GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

[Covert Operative]

Sluthers do you all wonder why GW4 stayed behind in Alaska, I think it was a test to see if anyone of the Wagners was going to get arrested and if so he would come in the middle of the night and rescue the Wagners family from jail, JMO

In bond hearing BCI agent said they came back in the spring. He said they interviewed G4 at the border in Montana so I believe he came back with them. He may have gone back to Alaska.

 

[Ann99]

MO Theory Speculation

I think
Billy is the bully,
AW is the manipulator,
George may be the brains, (ugh)
JW is the ' marksman' the more experienced shooter.

Who would be the silencer builder?

Do we totally believe it was one of the W's.
I have wondered that for a long time.

Not that it would make W's less guilty, because they used it.
They bought the parts, etc.
Do we think any of them had the ability to make it?
What ability would it take? idk

 

[Covert Operative]

Sluthers do you all wonder why GW4 stayed behind in Alaska, I think it was a test to see if anyone of the Wagners was going to get arrested and if so he would come in the middle of the night and rescue the Wagners family from jail, JMO

In bond hearing BCI agent said they came back in the spring. He said they interviewed G4 at the border in Montana so I believe he came back with them. He may have gone back to Alaska.

He could have gone back to Alaska but at the end of Sept 2018 time period there was a motion filed for change of visitation and UCCJEA filed in Adams county. There was a hearing set for end of Oct 2018 that did get changed a few times. It seems G4 asked for a Civil 35 examination of the party in the suit. If he did go back to Alaska after returning in the spring of 2018, then he was not there long because he was arrested in Ohio in Nov 2018. I would post the information here but there are names that I think cannot be mentioned. Here is the link to the site though. Adams County Common Pleas Court - Record Search (adamscountycourts.com)

 

[Everything22]

He could have gone back to Alaska but at the end of Sept 2018 time period there was a motion filed for change of visitation and UCCJEA filed in Adams county. There was a hearing set for end of Oct 2018 that did get changed a few times. It seems G4 asked for a Civil 35 examination of the party in the suit. If he did go back to Alaska after returning in the spring of 2018, then he was not there long because he was arrested in Ohio in Nov 2018. I would post the information here but there are names that I think cannot be mentioned. Here is the link to the site though. Adams County Common Pleas Court - Record Search (adamscountycourts.com)

Great post!

 

[Dudly]

MO Theory Speculation

I think
Billy is the bully,
AW is the manipulator,
George may be the brains, (ugh)
JW is the ' marksman' the more experienced shooter.

Who would be the silencer builder?

Do we totally believe it was one of the W's.
I have wondered that for a long time.

Not that it would make W's less guilty, because they used it.
They bought the parts, etc.
Do we think any of them had the ability to make it?
What ability would it take? idk

Check YouTube for videos on how to make them. Some refer to them as solvent catchers.

 

[sunshineray]

MO Theory Speculation

I think
Billy is the bully,
AW is the manipulator,
George may be the brains, (ugh)
JW is the ' marksman' the more experienced shooter.

Who would be the silencer builder?

Do we totally believe it was one of the W's.
I have wondered that for a long time.

Not that it would make W's less guilty, because they used it.
They bought the parts, etc.
Do we think any of them had the ability to make it?
What ability would it take? idk

MO Theory Speculation

I think
Billy is the bully,
AW is the manipulator,
George may be the brains, (ugh)
JW is the ' marksman' the more experienced shooter.

Who would be the silencer builder?

Do we totally believe it was one of the W's.
I have wondered that for a long time.

Not that it would make W's less guilty, because they used it.
They bought the parts, etc.
Do we think any of them had the ability to make it?
What ability would it take? idk

Poster steelman said on Thread #4 page 54...

"It's pretty easy to actually make a silencer out of odds and ends a lot of guys have in their workshop, a homemade silencer, so to speak. I don't want to get into the semantics about silencer versus suppressor and all of that. Suppressor is the term used by the gun manufacturers, silencer is the term used by people that love gangster movies.......it's pretty much one and the same.

Someone who is planning to murder 8 people would most likely not buy a suppressor on the free market. All a silencer/suppressor does is redistribute the muzzle blast so it is muffled. For instance, a 6" long piece of steel pipe, drilled with holes and wrapped with cotton, fitted to the end of a pistol would create a pretty fair amount of suppression all by itself. I've seen people make silencers out of 2 liter coke bottles full of cotton. You wouldn't believe how something so primitive and simple almost completely eliminates the muzzle blast, but it does. We've all seen movies where a bad guy grabs a pillow, puts over the victims head, shoves the muzzle of the gun down into the pillow and pulls the trigger. That's pretty much the entire concept of a silencer. If the force of the muzzle blast is sheltered from the open air and absorbed by something soft, it will be much much quieter.

Much like everything else in this country, there would be plenty of ways for people to either make their own silencer, get it on the black market, or have an unscrupulous gunsmith do it for them. The type of people we are dealing with here probably have plenty of sources to pick from when it comes to getting their guns outfitted to their liking. Illegal ? Probably, but these aren't the type of people that are worried about breaking the law, now are they ?

I don't know if suppressors were used in this case or not, they may have just used a pillow over their head just like I described earlier, maybe that's why there were so many shots to each victim."

We now know suppressor was used and made from a Maglite flashlight. I'm sure all the info needed to make one is online.

The above quoted post was from just days after the murders...April 28, 2016

 

[Betty P]

MO Theory Speculation

I think
Billy is the bully,
AW is the manipulator,
George may be the brains, (ugh)
JW is the ' marksman' the more experienced shooter.

Who would be the silencer builder?

Do we totally believe it was one of the W's.
I have wondered that for a long time.

Not that it would make W's less guilty, because they used it.
They bought the parts, etc.
Do we think any of them had the ability to make it?
What ability would it take? idk

According to Agent Scheiderer's testimony, both Jake and GW4 were involved in searching online how to build the silencers and both involved in buying parts for these and the brass catchers.

Pike County Massacre: BCI agent testifies about evidence against eldest Wagner son

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The slayings are considered the state’s biggest and most complex homicide investigation to date, resulting in more than 1,000 tips, hundreds of people interviewed and dozens of search warrants, officials say.

Pike County Massacre

The victims are family patriarch Christopher Rhoden, 40; his older brother, Kenneth Rhoden, 44; his cousin, Gary Rhoden; his former wife, Dana Lynn Rhoden, 37, and their children: Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden, 20, Hanna Mae Rhoden, 19, Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16, and Frankie’s fiancé, Hannah Gilley.

TIMELINE: Rhoden family murder investigation

Pike County Massacre: 5 years later

Rhoden family murders in Pike County: A look back five years later

 

[Dudly]

The slayings are considered the state’s biggest and most complex homicide investigation to date, resulting in more than 1,000 tips, hundreds of people interviewed and dozens of search warrants, officials say.

Pike County Massacre

The victims are family patriarch Christopher Rhoden, 40; his older brother, Kenneth Rhoden, 44; his cousin, Gary Rhoden; his former wife, Dana Lynn Rhoden, 37, and their children: Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden, 20, Hanna Mae Rhoden, 19, Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16, and Frankie’s fiancé, Hannah Gilley.

TIMELINE: Rhoden family murder investigation
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Pike County Massacre: 5 years later

Rhoden family murders in Pike County: A look back five years later

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[Betty P]

The slayings are considered the state’s biggest and most complex homicide investigation to date, resulting in more than 1,000 tips, hundreds of people interviewed and dozens of search warrants, officials say.

Pike County Massacre

The victims are family patriarch Christopher Rhoden, 40; his older brother, Kenneth Rhoden, 44; his cousin, Gary Rhoden; his former wife, Dana Lynn Rhoden, 37, and their children: Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden, 20, Hanna Mae Rhoden, 19, Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16, and Frankie’s fiancé, Hannah Gilley.

TIMELINE: Rhoden family murder investigation
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Pike County Massacre: 5 years later

Rhoden family murders in Pike County: A look back five years later

I was thinking last night of all of the Rhoden family members and Hannah Gilley. What a horrible night it was when they all lost their lives.

I notice the link to Fox 19's coverage of the Rhoden Massacre Timeline and 5th Anniversary is topped by news video is topped by video of Charlie Reader's sentencing.

Your bias against the Rhoden Family Massacre victims is duly noted, Fox 19.

Another link to Akron Beacon Journal, also behind a paywall.

Rhoden family murders in Pike County: A look back five years later

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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Which one? I don’t subscribe to anything, I don’t think?

 

[Penelope Pitstop]

Does anyone know what this is about?
If not allowed please let me know- I don’t normally post

 

[Niner]

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looks like it's for Jake:
Docket:
4/22/2021NOTICE OF HEARING SENT TO ALL REQUIRED PARTIES Judge: DEERING, RANDY D Event: STATUS CONFERENCE Date: 04/22/2021 Time: 01:30 PM

Hearings:
04/22/2021 01:30 PM STATUS CONFERENCE DEERING, RANDY D

05/12/2021 09:00 AM MOTION HEARING DEERING, RANDY D

08/30/2021 08:30 AM JURY TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...hm3-8ipvei0GEwi2p9WIqB00ekwFY7TL2b5KI3uCc0YSw

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, April 22nd:
*Status Conference Hearing (@ 1:30pm ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (38). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) and a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) for *Edward Jacob "Jake" Wagner (26/now 28) (former boyfriend of Hanna) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/27/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity & 1 count of 4th degree unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. (He’s accused of engaging in sexual contact with Hanna Rhoden when she was 15 & he was 20). Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP.
Trial set to begin on 8/30/21.
Number of shots fired at each victim (Det. Scheiderer: We know the three calibers of firearms that were used to commit these murders. a 22 caliber long rifle, a 40 caliber, and a 30 caliber) & Court hearings from 11/27/18 thru 11/6/20 reference post #473 here:
OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60
3/15/21 Update: Motion hearing on 4/12/21. 4/12/21 Update: Canepa & Junk are talking about allowing people to watch court proceedings, discussing whether to open the gallery above. Now they're all going into the back, to judge's chambers. Hearing for 3 motions filed Feb. & March 4. Jake appears without restraint in street clothes. Attorney absent, Jake says ok with substitute attorney. Special Agent Jenkins instead of Scheiderer. May 12, 2021 is all day motion hearing, but other motions resulted in request for sooner hearing - today. Motion 54 - Other Acts; 55 - transcripts, etc. Defense withdrawing #55 (Motion to Compel the production of transcripts of audio recordings) & #56 (Motion to Compel discovery & status of State's compliance with discovery duties). Address only 54. #54: Motion to Compel the production of "other Acts" evidence. Defense says State provided evidence to their external hard drive for items in 55 & 56. Asking court today to instead of issuing a ruling today refinement something about jurisprudence. Something about asking they include explanation of why they want to use all other acts listed & if it's relevant. Says they need to satisfy some restrictions in 404B, etc. prejudicial impact. Canepa says it was a notice of what they intend to use. If Wagner objects to any of the other acts, he should say so. Judge says burden remains on State to show it fits the exception & comply with Supreme Court's guidance. Does defense intend to file written objection or make oral objection. Do they want to schedule a hearing or use May 12 hearing to address objections to other acts. Defense says they object to all other acts. Some are irrelevant, etc. Says prejudicial impact is far above probative value. State says they need more specific info about objection to each specific act. Judge says state is required to show they are admissible. Not requiring defense to specify objections. Withdrawing Motion 47 (ballistics evidence). After consultation gave further thought about the motion decided to withdraw Motion 47 & 48 (Motion in Limine-Shoeprint evidence). State - He indicated "their experts". Appointments of experts - State wants more info about defense experts. Have not received anything. Next motion hearing on 5/12/21.
4/22/21 Update: Status conference hearing on 4/22/21.
*Angela Jo Wagner (48/now 50) – Pretrial hearing on 6/24/20. No updates as of 4/22/21.
*George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 29) – Motions hearing on 4/28/21.
*George Washington Wagner III (47/now 49) – Motions hearing on 4/5/21. No update as of 4/22/21
*Rita Jo Newcomb (65/now 68) – Motion hearing on 12/2//19 entered a plea of guilty. Will testify at the trials. No further court dates yet as of 4/22/21.
*Fredericka Carol Wagner (76/now 78) – 6/26/19: Charges were dismissed without prejudice.

 

[Betty P]

looks like it's for Jake:
Docket:
4/22/2021NOTICE OF HEARING SENT TO ALL REQUIRED PARTIES Judge: DEERING, RANDY D Event: STATUS CONFERENCE Date: 04/22/2021 Time: 01:30 PM

Hearings:
04/22/2021 01:30 PM STATUS CONFERENCE DEERING, RANDY D

05/12/2021 09:00 AM MOTION HEARING DEERING, RANDY D

08/30/2021 08:30 AM JURY TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...hm3-8ipvei0GEwi2p9WIqB00ekwFY7TL2b5KI3uCc0YSw

Thanks, I had the other calendar events for Jake in my calendar, but not this one today. I'll watch and transcribe.

There's also a hearing for GW4 on April 28

 

[Betty P]

Wednesday, April 22nd:
*Status Conference Hearing (@ 1:30pm ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (38). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) and a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) for *Edward Jacob "Jake" Wagner (26/now 28) (former boyfriend of Hanna) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/27/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity & 1 count of 4th degree unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. (He’s accused of engaging in sexual contact with Hanna Rhoden when she was 15 & he was 20). Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP.
Trial set to begin on 8/30/21.
Number of shots fired at each victim (Det. Scheiderer: We know the three calibers of firearms that were used to commit these murders. a 22 caliber long rifle, a 40 caliber, and a 30 caliber) & Court hearings from 11/27/18 thru 11/6/20 reference post #473 here:
OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60
3/15/21 Update: Motion hearing on 4/12/21. 4/12/21 Update: Canepa & Junk are talking about allowing people to watch court proceedings, discussing whether to open the gallery above. Now they're all going into the back, to judge's chambers. Hearing for 3 motions filed Feb. & March 4. Jake appears without restraint in street clothes. Attorney absent, Jake says ok with substitute attorney. Special Agent Jenkins instead of Scheiderer. May 12, 2021 is all day motion hearing, but other motions resulted in request for sooner hearing - today. Motion 54 - Other Acts; 55 - transcripts, etc. Defense withdrawing #55 (Motion to Compel the production of transcripts of audio recordings) & #56 (Motion to Compel discovery & status of State's compliance with discovery duties). Address only 54. #54: Motion to Compel the production of "other Acts" evidence. Defense says State provided evidence to their external hard drive for items in 55 & 56. Asking court today to instead of issuing a ruling today refinement something about jurisprudence. Something about asking they include explanation of why they want to use all other acts listed & if it's relevant. Says they need to satisfy some restrictions in 404B, etc. prejudicial impact. Canepa says it was a notice of what they intend to use. If Wagner objects to any of the other acts, he should say so. Judge says burden remains on State to show it fits the exception & comply with Supreme Court's guidance. Does defense intend to file written objection or make oral objection. Do they want to schedule a hearing or use May 12 hearing to address objections to other acts. Defense says they object to all other acts. Some are irrelevant, etc. Says prejudicial impact is far above probative value. State says they need more specific info about objection to each specific act. Judge says state is required to show they are admissible. Not requiring defense to specify objections. Withdrawing Motion 47 (ballistics evidence). After consultation gave further thought about the motion decided to withdraw Motion 47 & 48 (Motion in Limine-Shoeprint evidence). State - He indicated "their experts". Appointments of experts - State wants more info about defense experts. Have not received anything. Next motion hearing on 5/12/21.
4/22/21 Update: Status conference hearing on 4/22/21.
*Angela Jo Wagner (48/now 50) – Pretrial hearing on 6/24/20. No updates as of 4/22/21.
*George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 29) – Motions hearing on 4/28/21.
*George Washington Wagner III (47/now 49) – Motions hearing on 4/5/21. No update as of 4/22/21
*Rita Jo Newcomb (65/now 68) – Motion hearing on 12/2//19 entered a plea of guilty. Will testify at the trials. No further court dates yet as of 4/22/21.
*Fredericka Carol Wagner (76/now 78) – 6/26/19: Charges were dismissed without prejudice.

Thank you, Niner!

 

[Niner]

Thanks, I had the other calendar events for Jake in my calendar, but not this one today. I'll watch and transcribe.

There's also a hearing for GW4 on April 28

I did not have him for today either... next I have him for is May 12th.

 

[Berrybell]

Thanks, I had the other calendar events for Jake in my calendar, but not this one today. I'll watch and transcribe.

There's also a hearing for GW4 on April 28

Thank you Betty, your time and dedication is greatly appreciated.

 

[Betty P]

Live link here

WATCH LIVE: Jake Wagner to appear in court on 5th anniversary of Pike Co. massacre

 

[Betty P]

Once again, they're fiddling around with settings to view a remote live video feed. Doesn't mean Jake won't attend the hearing in person, as they did this the last time and Jake was there live and they didn't use the courtroom tv screen.