GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

[Cool Cats]

Snipped by me...
Billy and his co-defendants isolating EW from her family during the time she resided with them, at one point threatening to kill her family if they came around.

That poor girl, how terrifying. She's led to believe by her church and pastor (who was quite vocal about it) that the W's were such good Christians falsely accused about so much. She obviously fell in love, married, moved away from her home to then be basically held in a prison of sorts, at least emotionally, if not physically too. She had to deal with death threats and lack of freedoms I'm sure, since she was spied upon...just like HR. My heart goes out to her, she married into a dream and woke up in a living nightmare. AJMO

And the Wagners were upset that Jake's child started calling her "mom."

Only grandma gets to be mom.

 

[sunshineray]

And the Wagners were upset that Jake's child started calling her "mom."

Only grandma gets to be mom.

That too...can you imagine...the poison heart that would take that stance?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

In any other state, the Wagners would face charges for trying to interfere, threatening and bribing witnesses. witness tampering.

That's illegal! Why was FW not arrested if she was involved?

2006 Ohio Revised Code - 2921.04. Intimidation of attorney, victim or witness in criminal case.

She involved now, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

That too...can you imagine...the poison heart that would take that stance?

No.

Now we are starting to see what DeWine meant about seeing how "bizarre" these peoples' actions are as the "case unfolds."

The grandma wants to be the mom not a grandma.

Keeping her grandchild away from TC so she can say TC abandoned him.

Always doing everything together and making daughter-in-laws live with her.

Making money by running a criminal conspiracy of defrauding insurance companies and mortgage companies from multiple arsons and fraudulent mortgage loans, running drugs, dealing in stolen goods and apparently not paying back loans such as the barn which ended up with a lien against their property.

Threatening to physically harm and kill and shoot multiple people. Waving guns around like they are flags on 4th of July.

How much ya wanna bet that they burned down their trailer on Bethel Hill Rd for the insurance money? They committed multiple arsons on their own property.

Oh, after they made sure the dogs were outside since they cry over dogs.

 

[Cool Cats]

In any other state, the Wagners would face charges for trying to interfere, threatening and bribing witnesses. witness tampering.

That's illegal! Why was FW not arrested if she was involved?

2006 Ohio Revised Code - 2921.04. Intimidation of attorney, victim or witness in criminal case.

Child endangerment and drug running to throw in a couple more, oh, add arson charges. Too bad Ohio let them run their criminal enterprise until 2 1\2 years after they commit the most heinous homicides in Ohio resulting in the biggest BCI investigation in Ohio.

 

[Betty P]

Child endangerment and drug running to throw in a couple more, oh, add arson charges. Too bad Ohio let them run their criminal enterprise until 2 1\2 years after they commit the most heinous homicides in Ohio resulting in the biggest BCI investigation in Ohio.

According to the statute I linked earlier, Ohio also thinks bribinh or threatening witnesses for criminal trial and grand juries is a misdemeanor offense. No wonder we have so many criminals in elected office here. Ohio is such a messed up state.

 

[Cool Cats]

According to the statute I linked earlier, Ohio also thinks bribinh or threatening witnesses for criminal trial and grand juries is a misdemeanor offense. No wonder we have so many criminals in elected office here. Ohio is such a messed up state.

It's Ok if you don't want to answer this question.

Do you think the Wagner Court Cases are going pretty par for the course?

You have watched pre-trials on here and I haven't except I'm following the Derek Chauvin case.

I just wonder how the Wagner Pike County Court Case, defense motions, prosecution motions, judge leadership....basic pre-trial stuff, compares to other pre-trials you have seen?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

FW, had a barn to burn a few years back that had a million dollar miniature horse in it ( blue something) just wonder if this band o Gypsies did that also?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I would say that Pike county residents are glad Billy Wagner and his crew of misfits have been locked up for the past two years and a half years, JMO
I wonder what the guy could tell or did tell LE where they parked their stuff, you Sluthers know that it would take a really good friend or a person scared of the Wagners to let a bunch of accused killers hide that stuff on their property, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I would say that Pike county residents are glad Billy Wagner and his crew of misfits have been locked up for the past two years and a half years, JMO
I wonder what the guy could tell or did tell LE where they parked their stuff, you Sluthers know that it would take a really good friend or a person scared of the Wagners to let a bunch of accused killers hide that stuff on their property, JMO

Remember they Parked their stuff on the HWY 41 car lot.

Also, I think they were freaked out over the laser focus but then when a year went by they felt more confident. Then when another 6 months passed - late spring when they got back to Ohio up to November 2018 - they were confident that the laser focus wouldn't lead to their arrests.

Then I think the arrests came out of left field (for them) and they were shocked, especially when no one was left to bust them out of jail and to go and shoot up LE.

Point is, I assume they had all their stuff in their house and vehicles and out buildings etc, no chance to stash anything.

Now someone has all their stuff, it just didn't disappear.

 

[OhioBlues]

Remember they Parked their stuff on the HWY 41 car lot.
One of their cars was found"hidden" in another County we had discussed -
we were theorizing about it.

I think this is the one not searched until 2019 and they pulled Wagner prints off it.
Again, we were speculating based on what was listed in Discovery.

Also, I think they were freaked out over the laser focus but then when a year went by they felt more confident. Then when another 6 months passed - late spring when they got back to Ohio up to November 2018 - they were confident that the laser focus wouldn't lead to their arrests.

Then I think the arrests came out of left field (for them) and they were shocked, especially when no one was left to bust them out of jail and to go and shoot up LE.

Point is, they had all their stuff in their house and out buildings etc,
I'm assuming, no chance to stash anything.

Now someone has all their stuff, it just didn't disappear.

Where/when was a car found 'hidden' in another county?

 

[Cool Cats]

Where/when was a car found 'hidden' in another county?

We were only theorizing about it, speculating, not fact.

EDIT

I took that entire part - about the car - out of my post so as not to cause confusion because it was only theory - based on what we were seeing in the discovery.

The last thing I want to do on here is post in a way that makes a theory look like a fact.

I'm glad you mentioned it in time for me to EDIT my post - thanks!

 

[Cool Cats]

There's a lot of information here about the abusive activities of Jake and others prior to the murders.

Some things I wasn't aware of until now:

• Jake's physically abusive behavior included trying to strangle Hanna
• Jake had other people spying on her and reporting to him even after she left and returned home to live with her mom
• Jake made surreptitious recordings of her and his interactions with her while at 2 different residences in the months just prior to the murders
  
• Jake asked Hanna Rhoden not to tell others that her new baby wasn't his
• Jake offered HMR money to put his name on the birth certificate
• Jake limited HMR's access to her own family during the time she was living at his house
• Jake and his family wanted his family to raise S.W. and to have the child think that Angela Wagner was her mother, not Hanna
• GW4 and his family threatening to shoot Tabitha Claytor on the last night she lived with him at his home
• As with Hanna, GW4 refused to let Tabitha contact her family while she was living with him, they also wanted her to allow their child to think Angela Wagner was their mother
  
• Controlling behavior over Jake's second wife, Elizabeth Wagner, including all of her passwords, personal info, installing a tracking device on her phone. Had a PI investigate her. Same behavior as with others - no contact with her family, threats of injury or death, spying on her, etc.
• Incidents of arson on their own properties for personal gain
• Billy threatened Angela Wagner with a gun
• Billy was transporting drugs and engaged in drug trafficking
• Billy threatened and plotted to kill other people in prior instances
• Billy threatened Chris Sr. with a gun a week before the murders
• Having others commit perjury and obstruction of justice to cover up his crimes
• Billy Wagner only moved to FWF because his father was ill. Otherwise they all lived together.
• Engaged in counter-surveillance activities to keep LE from investigating them before, during and after the murders.

There are other acts listed, but they're things we already knew from news reports, indictments, etc.

Bumping your post. Alot of new and "eye opening" information in case anyone missed it or wants to go over it again.

@Betty P 's post:

Some things I wasn't aware of until now:

• Jake's physically abusive behavior included trying to strangle Hanna
• Jake had other people spying on her and reporting to him even after she left and returned home to live with her mom
• Jake made surreptitious recordings of her and his interactions with her while at 2 different residences in the months just prior to the murders
  
• Jake asked Hanna Rhoden not to tell others that her new baby wasn't his
• Jake offered HMR money to put his name on the birth certificate
• Jake limited HMR's access to her own family during the time she was living at his house
• Jake and his family wanted his family to raise S.W. and to have the child think that Angela Wagner was her mother, not Hanna
• GW4 and his family threatening to shoot Tabitha Claytor on the last night she lived with him at his home
• As with Hanna, GW4 refused to let Tabitha contact her family while she was living with him, they also wanted her to allow their child to think Angela Wagner was their mother
  
• Controlling behavior over Jake's second wife, Elizabeth Wagner, including all of her passwords, personal info, installing a tracking device on her phone. Had a PI investigate her. Same behavior as with others - no contact with her family, threats of injury or death, spying on her, etc.
• Incidents of arson on their own properties for personal gain
• Billy threatened Angela Wagner with a gun
• Billy was transporting drugs and engaged in drug trafficking
• Billy threatened and plotted to kill other people in prior instances
• Billy threatened Chris Sr. with a gun a week before the murders
• Billy having others commit perjury and obstruction of justice to cover up his crimes
• Billy Wagner only moved to FWF because his father was ill. Otherwise they all lived together.
• Engaged in counter-surveillance activities to keep LE from investigating them before, during and after the murders.

There are other acts listed, but they're things we already knew from news reports, indictments, etc.

Bumping 2 paragraphs from Betty's Summary Post:

She (Billy's attorney) doesn't like phrases in "other act evidence." Complained about 35 violations by state. Attorney says yes they will be filing objections to ALL 35 ACTS.

Canepa gives them notice of the general nature of other acts of evidence. State has met that burden. Reasonableness is ok. A week in advance of trial has been considered reasonable in federal courts to introduce other acts evidence. If they want to object to all 35, they can do that, and if they do, State will respond.

 

[Cool Cats]

From YouTube starts at 1:11 Billy Wagner's Pretrial Hearing on April 5, 2021 approximately a half hour.

 

[Ann99]

All this new info. !!!
Many thanks to all who have contributed to the new facts revealed.
Anyone have an opinion as to if this info revealed in court opens new avenues of sleuthing for us? I mean regarding rules of Websleuth and not violating TOS.

Edit to add - Billy is really an intimidating figure. Yup.

 

[Ann99]

BP, it is very scary what you just said, (Judge Deering and Prosecution Junk) have both been on the other side of the table when the Wagners got set Free from these other charges, JMO

I had noticed this and have been worried about it. Especially Junk.

 

[Ann99]

Child endangerment and drug running to throw in a couple more, oh, add arson charges. Too bad Ohio let them run their criminal enterprise until 2 1\2 years after they commit the most heinous homicides in Ohio resulting in the biggest BCI investigation in Ohio.

Drug running and arson. Those 2 crimes alone are very serious.
wonder if W 's (FW AW ) received insurance money for the fires?
Could be more trouble for them down the line if Insurance Companies
check into this. I don't know anything about what Insurance Companies can do if a fire is found to be arson many years later.

 

[Ann99]

FW, had a barn to burn a few years back that had a million dollar miniature horse in it ( blue something) just wonder if this band o Gypsies did that also?

Fire destroys family's top show horses

"Twenty of the show horses, only about 30 inches tall but valued at nearly $1 million, died in the blazing barn early Tuesday....
"'Little Blue Boy, the little white stallion, was worth at least half of that,' said Fredericka Wagner, who owns Flying W Farms with husband Robert."...

..."Fire officials say they have not determined the cause of the blaze.
Wagner believes an outside electrical wire may have blown over the roof and ignited the barn."

 

[Johnny B Bad]

LE and the Federal Government knows now that FWF didn’t make all that money to buy all the land, four wheelers, vehicle, guns, and to live a lifestyle that the Wagners family did by selling horses and pigs, JMO old man BW started the outlaw day’s back in the 70s, does anyone know if the nursing home is still on FWF????

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does any of you Sluthers know how long Fredericka attorneys has been with her????
Why I ask is in the Other Acts, it mentions how the Wagners had been accused of crimes and they threaten the witness and even got Wagners own attorneys to coach the witness what to say so the Wagners wouldn’t get into trouble, jus read below, JMO