OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

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Witness White: Kraft now questioning about umbilical cord being attached to placenta. Skylar said "I don't know it might have been" in the tapes. Kraft says it doesn't line up with White's report. #SkylarRichardson @dayton247now

Molly Reed on Twitter

 

[stmarysmead]

I agree 100%, if you have just learned that your daughter has become sexually active I think these things are totally appropriate to say.

If you already suspect that your daughter is pregnant though... coupled with daughter suspecting (*knows*) that she is pregnant, then these comments would not be taken as supportive.

In that particular context, I agree with Mariposa, These are not the words of a parent telling a teenaged daughter that she would be supportive of an unplanned pregnancy.

I feel like this may have been a veiled message - It can go on my insurance, but you need to take care of this. No college. Get a job. No joke. You will be responsible. Your life will be over.

Take care of this.

And she did.

These two have a very sick relationship, I agree. But part of that sickness is that I think Mom believes anything her daughter tells her...AS LONG AS...it’s what she wants to hear.

And her daughter knows this.

Mom WANTS to believe that big belly is all about food...Skylar tells her it is...so it is.

Mom wants to believe the Drs appointment is about birth control. Skylar tells her it is...so it is.

I think some of those Dr calls afterward had to be on the home phone but...no suspicions. Because her perfect daughter told her what she wanted to hear.

The rogue email did not cause Mom to follow up with the Dr. No...she was reassured by her teenager with the big belly.

Talk about denial. I dont think she knew then. Because she wanted to believe that she, the perfect Mother has a perfect daughter.

And they have fully supported her. Would the effect on their family, the loss of social standing, reputation, scorn...been ANYTHING like this...from having a grandchild born out of wedlock....compared to born, maybe killed, and buried in the back yard?

Brooke Skylar Richardson Stillborn Baby Murder Trial - Teen Charged With Killing Infant

 

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Per CourtTV
Dr White:
“Teenagers do tend to lie so I do take that into account for my report”

 

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Witness White: Kraft: Asks after everything discussed "we now no fundal height, we have a new conception date, don't have really white baby... you're still standing by your diagnosis that this baby had IUGR and was still born?" White: "Yes." #SkylarRichardson @dayton247now

Molly Reed on Twitter

 

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Witness White: Prosecution done questioning. Defense back up asking about umbilical cord and if it matters if cord was attached to placenta or not. White says no. Rittgers "What matters is she didn't have to cut the cord."

Molly Reed on Twitter

 

[arrogantcat]

I agree with you about the text messages. I could see the desperation in Skylar’s voice trying to make her mom happy with the lost weight thing. Very telling, especially if one has a past with a mom much like this.

I’m honestly surprised more people don’t see it this way. The post-childbirth text messages are part of her attempt to hide what has happened. If she’s scared enough of her mom to labour alone in silence and bury her baby by herself in the back yard, she’s hardly going to send open and honest messages about how she feels about it all to her the next day.

Saying “my tummy is smaller and I’m feeling happy” feels like her trying to throw her mom of the scent of anything. “Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!”

 

[Kadoober]

Whatever loss of social standing, prestige, etc might have befallen them if their


These two have a very sick relationship, I agree. But part of that sickness is that I think Mom believes anything her daughter tells her...AS LONG AS...it’s what she wants to hear.

And her daughter knows this.

Mom WANTS to believe that big belly is all about food...Skylar tells her it is...so it is.

Mom wants to believe the Drs appointment is about birth control. Skylar tells her it is...so it is.

I think some of those Dr calls afterward had to be on the home phone but...no suspicions. Because her perfect daughter told her what she wanted to hear.

The rogue email did not cause Mom to follow up with the Dr. No...she was reassured by her teenager with the big belly.

Talk about denial. I dont think she knew then. Because she wanted to believe that she, the perfect Mother has a perfect daughter.

That's a good point, re: being convinced by BSR that the email was a mistake.
The reason I think she at least suspected going in to the Dr. appointment was that she mentioned her 'tummy', and that even her Dad had commented on it. Why would that be something to be brought up at a routine pelvic exam to get BC?

I think she did think BSR was pregnant pre-appointment. And really, if it was me, and my daughter came skipping out of there with a script, I would probably have been convinced she wasn't.

But that email? Yeah. I've got nothing for that.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I’m honestly surprised more people don’t see it this way. The post-childbirth text messages are part of her attempt to hide what has happened. If she’s scared enough of her mom to labour alone in silence and bury her baby by herself in the back yard, she’s hardly going to send open and honest messages about how she feels about it all to her the next day.

Saying “my tummy is smaller and I’m feeling happy” feels like her trying to throw her mom of the scent of anything. “Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!”

I can see it this way also. Ditto with the message to Brandon; just because she says she is "so happy" doesn't at all mean she feels so happy. Has no-one ever told a loved one that everything is fine, you feel great, the world is wonderful when you're actually dying inside? I most definitely have.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I swear I read this somewhere else when I was talking to a friend about a girl we went to school with. I couldn't find find the original article I googled but here is an article that is interesting.
Denial of pregnancy – a literature review and discussion of ethical and legal issues

@gitana1 , it was referenced in the "Prom Moms" article as a footnote, and might be found here:

Michelle Oberman, Mother's (sic) Who Kill: Coming To Terms With Modern American Infanticide, 34 AM. CRIM. L. REV. 1, 89 (1996).

The most profound similarities arising from modern neonaticide cases involve the patterned circumstances that lead to the infants' deaths .... [The women] spent hours alone, most often on the toilet, often while others were present in their homes. At some point during these hours, they realized that they were in labor. They endured the full course of labor and delivery without making a noise. After delivering the baby, the women's actions range from exhaustion to utter panic. Many of the women temporarily lost consciousness, leaving the baby to drown in the toilet. Others left the baby in the water while they frantically cleaned the messy remains of the delivery from the floors and walls of the bathroom. Still others immediately pulled the baby from the toilet and actively contended with their situations. In several cases, the women threw their babies out of bathroom windows. More commonly, the women suffocated or strangled the babies in order to prevent them from crying out. A few of the women silenced the baby with blows to its head or stab wounds inflicted with scissors.

 

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#SkylarRichardson's dad, Scott, testified in her murder trial today. During his testimony one of Skylar's defense attorneys asked, "What's the biggest regret in your life, Scott?"

"Not having an attorney for the second interrogation."

John Bedell on Twitter

 

[AllyBeeUK]

That's a good point, re: being convinced by BSR that the email was a mistake.
The reason I think she at least suspected going in to the Dr. appointment was that she mentioned her 'tummy', and that even her Dad had commented on it. Why would that be something to be brought up at a routine pelvic exam to get BC?

I think she did think BSR was pregnant pre-appointment. And really, if it was me, and my daughter came skipping out of there with a script, I would probably have been convinced she wasn't.

But that email? Yeah. I've got nothing for that.

I gave her mum the benefit of the doubt for a long time but now I'm absolutely sure she knew. How could she not? I think she knew and just chose to ignore it.

 

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Charlie M. Rittgers also asked Scott Richardson at one point, "What if you could tell the jury one thing about Skylar before you get off the stand? What would it be?"

Scott: "She would never hurt another living being -- let alone a baby."

John Bedell on Twitter

 

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On Re-direct Dr. White: its not medically plausible for a baby to gurgle – he didn’t just discredit that statement by Skylar. He says the detectives brought the word up first.

Chanley Shá Painter on Twitter

 

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Defense on Re-Direct: If it isn’t possible to light a baby on fire would you discredit that fact?


Objection.


#Sustained.

Chanley Shá Painter on Twitter

 

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Witness White: Knowing date of conception is the most reliable way of coming up with due date. Says he arrived at 39 weeks pregnant based off Trey Johnson saying last week of August or first week of July. #SkylarRichardson

Molly Reed on Twitter

 

[mike balto]

just because she may have tried to light the baby on Fire doesn't mean she actually lit it on fire.

Where is it written that if any witness repeats what investigator says that it's prima facie coercion?

Sometimes people Echo one another if they agree with one another.

 

[ReillyElizabeth]

I can see it this way also. Ditto with the message to Brandon; just because she says she is "so happy" doesn't at all mean she feels so happy. Has no-one ever told a loved one that everything is fine, you feel great, the world is wonderful when you're actually dying inside? I most definitely have.

Yeah, I guess this makes sense to me too. I had not really thought about it that way.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Did he just say I needed to determine how Annabelle died? I thought he was trying to say she was stillborn

 

[Tssiemer]

Look how different she looks here.

 

[Mariposa]

I’m honestly surprised more people don’t see it this way. The post-childbirth text messages are part of her attempt to hide what has happened. If she’s scared enough of her mom to labour alone in silence and bury her baby by herself in the back yard, she’s hardly going to send open and honest messages about how she feels about it all to her the next day.

Saying “my tummy is smaller and I’m feeling happy” feels like her trying to throw her mom of the scent of anything. “Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!”

And also, she could have genuinely felt extreme relief that the birth happened and was behind her. Feeling that way and having a stillbirth would not be two incompatible things given the circumstances IMO. Apart from that, after people get through excruciatingly physical painful situations such as a completely unmedicated birth there can be a sense of euphoria. That could also play a role in the next-day texts. I understand it is extremely troubling to some that she could feel that way however.