GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #61

[Seattle1]

yes, and the 2 men are local, well known.
and another male name (not GR) also local under - cyber

Thanks, @Ann99. I should have said female-sounding name and will edit my post.

 

[Ann99]

I only found two names of inmates mentioned in the SSD filed on 4/28/21. If you google the named female and FBI, I believe you'll find what you seek.

Thank you for this!
Just to clarify, the 2 inmates are both men.
The woman is listed under audio
Another man is listed under cyber

oops, just saw your post above. the name was confusing

 

[Cool Cats]

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/george-wagner-iv-still-pleading-not-guilty-after-brothers-confession-to-rhoden-murders

Attorneys for George Wagner IV said they plan to “take a step back” to examine the guilty plea entered by one of Wagner’s alleged co-conspirators — his little brother — but did not change George’s not-guilty plea during a Wednesday court appearance.

WCPO

George is back in handcuffs and he changed back into his red striped jail clothes. He is pictured getting into a sheriff's car after he left court this past Wednesday. As a high profile inmate he has extra security, note several officers are behind him.

Jake Wagner could receive up to eight consecutive life sentences for the Rhodens’ murders and 160 years imprisonment for the other charges.

Jake is young only 28. This means he could be in prison for 50 years! Same for George. If George goes to trial it will be for his son, he said on Facebook his son is his "whole world."

 

[CIA Team Member]

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/george-wagner-iv-still-pleading-not-guilty-after-brothers-confession-to-rhoden-murders

Attorneys for George Wagner IV said they plan to “take a step back” to examine the guilty plea entered by one of Wagner’s alleged co-conspirators — his little brother — but did not change George’s not-guilty plea during a Wednesday court appearance.

WCPO

George is back in handcuffs and he changed back into his red striped jail clothes. He is pictured getting into a sheriff's car after he left court this past Wednesday. As a high profile inmate he has extra security, note several officers are behind him.

Jake Wagner could receive up to eight consecutive life sentences for the Rhodens’ murders and 160 years imprisonment for the other charges.

Jake is young only 28. This means he could be in prison for 50 years! Same for George. If George goes to trial it will be for his son, he said on Facebook his son is his "whole world."

IMO, George comes across as though he thinks "I didn't do much," or "I only killed/hurt one..." and doesn't want to be held in the same light as Jake, not realizing how the law holds him as liable as the others. He will downplay his involvement. But, I thought he'd be the one who would turn first. Just so many questions. Questions we'll never know the full answers to. It still amazes me how 4 people, same family unit, for months on end plotted this and not one person thought "gee, this doesn't seem right/normal to have these thoughts," let alone follow through. Four of them....smh
my useless 2 cents.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

George 4 Supplemental Discovery from today

Item # 73 is interesting.

JMO

 

[Fayette_kid]

IMO, George comes across as though he thinks "I didn't do much," or "I only killed/hurt one..." and doesn't want to be held in the same light as Jake, not realizing how the law holds him as liable as the others. He will downplay his involvement. But, I thought he'd be the one who would turn first. Just so many questions. Questions we'll never know the full answers to. It still amazes me how 4 people, same family unit, for months on end plotted this and not one person thought "gee, this doesn't seem right/normal to have these thoughts," let alone follow through. Four of them....smh
my useless 2 cents.

It is pretty mind boggling that no one involved tried (or tried, but was not successful) to put the brakes on their plan. Says a lot about the family, IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Snipped from above, BBM

It was my understanding that JW led investigators to the three guns that were used in all eight of the murders. JMO

Yup.

Jake Wagner, through his confession and admission, even led investigators to where they could recover the three guns he said his family used while killing the eight people in four homes in three separate locations.

Rhoden family murders: Tony Rhoden still grieving in Pike County

In George's Bond Hearing both Canepa and Scheiderer said there were 3 guns.

"Three guns were used your honor, three"

"There were 3 guns. A 40 caliber a 30 caliber and a 20 caliber"

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO, George comes across as though he thinks "I didn't do much," or "I only killed/hurt one..." and doesn't want to be held in the same light as Jake, not realizing how the law holds him as liable as the others. He will downplay his involvement. But, I thought he'd be the one who would turn first. Just so many questions. Questions we'll never know the full answers to. It still amazes me how 4 people, same family unit, for months on end plotted this and not one person thought "gee, this doesn't seem right/normal to have these thoughts," let alone follow through. Four of them....smh
my useless 2 cents.

Your 2 Cents is not useless.... Lol...!

Alot of people thought George would turn first. I just couldn't picture him giving up on his son.

I think Jake turned because his attorneys leveled with him telling him the evidence was so strong he would most likely be convicted and if convicted receive the DP.

The reason given in court for his plea was to avoid the DP.

The reason I think George might go to trial is because the DP is off the table for him.
If found guilty at trial he wouldn't get the DP so why not chance it and try to get acquitted?

 

[Everything22]

Your 2 Cents is not useless.... Lol...!

Alot of people thought George would turn first. I just couldn't picture him giving up on his son.

I think Jake turned because his attorneys leveled with him telling him the evidence was so strong he would most likely be convicted and if convicted receive the DP.

The reason given in court for his plea was to avoid the DP.

The reason I think George might go to trial is because the DP is off the table for him.
If found guilty at trial he wouldn't get the DP so why not chance it and try to get acquitted?

It all depends on what Jake's testimony is against him. MOO

 

[Dudly]

Your 2 Cents is not useless.... Lol...!

Alot of people thought George would turn first. I just couldn't picture him giving up on his son.

I think Jake turned because his attorneys leveled with him telling him the evidence was so strong he would most likely be convicted and if convicted receive the DP.

The reason given in court for his plea was to avoid the DP.

The reason I think George might go to trial is because the DP is off the table for him.
If found guilty at trial he wouldn't get the DP so why not chance it and try to get acquitted?

He may as well swing for the fence. If he doesn’t get an acquittal or hung jury, he is not out anything anyway...

 

[Fat Old Man]

I hope one, of the final three, goes to trial. I think it will be the only way the public will get a look at all the evidence. JMO!

 

[Cool Cats]

It all depends on what Jake's testimony is against him. MOO

I'm wondering if the prosecution has to reveal Jake's trial testimony and would the defense be allowed to get a deposition from him.

I agree that if George could see what Jake's specific testimony will be it could push him towards taking a plea.

Another factor is BCI has the guns. The gun George used could tie him directly to the homicides. All they have to do is check for his DNA and fingerprints, if there is none they will still be able to exactly match the bullets to the guns.

Jake can tie George to the specific gun he used. It's not realistic that Jake used 3 guns by himself.

...2 Cents...

 

[CIA Team Member]

He may as well swing for the fence. If he doesn’t get an acquittal or hung jury, he is not out anything anyway...

There's now no reason for them to plead and to now move forward with a trial. There's nothing for prosecutors to offer them to do so. Therefore, they'll all opt for trial and take their chances, I guess. IMO

 

[evelezrn]

Crazy off-the-wall question.

If JW died before it was time for him to testify against one of the others, what would happen?

It's very unlikely, but people in jail do commit suicide. And although it doesn't happen often, sometimes inmates kill other inmates.

If the other 3 continue to plea "not guilty" and JW wasn't there to testify against them, is there a chance one of the others could be acquitted or get a mistrial? (I know it's a stretch of the imagination, but that's how my brain works.)

 

[Everything22]

I'm wondering if the prosecution has to reveal Jake's trial testimony and would the defense be allowed to get a deposition from him.

I agree that if George could see what Jake's specific testimony will be it could push him towards taking a plea.

Another factor is BCI has the guns. The gun George used could tie him directly to the homicides. All they have to do is check for his DNA and fingerprints, if there is none they will still be able to exactly match the bullets to the guns.

Jake can tie George to the specific gun he used. It's not realistic that Jake used 3 guns by himself.

...2 Cents...

I'm just not sure about the minute details of Jake's plea bargain and getting the others' DP specification removed. At what point does the DP get taken off the table? I can't see Jake or Canepa just giving the other three a free ride home to LWOP. Or what would the point even be of having a trial? We shall see. All MOO.

Also, I took this as Jake would testify against the others as a trial pursued, rather than Jake giving up all the goodies up front. Sure, that would help the defense. But I'm under the impression Jake is totally 100% testifying in the Prosecution's favor and none to his 3 family members.

 

[ohioexpat63]

I doubt they needed Jake to convict. They have the evidence to convict all of them. Jake's admission saved the family years of litigation and appeals. He also saved the state millions in DP appeals. Jake has allegedly led the prosecutors to the murder weapons. If ballistics match, coupled with the evidence the prosecutors have, Jake can die tomorrow and the other 3 still go down. MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm just not sure about the minute details of Jake's plea bargain and getting the others' DP specification removed. At what point does the DP get taken off the table? I can't see Jake or Canepa just giving the other three a free ride home to LWOP. Or what would the point even be of having a trial? We shall see. All MOO.

Also, I took this as Jake would testify against the others as a trial pursued, rather than Jake giving up all the goodies up front. Sure, that would help the defense. But I'm under the impression Jake is totally 100% testifying in the Prosecution's favor and none to his 3 family

As part of Jake's plea agreement the prosecution has dropped the death penalty against the other Wagners.

Jake will testify against his family members. The prosecution has already been going over his testimony, he can't withhold anything before trial. He has been cooperating for some time.

Jake Wagner pleads guilty in Pike County massacre

"The State is also agreeing to dismiss the death penalty specifications against the other family members and Jake will testify against his mom, dad and brother at their trials."

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Apologies if this has already been posted. I haven't had time to back read so I guess reposting it can't hurt.


‘Nobody expected this:’ Why a legal expert is shocked by Jake Wagner’s plea deal

 

[OhioBlues]

If I were the PA, I would not drop the DP til JW testified against each person.

That is how it typically works anyway.

 

[Cool Cats]

Crazy off-the-wall question.

If JW died before it was time for him to testify against one of the others, what would happen?

It's very unlikely, but people in jail do commit suicide. And although it doesn't happen often, sometimes inmates kill other inmates.

If the other 3 continue to plea "not guilty" and JW wasn't there to testify against them, is there a chance one of the others could be acquitted or get a mistrial? (I know it's a stretch of the imagination, but that's how my brain works.)

If Jake could not testify for any number of reasons the prosecution would still be able to admit his testimony.

Jake has already given his testimony to prosecutors. The prosecutors know that there is always the chance that Jake could be unable to testify.

So no doubt they have already made sure to do whatever they need to do (like swear under oath or do a full video confession for example) to preserve his testimony.

George's lawyer wants a deposition with FW in case she is unable to come to the trial to testify on George's behalf.