OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

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Witness Faine: Defense attorney Rittgers now questioning Faine on where in the police report and why it's not documented that Skylar denied burning the baby 17 times. #skylarrichardson @dayton247now
12:02pm

Molly Reed on Twitter
 
  • #322
Any puncture wound to the skull happened after the baby died.

Where she was buried appeared to me to be filled with plant growth .. ground cover type that may have had enough debris in the ground to puncture. (After burial)
 
  • #323
I am right there with you so far.

It's so tough isn't it. I don't think she is guilty of murder but I do wish that she had done this all differently. There are probably myriad reasons why she couldn't/didn't and we could discuss them all day but it doesn't change the fact that this is all just an absolute tragedy. The more I listen, the more I am just heartsick. Poor baby Annabelle, I really wish this had been different for her.
 
  • #324
On Cross: when asked whether he saw evidence of burning at the scene, he deferred to other investigators.


Rittgers: “You did send off samples to the fire marshal didn’t you??”


#BrookeSkylarRichardson #OHvRichardson #CourtTV #SkylarRichardson

12:05pm

Chanley Shá Painter on Twitter
 
  • #325
Just jumping in with a BIG thank you to osu (and jewels53 and everyone else) for posting updates, tweets, highlights... Everything! Much appreciated! :)
 
  • #326
Jurors will see right thru this detective's shuckin' and jivin'. I'm alternating between 2nd hand embarrassment for him and anger at his obfuscation.
 
  • #327
And now the detective said that laugh was the detectives in shock. This is getting to be absurd. Why is he even testifying if he can't remember anything?
 
  • #328
I think it's possible that baby was born alive but unresponsive and she thought it was deceased. I also think it is possible that baby was stillborn.

I even think it's possible that baby was born alive and died shortly afterwards due to her inaction and she may have known this and panicked.

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I think it's possible the baby was born alive, but that Skylar believed she was stillborn.

From what we've seen of her mother, I'd guess that Skylar is conditioned to feel guilt, even when she is blameless (and whatever the unknowable truth of what actually happened, she was not blameless here).

It's meaningful, imo, that Skylar chose to bury her baby, and to put flowers on her grave, rather than discarding her in the trash. It's also meaningful that LE knew Skylar felt guilty about not giving her baby a proper burial---which is why they chose exactly that vulnerability to elicit a "confession."

That Skylar didn't want the baby before she gave birth doesn't mean that she didn't want the baby after she was born. I know my DS wasn't 100% real-real to me until I could SEE and hold him. Even if Skylar didn't change her mind, or was more in shock or whatever else, if she really hadn't decided what to do when the baby came, and believed at the time her baby was stillborn, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of her emotions that night was guilt. That she believed the baby wasn't alive because of what she hadn't done--gone back to the DR, told her mother...

IMO, early in the interview she is trying to figure out how her baby died, not confessing.

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Det. Carter: So, you, you think you squeezed her too hard. So, she…I, I feel like, when you say that, maybe you thought she was breathing before and you didn’t mean to. I don’t think you meant to. But you squeezed her too hard? Okay. How long do you think you were squeezing her?”

Skylar: “A bit…a little bit.”

Det Carter: “What makes you think you squeezed her too hard? Like, what makes you think that looking back now? Not then, but looking back now?”

Skylar: Inaudible

Det. Carter: “Okay. Maybe that’s when, when she died?”

Skylar: “Maybe.

Det. Carter: “Okay. Do you think maybe she could have in the toilet or…?”

Skylar: Yeah, maybe, because I was spotting…

Det. Carter: “Yeah.”

Skylar: “April.”

Det. Carter: “Okay.”

Skylar: “Early April I was spotting.”
 
  • #329
She never searched the internet for how to get rid of her baby.
 
  • #330
No searches on how to get rid of a baby were found on any device! Did I hear that answer from Faine correctly?

ETA ... thanks Gardenista, I see you answered already, before I even finished posting.

Not murder by any stretch for me
 
  • #331
I think it's possible the baby was born alive, but that Skylar believed she was stillborn.

From what we've seen of her mother, I'd guess that Skylar is conditioned to feel guilt, even when she is blameless (and whatever the unknowable truth of what actually happened, she was not blameless here).

It's meaningful, imo, that Skylar chose to bury her baby, and to put flowers on her grave, rather than discarding her in the trash. It's also meaningful that LE knew Skylar felt guilty about not giving her baby a proper burial---which is why they chose exactly that vulnerability to elicit a "confession."

That Skylar didn't want the baby before she gave birth doesn't mean that she didn't want the baby after she was born. I know my DS wasn't 100% real-real to me until I could SEE and hold him. Even if Skylar didn't change her mind, or was more in shock or whatever else, if she really hadn't decided what to do when the baby came, and believed at the time her baby was stillborn, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of her emotions that night was guilt. That she believed the baby wasn't alive because of what she hadn't done--gone back to the DR, told her mother...

IMO, early in the interview she is trying to figure out how her baby died, not confessing.

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Det. Carter: So, you, you think you squeezed her too hard. So, she…I, I feel like, when you say that, maybe you thought she was breathing before and you didn’t mean to. I don’t think you meant to. But you squeezed her too hard? Okay. How long do you think you were squeezing her?”

Skylar: “A bit…a little bit.”

Det Carter: “What makes you think you squeezed her too hard? Like, what makes you think that looking back now? Not then, but looking back now?”

Skylar: Inaudible

Det. Carter: “Okay. Maybe that’s when, when she died?”

Skylar: “Maybe.

Det. Carter: “Okay. Do you think maybe she could have in the toilet or…?”

Skylar: Yeah, maybe, because I was spotting…

Det. Carter: “Yeah.”

Skylar: “April.”

Det. Carter: “Okay.”

Skylar: “Early April I was spotting.”

I am in complete agreement with you. Great post, thank you for the transcript.

I've just had a chance to dip into the live coverage about 3 seconds before they took a break for lunch! Was that Det. Faine testifying? I'll have to catch up later. Hard to follow in real time due to time differences.
 
  • #332
Does the verdict have to be unanimous?
 
  • #333
No searches on how to get rid of a baby were found on any device! Did I hear that answer from Faine correctly?

ETA ... thanks Gardenista, I see you answered already, before I even finished posting.

Not murder by any stretch for me

This makes it perfectly clear that she was just making stuff up to go along with what they were saying.
 
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Here’s a couple of more articles from when Dr Andrew testified that he gave BSR an ultrasound in his office.

BBM


"She said, 'I can’t have a baby. I’m going to college in September,'” Dr. Andrew testified.

Dr. Andrew said he showed Richardson an ultrasound and the baby’s heart was beating. He discussed options with Richardson and told her she needed to start prenatal care immediately.

Doctor testifies about Skylar Richardson's reaction to pregnancy


Andrew said he did an ultrasound to confirm she was pregnant. He showed her heartbeat because it’s helpful to do this with a patient who is having trouble accepting that they are pregnant, he said. Andrew said the ultrasound, although not formal or extensive, did not show anything abnormal.

Timeline: What happened before, after Carlisle newborn's death

Thanks. I thought someone indicated that's contrary to what he testified to. So this confirms he did make that statement on the stand. For whatever it's worth.
 
  • #336
I think it's possible the baby was born alive, but that Skylar believed she was stillborn.

From what we've seen of her mother, I'd guess that Skylar is conditioned to feel guilt, even when she is blameless (and whatever the unknowable truth of what actually happened, she was not blameless here).

It's meaningful, imo, that Skylar chose to bury her baby, and to put flowers on her grave, rather than discarding her in the trash. It's also meaningful that LE knew Skylar felt guilty about not giving her baby a proper burial---which is why they chose exactly that vulnerability to elicit a "confession."

That Skylar didn't want the baby before she gave birth doesn't mean that she didn't want the baby after she was born. I know my DS wasn't 100% real-real to me until I could SEE and hold him. Even if Skylar didn't change her mind, or was more in shock or whatever else, if she really hadn't decided what to do when the baby came, and believed at the time her baby was stillborn, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of her emotions that night was guilt. That she believed the baby wasn't alive because of what she hadn't done--gone back to the DR, told her mother...

IMO, early in the interview she is trying to figure out how her baby died, not confessing.

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Det. Carter: So, you, you think you squeezed her too hard. So, she…I, I feel like, when you say that, maybe you thought she was breathing before and you didn’t mean to. I don’t think you meant to. But you squeezed her too hard? Okay. How long do you think you were squeezing her?”

Skylar: “A bit…a little bit.”

Det Carter: “What makes you think you squeezed her too hard? Like, what makes you think that looking back now? Not then, but looking back now?”

Skylar: Inaudible

Det. Carter: “Okay. Maybe that’s when, when she died?”

Skylar: “Maybe.

Det. Carter: “Okay. Do you think maybe she could have in the toilet or…?”

Skylar: Yeah, maybe, because I was spotting…

Det. Carter: “Yeah.”

Skylar: “April.”

Det. Carter: “Okay.”

Skylar: “Early April I was spotting.”

Bull about her spotting.

She KNEW she was pregnant
 
  • #337
Opening statements can't be used as evidence per the judge.

True. But if actual clips of interview were played we know they exist.
 
  • #338
Not sure, but believe the mother is on the prosecution witness list. I've been waiting to see what this woman is really all about. You would think the defense would be calling her to testify not the other way around?

She works well for the state's case. She establishes that Skylar would rather see her baby dead than deal with the wrath of that woman.
 
  • #339
Witness Faine: Defense attorney Rittgers now questioning Faine on where in the police report and why it's not documented that Skylar denied burning the baby 17 times. #skylarrichardson @dayton247now
12:02pm

Molly Reed on Twitter

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Here are many of those 17 denials....
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Det. Carter: “Yeah? Tell me about the fire.”

Skylar: “What fire?”

Det. Carter: “Well, there’s some evidence to show that there was some, some burning on her.”

Skylar: “Just on her? I promise on anything; I didn’t burn her. My dad has lots of bonfires but I didn’t burn her.”

Det. Carter: “Well, there’s some, some charring and stuff on some of her bones, so…”

Skylar: “I didn’t burn her.”

Det. Carter: “Are you sure?”

Skylar: “I swear on anything.”

Det. Carter repeats the question.

Skylar: “That, that I am sure of. That I’m sure, I’m sure of.”

Det. Carter: “You didn’t, like, was there, did you, did you, did you burn anything around her? Did you try to, like, maybe, like melt the dirt or anything?”

Skylar: “No.”

Det. Carter: “Was there any reason for…”

Skylar: “No.”

Det. Carter: “Any of that?”

Skylar: “No.”

Skylar: “No and I did nothing with fire. Nothing.”

Det. Carter: “Okay.”

Lt. Faine: “Is, is it possible, originally, you put her in the fire pit before you…”

Skylar: “No.”

Lt. Faine: “…I don’t mean with a lit fire putting her in a fire pit.”

Skylar: “No.”

Det. Carter: “…no microwaves, no ovens…”

Skylar: “No.

Det Carter: “No, nothing like…”

Skylar: “No.”

...
 
  • #340
I know pretty convenient it happened in the middle of the night what if it would have happened in the daytime. she lucked out on that one. did anyone hear of the puncture wound on the skull when she was talking about the autopsy. could she have tried to induce labor or break her water just a thought.

I was wondering about what would've happened if she went into labor during the day. But thinking of other cases they just left the body in a toilet and went on dancing or whatever. It's odd. I can't imagine giving birth like that. It seems impossible to just drop a baby into a toilet and go dance. What about the pain? The blood? The placenta? The sweating? All the possible complications to the mother? How the hell can it happen that fast all the time? And no noise with any of them? Or emergencies that arise with the mom?

I mean we are talking about a level of fear of being found out that seems to override the need to moan and cuss or whatever. And I know not everyone carries on loudly during birth but not everyone is silent either. Yet these young women universally have silent births.

Maybe we just don't hear of the cases where the girl suddenly goes into labor while out to dinner and 911 is called and the jig is up.
 
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