OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

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True.
But, they are screaming it is a false confession and the police are treating her so unfairly.
I guess I just do not see as they are doing a horrible job.

That their interrogation techniques weren't/ aren't illegal isn't the point. The point is whether or not jurors will believe that Skylar's "confessions" were genuine & the truth, or if LE manipulated her into saying what they wanted to hear.

It makes a big difference the jurors already know the bones were NOT charred. And I very much doubt many, if any of them believe the ridiculous claim that a lighter used on a baby's foot resulted in a fire Skylar had to put out.

(I'm unsurprised trial watchers elsewhere believe her confession was coerced).
 
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I wonder if she has a history of compulsive and chronic lying.

“Am I going to jail?” is her biggest concern, not that she concealed a birth and buried a baby in the yard (and possibly killed the baby - I need to hear it all before concluding).
 
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I just have a feeling she followed the lead from the questioning and tried to answer, but even she did not recall exactly what happened. I find it impossible she burned the baby enough (if at all) to char bones.

Have you tried to start a campfire or a fire in a burn barrel? It takes bits of crumbled paper or small twigs to catch enough to begin to burn the bigger chunks of wood ... and it better be dry or it won't burn without super high heat involved from an extensive fire.

Surely she could not have practiced what to say, and her responses come too quickly for me to not believe she is attempting to give them what they ask or need, but I think she worked on adrenaline and not thought.

JMO
 
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That their interrogation techniques weren't/ aren't illegal isn't the point. The point is whether or not jurors will believe that Skylar's "confessions" were genuine & the truth, or if LE manipulated her into saying what they wanted to hear.

It makes a big difference the jurors already know the bones were NOT charred. And I very much doubt many, if any of them believe the ridiculous claim that a lighter used on a baby's foot resulted in a fire Skylar had to put out.

(I'm unsurprised trial watchers elsewhere believe her confession was coerced).
That their interrogation techniques weren't/ aren't illegal isn't the point. The point is whether or not jurors will believe that Skylar's "confessions" were genuine & the truth, or if LE manipulated her into saying what they wanted to hear.

It makes a big difference the jurors already know the bones were NOT charred. And I very much doubt many, if any of them believe the ridiculous claim that a lighter used on a baby's foot resulted in a fire Skylar had to put out.

(I'm unsurprised trial watchers elsewhere believe her confession was coerced).
To me, even though the bones are not burned, it doesn't mean the skin wasn't. It doesn't make a difference to me whether it was the bones or just the skin. It has no bearing on her killing the baby. The burning if it was or wasn't done was not done till after death.
 
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To me, even though the bones are not burned, it doesn't mean the skin wasn't. It doesn't make a difference to me whether it was the bones or just the skin. It has no bearing on her killing the baby. The burning if it was or wasn't done was not done till after death.

How would one know if it was done after death?
 
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I wonder if she is now (in interrogations) doubting that the baby was truly dead. This line of questioning would lead me to think maybe I was wrong, even tho I never felt a heartbeat, heard breathing, saw movement. But she held her for quite some time if I recall correctly, and a living baby would have had some reaction in that time.

I seriously doubt she purposely killed a living baby, the more I think through this. For me, it is burying the baby and keeping the birth/burial secret that is her crime.

ETA.... the only plausible explanation I can come up with if the baby was alive is that she "held her too tight" (against her own body perhaps, if we pay attention to her body signals during the questioning) and the baby was smothered. Tho she never says she heard any real signs of life after removing baby from toilet area.
 
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That their interrogation techniques weren't/ aren't illegal isn't the point. The point is whether or not jurors will believe that Skylar's "confessions" were genuine & the truth, or if LE manipulated her into saying what they wanted to hear.

It makes a big difference the jurors already know the bones were NOT charred. And I very much doubt many, if any of them believe the ridiculous claim that a lighter used on a baby's foot resulted in a fire Skylar had to put out.

(I'm unsurprised trial watchers elsewhere believe her confession was coerced).
But wasn’t lighter fluid mentioned by Skylar at one point? If she did use lighter fluid it could have flared up,

I will add MOO to this because I am at work and can’t go find the link.
 
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I wonder if she is now (in interrogations) doubting that the baby was truly dead. This line of questioning would lead me to think maybe I was wrong, even tho I never felt a heartbeat, heard breathing, saw movement. But she held her for quite some time if I recall correctly, and a living baby would have had some reaction in that time.

I seriously doubt she purposely killed a living baby, the more I think through this. For me, it is burying the baby and keeping the birth/burial secret that is her crime.

ETA.... the only plausible explanation I can come up with if the baby was alive is that she "held her too tight" (against her own body perhaps, if we pay attention to her body signals during the questioning) and the baby was smothered. Tho she never says she heard any real signs of life after removing baby from toilet area.

Skylar sounds so confused about everything being said to her and her responses don't seem coherent. IMO she was coerced into admitting to the false burning or fire tale when there is no evidence of it. This proves to me she was pushed into admitting to it since it never even happened. Then add holding Annabel's remains as ransom for Skylar to agree to their story is just more fuel to get what they want.
 
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How would one know if it was done after death?
Sorry, I think I misspoke. I do not think she burned the baby while it was still alive.
 
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I just have a feeling she followed the lead from the questioning and tried to answer, but even she did not recall exactly what happened. I find it impossible she burned the baby enough (if at all) to char bones.

Have you tried to start a campfire or a fire in a burn barrel? It takes bits of crumbled paper or small twigs to catch enough to begin to burn the bigger chunks of wood ... and it better be dry or it won't burning without super high heat involved from an extensive fire.

Surely she could not have practiced what to say, and her responses come too quickly for me to not believe she is attempting to give them what they ask or need, but I think she worked on adrenaline and not thought.

JMO

Yep. Anyone who has even started a fire in a fireplace knows what she "confessed" to about trying to burn her baby is flat out absurd.

(Way back, in a press conference, the State went so far as to say they hadn't ruled out the possibility the baby was still alive when Skylar set her on fire. (!!!!! )
 
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I wonder if she is now (in interrogations) doubting that the baby was truly dead. This line of questioning would lead me to think maybe I was wrong, even tho I never felt a heartbeat, heard breathing, saw movement. But she held her for quite some time if I recall correctly, and a living baby would have had some reaction in that time.

I seriously doubt she purposely killed a living baby, the more I think through this. For me, it is burying the baby and keeping the birth/burial secret that is her crime.

ETA.... the only plausible explanation I can come up with if the baby was alive is that she "held her too tight" (against her own body perhaps, if we pay attention to her body signals during the questioning) and the baby was smothered. Tho she never says she heard any real signs of life after removing baby from toilet area.
Agree with this... it is not plausible that she could have lit the baby on fire by taking a lighter to the baby's foot. I think that in her afterthought, she is in shock and traumatized by the situation, so she is saying "maybe I held her too tight..."
 
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So, she named her baby by July 20, sadly for her, BEFORE she had an attorney.

And... really did put flowers on her baby's grave that night.
 
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autopsy/ if there is evidence in the lungs of breathing in fire/smoke
however, with the soft tissue of lungs decomposed I am not sure if it could be determined
 
  • #296
So, she named her baby by July 20, sadly for her, BEFORE she had an attorney.

And... really did put flowers on her baby's grave that night.
She should have a name for her in the first interview. Not after she was caught.
 
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RICHARDSON: Faine joins Carter in interview room. Carter tells Skylar that if she wants to talk to her parents, she has to tell them why she's going to jail - "we haven't told them anything ... but you know how the news is." @WCPO
11:33am
Evan Millward on Twitter
 
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Tapes: Detective carter comes back in room, "I think you already know you’re not going home. My question for you is, do you want to talk to your parents here before you go?" #skylarrichardson @dayton247now
11:33am

Molly Reed on Twitter
 
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The detectives are giving Skyler the option of whether she wants to see her parents before she is taken into custody. Saying she’ll see a judge the next day


#BrookeSkylarRichardson #OHvRichardson #CourtTV #SkylarRichardson
11:35am

Chanley Shá Painter on Twitter
 
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To me, even though the bones are not burned, it doesn't mean the skin wasn't. It doesn't make a difference to me whether it was the bones or just the skin. It has no bearing on her killing the baby. The burning if it was or wasn't done was not done till after death.

The jury can only can only convict based on the evidence infront of them. There was no skin left, so nobody can say whether or not it was burned.

I wonder if she is now (in interrogations) doubting that the baby was truly dead. This line of questioning would lead me to think maybe I was wrong, even tho I never felt a heartbeat, heard breathing, saw movement. But she held her for quite some time if I recall correctly, and a living baby would have had some reaction in that time.

I seriously doubt she purposely killed a living baby, the more I think through this. For me, it is burying the baby and keeping the birth/burial secret that is her crime.

ETA.... the only plausible explanation I can come up with if the baby was alive is that she "held her too tight" (against her own body perhaps, if we pay attention to her body signals during the questioning) and the baby was smothered. Tho she never says she heard any real signs of life after removing baby from toilet area.

I agree. I think it's possible that baby was born alive but unresponsive and she thought it was deceased. I also think it is possible that baby was stillborn. I even think it's possible that baby was born alive and died shortly afterwards due to her inaction and she may have known this and panicked.

There are so many possibilities which (IMO) makes it impossible to ever know for sure what actually happened. Which is why, if I was on this jury, there would be no way I would be returning a guilty verdict. Not in a month of Sundays.

ETA: I would not find her guilty of murder. Abuse of a corpse is a possibility but IMO this is the most she will be found guilty of.
 
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