems to the extent that her baby would be at risk, malnourished, or a small baby.

However some disagree and there is plenty of indication that she does have an eating disorder.

In fact, anorexia can cause brain damage and some experts believe that this is what contributed to Adam Lanza's tragic school shooting crime. Imo

 

[Hope4More]

2nd Juror Speaks Out
5 hours ago


“We didn’t deliberate long on the (aggravated) murder charge, and we could not convict on (some of) the other charges because it was not a live birth,” he said.


Lamb still believes Richardson’s baby was a stillborn. He said if it was a natural birth, once the baby takes its first breath, it cries and screams.

~snip
More at link:
‘It was not a live birth’: Second juror speaks about Brooke Skylar Richardson verdict

Sounds like the jury would have held Skylar responsible for not trying to get help after giving birth. If her baby had been born alive.

This is the second juror who clearly believes the State was wrong to bring charges against Skylar that couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[dizzychick]

Could someone tell me please, what does "suffered from an eating disorder" have to do with what Skylar Richardson did to her baby?

OMG the defense used it as an excuse for every crime she committed. It is sad and there is no doubt she lost a lot of weight but I have seen this at the law office we had many times, we called it " stress" . If the media or social media keeps up with her we shall see if this condition continues. I am not trying to make light of it but it was overused IMO. The lawyers tried to show she felt so unloved and disconnected all she could do to react is refuse to eat or eat then abuse laxatives. This is why I posted the Karen Carpenter Story, although it happened in the 80's it still applies today, Karen felt the same way as the defense was suggesting and even BSR was saying in the police station. Her mother was a very harsh parent in some ways, I heard her say " you have a bag of popcorn that you will never get to finish Skylar" that was just downright mean and did no one any good to hear at that moment. She feels unloved and unwanted. If that baby could talk I bet she would say the same thing..

 

[Seattle1]

SEPT 11, 2019

https://www.courttv.com/news/oh-v-richardson-patient-confidentiality-explained/

[...]

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In the case against Richardson, the mandatory reporting requirement for doctors fell within an exception to the doctor-patient privilege – most notable where a doctor has reasonable cause to suspect a child has suffered any physical injury. And that’s why the doctors have testified for the prosecution.

[...]

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Testimony of Dr. Andrew & medical assistant from April 26 visit. Rx for bc pills sent to pharmacy, but BSR refused pelvic exam and told med. asst. her last period was 2 weeks ago, told the Dr. last period was a month ago. Dr. decided pregnancy test was necessary. After positive results he cancelled the Rx but apparently the pharmacy had already filled it. Listen at 14:40. And again 45:50.

Thank you for posting that. I miss some stuff because real life happened. Something I missed that I did not see before is that she did not give medical consent for her mother to see anything. I guess that would be common for teenagers who are having sex that they don't want their parents to know .

And that during this time, her voicemail did not go through when the doctors tried to contact her, in other words she had turned off her voice mail? I don't even know how to do that. What, did she do that purposely.

Thank you for this link, I went to the next one with the second doctor for the second appointment that follows this one also.

I do believe she was lying as to her saying her periods had been up until the previous two weeks.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

IIRC, it was mentioned in one of the earlier MSM news articles that BSR agreed to give an interview once the trial was over.

IMO, she must have a deal with CBS because some are saying a ‘48 Hours’ film crew were at the house today.

JMO

Yes, it's been mentioned before that one of their folks was in the back. I saw her a few times on the live stream. I think this is like the Casey Anthony case, where they gave money to the family perhaps so they could fund the lawyers?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm sure some posters are just spouting what basic pop culture information they know, but if this case has truly piqued your interest about eating disorders and what absolute havoc they can cause in a family or for an individual (especially if you know anyone who might be at risk of developing one), please consider educating yourself beyond TV movies about Karen Carpenter, who died almost forty years ago. Eating disorders are still killing people, but fortunately there has been some progress in the field of treating them since 1983.

I cannot remember the original poster here who put up the Karen Carpenter movie, but I watched it. And I want to thank that original poster for doing such.

I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say that folks are spouting pop culture? I haven't heard that term in decades and I don't really understand what you are trying to say.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes, there has certainly been a lot of research since the eighties.
In fact my cousin developed anorexia in the late eighties when she was around 13 and I wish she had been treated earlier.
It was not until she was about 25 years old that she finally went to a year long program for treatment.
Her parents were in denial for years and did not take her to therapy when she was a teenager. Family dynamics play a large role.

She spent most of her life in treatment, but never weighed more than eighty pounds. She was 66 pounds at 5'8, at her lowest, when she was first hospitalized. Her legs were thinner than my arms.

She was constantly being hospitalized for low potassium levels. She had to be resuscitated many times. When she was around 30 years old, she had part of her jaw removed because of osteoporosis. She had countless other medical problems.

But she was a perfectionist and very intelligent, and managed to get two degrees and hold a job for almost ten years.

By the time she was 30, after having the metal plate put her in jaw to hold it together, she was not able to take care of herself anymore. Her speech was slurred due to brain damage, and it was difficult to have a conversation with her. It was too exhausting for her. She lived like that for eleven more years, until she finally died from heart failure at age 41.

We were all amazed that she lived that long.

It was no way to live, though.

If Skylar really does have an eating disorder, early intervention is the best hope for recovery. It's still not too late. Imo

What really shocked me, was that during the trial what they said her weight was now. And she has been with her parents the whole time to get treatment for the whole family. Such a shame and so sad.

 

[dizzychick]

Young defense lawyer ( sorry didn't catch his name) does not want to " get into why Skylar named the baby Annabelle" Hmmm was my theory correct? She was named after that movie? LOL

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Well, you'll have to go back and read but some believe her eating disorder may have caused her to to have a low-birth weight, or a still born baby.

However a specialist, I believe Dr Brown, reported that there was no indication that Skylar had health problems to the extent that her baby would be at risk, malnourished, or a small baby.

However some disagree and there is plenty of indication that she does have an eating disorder.

In fact, anorexia can cause brain damage and some experts believe that this is what contributed to Adam Lanza's tragic school shooting crime. Imo

She was 149 lb 11 days before she gave birth. And her normal weight before was around a hundred. I don't think she was anorexic during her pregnancy. But that's just my point of view and Others May differ.