OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Dudly]

I have a few questions about the timeline...It states the time of death is a little after 8am but the first 911 call went out before that time. Is it a mistake in websleuths or is it info put on death certificates?

Someone also looked at the ownership of each mobile home. Did anyone note the make and model of the homes?

The times of deaths listed are when they were declared dead at the scene. The Medical Examiners sh0uld have a much more accurate time of death but it has not been made public...

 

[Merrygirl]

I have a few questions about the timeline...It states the time of death is a little after 8am but the first 911 call went out before that time. Is it a mistake in websleuths or is it info put on death certificates?

Someone also looked at the ownership of each mobile home. Did anyone note the make and model of the homes?

‘IMO those TODs are when the victims were 1st viewed by LE & witnesses. It is typically designated that way until a more substantial finding of actual time of death is established formally. An actual TOD is established using multiple sources of evidence like any witnessed accounts, internal body temperature, lividity of blood pooling, ambient environmental temperatures, presence or absence of rigor, etc. It was redacted in the autopsy findings so we won’t learn that info until the trials.

I too am interested in the make/model of the homes. If we knew this info perhaps we could find similar floor plans on Google to help us visualize our theories.

 

[Puzzles8]

I have a few questions about the timeline...It states the time of death is a little after 8am but the first 911 call went out before that time. Is it a mistake in websleuths or is it info put on death certificates?

Someone also looked at the ownership of each mobile home. Did anyone note the make and model of the homes?

I think the estimated time of death might be the time of LE's arrival at the crime scenes. I don't know what information is on the death certificates. I'm not sure that has been officially disclosed yet or not.

I don't think I've ever seen any information regarding the specific models or ownership of the trailers.

Just curious, why are you seeking specific information about the trailers? How might this be related to the crimes? TIA

 

[Puzzles8]

Ah, but you can print copies of photos from Fb as I print photos of my granddaughters from Fb all the time. I just click on the photo, save it as .jpg, send it online to any online photoshop and it comes out at either Walmart or CVS as a nice photo suitable for framing. Also, the photo (we assume only 1) of JW holding the guns found on HR’s page is only one but it’s possible there are others found on a cell phone or computer but JW may have taken several but only sent 1. Even if these may not be the actual weapons (or maybe they are) these photos would be EVIDENCE to show threat or intimidation. I‘M not trying to be difficult but I try to look at things from every angle to determine the usefulness and how it could be used/discredited in court.

Whether these are actual photos of the guns used in the crime or not, may or may not be relevant.

IMO, the relevant part is the threat.

 

[Cool Cats]

‘IMO those TODs are when the victims were 1st viewed by LE & witnesses. It is typically designated that way until a more substantial finding of actual time of death is established formally. An actual TOD is established using multiple sources of evidence like any witnessed accounts, internal body temperature, lividity of blood pooling, ambient environmental temperatures, presence or absence of rigor, etc. It was redacted in the autopsy findings so we won’t learn that info until the trials.

I too am interested in the make/model of the homes. If we knew this info perhaps we could find similar floor plans on Google to help us visualize our theories.

The time of death is only listed when the coroner is right there confirming the death. For record purposes the coroner lists the time that he firsts confirms the death.

Coroner confirms at 5:10 pm that a body is deceased so coroner puts 5:10 on record. Coroner then can do an autopsy to determine exact or closer to exact time of death.

Like the coroner found out CR was more decomposed, and that may or may not affect his time of death which is important. It helps establish how they started that night. If he was killed first then Kenny was last.

..2 Cents...

 

[Puzzles8]

The time of death is only listed when the coroner is right there confirming the death. For record purposes the coroner lists the time that he firsts confirms the death.

Coroner confirms at 5:10 pm that a body is deceased so coroner puts 5:10 on record. Coroner then can do an autopsy to determine exact or closer to exact time of death.

Like the coroner found out CR was more decomposed, and that may or may not affect his time of death which is important. It helps establish how they started that night. If he was killed first then Kenny was last.

..2 Cents...

We really have no idea of the sequence of events that night. One question I'd like to know is what time were the victims last seen alive/been in contact?

What time did it start and what time and where did it end?

What part went to plan, what part did not?

So many questions...

 

[Loomis124]

Ah, but you can print copies of photos from Fb as I print photos of my granddaughters from Fb all the time. I just click on the photo, save it as .jpg, send it online to any online photoshop and it comes out at either Walmart or CVS as a nice photo suitable for framing. Also, the photo (we assume only 1) of JW holding the guns found on HR’s page is only one but it’s possible there are others found on a cell phone or computer but JW may have taken several but only sent 1. Even if these may not be the actual weapons (or maybe they are) these photos would be EVIDENCE to show threat or intimidation. I‘M not trying to be difficult but I try to look at things from every angle to determine the usefulness and how it could be used/discredited in court.

Not a problem at all, MG.

 

[Loomis124]

Whether these are actual photos of the guns used in the crime or not, may or may not be relevant.

IMO, the relevant part is the threat.

I have never seen the FB photo of the gun. Is it still up? TY

 

[Loomis124]

The times of deaths listed are when they were declared dead at the scene. The Medical Examiners sh0uld have a much more accurate time of death but it has not been made public...

Pike County Probate Court - Record Search

The PC Probate court site gives "time of Injury" as approx 0807 for CRSR and approx 0817 for CRJR on their death certificates. Manner of Death states "pending investigation." I didn't look up the others.

One mobile home listed in CRSR's Schedule of Assets. Fortune Mobile Home Serial Number FHIN101392R, appraised at $3,360. Only detail listed.

Sorry, Dudly. Meant for this to go to poster @StrangeOne

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I have never seen the FB photo of the gun. Is it still up? TY

Loomis
Type in HannaMayRhoden@redneckgirl97 Instagram
Look at all her photos

 

[Cool Cats]

We really have no idea of the sequence of events that night. One question I'd like to know is what time were the victims last seen alive/been in contact?

What time did it start and what time and where did it end?

What part went to plan, what part did not?

So many questions...

Doesn't sound like it "went to plan" with such a disorganized crime scene at Seniors. I mean the other ones were more according to plan except Dana being out of bed, in my opinion, which I won't go into since it's been discussed so many times.

April 21st, 2016:

CRob and possibly a cousin saw FR and HG at 10:00 pm.

Co- workers saw Dana working where she left at 11:30 pm.

Dana was on facebook between midnight and 1:00am (April 22nd) unless it was a Wagner on her computer skewing the timeline.

Kendra saw/ communicated with HR that afternoon or evening before she went to her last minute over night babysitting job.

Tony Rhoden was talking on the phone to Chris Senior about fixing Dana's faucet, something they were going to do the next day.

If Chris Jr was at school then alot of people saw him that day.

If Kenny was at work then alot of people saw him that day as well.

 

[Loomis124]

Ah, but you can print copies of photos from Fb as I print photos of my granddaughters from Fb all the time. I just click on the photo, save it as .jpg, send it online to any online photoshop and it comes out at either Walmart or CVS as a nice photo suitable for framing. Also, the photo (we assume only 1) of JW holding the guns found on HR’s page is only one but it’s possible there are others found on a cell phone or computer but JW may have taken several but only sent 1. Even if these may not be the actual weapons (or maybe they are) these photos would be EVIDENCE to show threat or intimidation. I‘M not trying to be difficult but I try to look at things from every angle to determine the usefulness and how it could be used/discredited in court.

I know that can be done. I do it also. It is just my opinion that this Discovery follows suit in all the other Discovery documents, and since these are legal documents, I just don't see the State being that misleading. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Loomis
Type in HannaMayRhoden@redneckgirl97 Instagram
Look at all her photos

It doesn't come up for me. I just get tons of Hannah Rhodens who are not the victim. Thanks.

 

[Loomis124]

Doesn't sound like it "went to plan" with such a disorganized crime scene at Seniors. I mean the other ones were more according to plan except Dana being out of bed, in my opinion, which I won't go into since it's been discussed so many times.

April 21st, 2016:

CRob and possibly a cousin saw FR and HG at 10:00 pm.

Co- workers saw Dana working where she left at 11:30 pm.

Dana was on facebook between midnight and 1:00am (April 22nd) unless it was a Wagner on her computer skewing the timeline.

Kendra saw/ communicated with HR that afternoon or evening before she went to her last minute over night babysitting job.

Tony Rhoden was talking on the phone to Chris Senior about fixing Dana's faucet, something they were going to do the next day.

If Chris Jr was at school then alot of people saw him that day.

If Kenny was at work then alot of people saw him that day as well.

With all due respect, CC, we have no proof of any of this. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

With all due respect, CC, we have no proof of any of this. JMO

All of them told this to MSM.

 

[StrangeOne]

‘IMO those TODs are when the victims were 1st viewed by LE & witnesses. It is typically designated that way until a more substantial finding of actual time of death is established formally. An actual TOD is established using multiple sources of evidence like any witnessed accounts, internal body temperature, lividity of blood pooling, ambient environmental temperatures, presence or absence of rigor, etc. It was redacted in the autopsy findings so we won’t learn that info until the trials.

I too am interested in the make/model of the homes. If we knew this info perhaps we could find similar floor plans on Google to help us visualize our theories.

That's why wanted the models

The time of death is only listed when the coroner is right there confirming the death. For record purposes the coroner lists the time that he firsts confirms the death.

Coroner confirms at 5:10 pm that a body is deceased so coroner puts 5:10 on record. Coroner then can do an autopsy to determine exact or closer to exact time of death.

Like the coroner found out CR was more decomposed, and that may or may not affect his time of death which is important. It helps establish how they started that night. If he was killed first then Kenny was last.

..2 Cents...

Thank you everyone for answering

 

[Johnny B Bad]

All of them told this to MSM.

Cory Holden was with Hanna May until 11:00pm, so if he was there did he wittiness JW picking up SW?

 

[Cool Cats]

Cory Holden was with Hanna May until 11:00pm, so if he was there did he wittiness JW picking up SW?

I didn't know CH was at Dana's house that night.

HR dropped S off to Jake's on Friday April 15 but Jake said he picked her up April 21st and missed it by hours, if true, CH probably saw him which would only make Jake more angry for later. Could be S came home before April 21, both versions could be true. (Like maybe she came home on April 16, 17, 18 etc....)

Pike County: Death in the foothills
CHRIS GRAVES | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER
Updated 2:42 p.m. EST Nov. 13, 2018

Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly reported when Hanna Rhoden's daughter went to stay with her father, Jake Wagner. Rhoden dropped her daughter off on Friday, April 15, 2016.

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'
Hanna Rhoden and Wagner shared custody of Sophia, who was supposed to be with her mom that fateful Thursday evening, he said. But Wagner picked her up a day earlier than normal: "I reckon we missed it by just hours."

 

[Johnny B Bad]

That's why wanted the models



Thank you everyone for answering

Big Chris mobile home looks to be from 1988 to 1991 Dana’s mobile home is around 1996 to 1999 and Frankie mobile home is around 2001 to 2003

 

[StrangeOne]

It doesn't come up for me. I just get tons of Hannah Rhodens who are not the victim. Thanks.

There was so much life to be had in those young people. SW will not have HR with her when she gets married or through the pit falls in life. All of the little children left to live without the love of their parents. I hope the Ws get the harshest sentence they can.
Something funny though when I looked up up HRs instagram then went to google images to view them all my Websleuth user pic is in there which gives me pause.