GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #62

[Kyshoegal]

You get the hang of it.

This horrible nightmare of a crime had a long overdue, but positive outcome. If you focus on a goal of seeing justice for the victims and their family and friends, you should feel relieved. Jake pleaded guilty to every single charge filed against him. Nothing was exaggerated by the state, it was all accurate.

It's traumatic to finally learn all the details of the crimes, the planning, the lies the collateral damage. At the same time you have to appreciate the relief now felt by the investigators, prosecutors and victim's families to finally lay down their burdens and expose the killers for who they are.

Mostly, it's about all of them, not us.

If it makes us feel better, we saw and experienced only a small fraction of the trauma experienced by the survivors and those who worked on the investigation. I hope they've all found peace and support.

We did our little part, hopefully, by keeping the case and the facts before the public, rallying support for those not here to defend themselves. We've tried to do it in the most thoughtful, constructive and supportive way possible.

Well said ..well said

 

[almond]

The defense attorneys for GW4 don't want JW's attorney to testify about anything. They just want to put him on the stand in order to make him look bad for making the plea deal with the state. They know he can't testify to any privileged information.

JMO, GW4's attorneys are desperate. They're hoping to cash in on a show trial and JW's attorney is messing with that plan.

Gw4's atty is an ambitious fellow! Is this the best he can do for his client? Put on a show? Should be interesting anyway.

 

[Cool Cats]

I wonder if this continued push toward trial is completely GW4's own idea, or if FW is pulling his attorneys' strings. If it is solely GW4's doing, I just don't understand why he can't get it through his head that being involved in any fashion in the planning of and/or carrying out the murders--even if he didn't pull a trigger--still makes him guilty. His own brother and maternal grandmother are going to testify against him. Why doesn't he just accept it? JMO, Just shaking my head.

FW is involved, remember? She is the witness Nash wants to despose to help George's Case. Her husband also if he were still alive. Don't count FW out in any of this drama.

Despose in case she can't make it to his trial. Nash wants her to testify at his trial. Imagine that, Jake will testify for the prosecution and grandma will testify for the defense, you could almost say for the honor of her family.
She has something important to say because she is not just a witness, she's a
critical witness.

Just can't make this stuff up.

Opinion since I am not posting the Motion right now. Need time to get it etc...

 

[Antimony]

What in the world could he testify to that isn't privileged?!

Are any conversations with the other defendant's privileged?

 

[Everything22]

Are any conversations with the other defendant's privileged?

I thought they all were. JMO

 

[Everything22]

I believe all the defendants, co-defendants and their attorneys are under a gag oder.

 

[Everything22]

CC, can you please link or post the document that showed the Wagners could not make any money from movies, books, etc., from these cases? I think it's in the Civil Cases that Tony Rhoden filed. Thanks!

 

[Cool Cats]

CC, can you please link or post the document that showed the Wagners could not make any money from movies, books, etc., from these cases? I think it's in the Civil Cases that Tony Rhoden filed. Thanks!

Possible there could be a trial to gain any assets these Defendants have.
In fact, yes, the victims are entitled to money and assets from the Defendants. Like if Jake owns anything NOW, technically the Plaintiffs can sue to get it. Putting it simply, not just a book or movie.....but any of their current assets. Pretty sure I think.

https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org

• 2020CIV000274 RHODEN, SR, TONY D
  
  • AKA
  • ADMINISTRATOR OF RHODEN ESTATE
• VS. WAGNER, III, GEORGE

CIVIL COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES AND DECLARATORY RELIEF W/JURY TRIAL DEMANDE AND MILITARY ATTESTATION FILED

11/10/2020 CIVIL DEPOSIT Receipt: 35450 Date: 11/10/2020

11/12/2020 ATTESTATION/VERIFICATION OF PLAINTIFF TONY D RHODEN SR IN SUPPORT OF AND/OR AS A SUPLEMENT TO PLAINTIFF'S COMPLAINT FILED (FAX) ***PLACED COPY WITH SERVICE PACKET***

WAGNER, EDWARD Defendant 11/10/2020 2020CIV000274 OTHER CIVIL Open

WAGNER, ANGELA Defendant 11/10/2020 2020CIV000274 OTHER CIVIL Open

WAGNER, III, GEORGE Defendant 11/10/2020 2020CIV000274 OTHER CIVIL Open

WAGNER, IV, GEORGE Defendant 11/10/2020 2020CIV000274 OTHER CIVIL Open

WAGNER, FREDERICKA Defendant 11/10/2020 2020CIV000274 OTHER CIVIL Open

NEWCOMB, RITA Defendant 11/10/2020 2020CIV000274 OTHER CIVIL Open

 

[Cool Cats]

Glad to see you back!

Thanks! Nice of you to say.

Wow, George is going ahead with his trial and they are deposing ? Jake's attorney. What the heck does that even mean? Just when you think things are over ... Nope! They pull you back in again!

And now it's official, in just 12 days it will be a full year since we have seen Angela.

06/24/2020 01:30
PM PRE-TRIAL - Angela 1 year ago in court


https://www.google.com/amp/s/local1...to-pike-county-court-for-rhodengilley-murders

 

[pepper 34]

If the 4 Wags sign a plea agreement, there won't be any appeals.

I can't imagine any defense attorney can successfully burnish his reputation by thumbing his nose at the Ohio justice system, the governor and the taxpayers of Ohio just to try to get off a bunch of lowlife murderers who committed one of the most horrific murders in Ohio history. That said, every murderer facing the DP with a mountain of evidence against him/her will sure be calling them up. I hear those clients don't have much money. I guess the Wagner defense attorneys would be doing it for free. True, they would be real heroes to the killers, though.

ETA
I doubt the Ohio AG's office will be choosing them to handle any future DP cases for the state, so that taxpayer funded gravy train will end.

Then again, they are probably hoping to cash in on book and movie deals, like OJ Simpson's "dream team" did.

I don't understand how anything I wrote could be taken as the defense attorney "thumbing his nose" at anyone. Doing a professional and thorough job is disrespectful to the whole state of Ohio and the governor somehow? I don't think so. No matter how we or anyone else feels about the W's or how horrible or low life they are, they are entitled to as skillful a defense as anyone else would be; by law. Murderers are entitled to a defense and it happens all the time. It frequently causes problems later on when a defense attorney doesn't cover all his bases from the start all the way to the finish. No less would be expected of defense attorneys, regardless of the cost.

How can we know that all 4 will sign a plea agreement? Discussion, up until now, seemed to indicate that members weren't sure what the attorneys will do. It has been speculated that GW might want to go to trial. I won't claim to have any idea what is going to happen in any of the cases except for JW's which is still a guess on my part without guarantee that I'm correct. I know what the most logical and probable answer is but there's too much I don't know about the law to guess. Most of us are not attorneys. I've never seen this sort of situation play out in any court before.
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[Everything22]

Thanks! Nice of you to say.

Wow, George is going ahead with his trial and they are deposing ? Jake's attorney. What the heck does that even mean? Just when you think things are over ... Nope! They pull you back in again!

And now it's official, in just 12 days it will be a full year since we have seen Angela.

06/24/2020 01:30
PM PRE-TRIAL - Angela 1 year ago in court

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/local1...to-pike-county-court-for-rhodengilley-murders

Yeah, IMO, something is up with that!

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't understand how anything I wrote could be taken as the defense attorney "thumbing his nose" at anyone. Doing a professional and thorough job is disrespectful to the whole state of Ohio and the governor somehow? I don't think so. No matter how we or anyone else feels about the W's or how horrible or low life they are, they are entitled to as skillful a defense as anyone else would be; by law. Murderers are entitled to a defense and it happens all the time. It frequently causes problems later on when a defense attorney doesn't cover all his bases from the start all the way to the finish. No less would be expected of defense attorneys, regardless of the cost.

How can we know that all 4 will sign a plea agreement? Discussion, up until now, seemed to indicate that members weren't sure what the attorneys will do. It has been speculated that GW might want to go to trial. I won't claim to have any idea what is going to happen in any of the cases except for JW's which is still a guess on my part without guarantee that I'm correct. I know what the most logical and probable answer is but there's too much I don't know about the law to guess. Most of us are not attorneys. I've never seen this sort of situation play out in any court before.
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Your posts are interesting, I hope you don't leave. I remember you on here when I first came on , besides I like your raccoon.

I agree 100%, but it sure looks good for a defense attorney to try every angle that's possible for a complete and thorough defense. The defense attorney may know it won't make a difference but it's all recorded in the news coverage. Down the road... other people needing a defense attorney may remember the efforts he made... he tried everything and left nothing out. So, it can be good for building a name for one's self and so it can be good for business, too, and gaining the respect of his fellow attorneys; both defense and prosecuting. This attorney is defending a W so, especially in the state of Ohio, he already has a pretty big audience.
ETA: Avoiding appeals. I'm sure when all is said and done, nobody wants this to have to go back time and again to the court for appeals filed for 4 possible candidates either.

What you are saying about the DP attorneys giving a career defining best and also not knowing who will plea are spot-on in my opinion.

You couldn't be more correct in how important it is for these defense attorneys to give it their all and Death Penalty cases are different and the Special Death Penalty Defense Attorneys have to rise to an even higher standard of defense with higher standards of proof and evidence for conviction in Death Penalty Trials .... I did a post about this with 2 PDF files to go with it.

Nothing compares to a DP case, the level of defense even includes 2 main DP attorneys not just one.

And absolutely you are 100% right that we have no clue about who will sign plea agreements, in fact it's the complete opposite because instead of signing a plea agreement George wants a trial date, can't get more opposite from a plea than that.

Any DP attorney who won't do absolutely everything for their client facing death won't last in this career and will end up chasing ambulances for a living. No one wants a @#$%& for an attorney when being condemned to death could be in your future.

[PDF]
Does the Threat of the Death Penalty Affect Plea ...
https://scholar.princeton.edu/.../death_penalty_0.pdf

[PDF]
A Beyond a Reasonable Doubt Standard in Death …
https://scholarlycommons.pacific.edu/cgi/view...
The primary avenue of challenge to death penalty statutes on burdens of proof and standards of proof will have to be through state constitutional provisions...

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[Kyshoegal]

Thanks! Nice of you to say.

Wow, George is going ahead with his trial and they are deposing ? Jake's attorney. What the heck does that even mean? Just when you think things are over ... Nope! They pull you back in again!

And now it's official, in just 12 days it will be a full year since we have seen Angela.

06/24/2020 01:30
PM PRE-TRIAL - Angela 1 year ago in court

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/local1...to-pike-county-court-for-rhodengilley-murders

Glad to finally be back and trying to catch up..why do you think AW has been absent? I mean I cannot imagine what’s going on with them. And I’m interested to see what the others do in light of JW’s plea. A part of me still wants to know how the murders went down, not the gore. I want to know who shot who, how, in what order. Why did they need different cars? Who drove (I say AW never pulled a trigger). Those details are what I’m interested in. But where has AW been.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This explains a lot about Defense Attorney's and why they defend the people they do. Just try to imagine a justice system without them. Pretty scary IMO.



1. ATTORNEYS DON'T ALLOW THEIR PERSONAL FEELINGS TO TRUMP DUE PROCESS.


"Some defendants have clearly committed terrible crimes, but they still have constitutional rights—so attorneys don't let their personal feelings about a crime get in the way of a client's defense. “There’s never been a day I stood up for someone accused of a crime where I would endorse that crime,” says Tritico. “I don’t justify the act of blowing up a building and killing 168 people. But McVeigh has to be protected and his rights have to be protected. People like me have to be willing to stand up and say, ‘I will stand up for you.’ You do it for McVeigh and you do it for everyone.”




18 Secrets of Criminal Defense Attorneys

 

[Everything22]

Thanks for looking into that tactic. It doesn't sound as though anything useful comes from this exercise, but perhaps its just going through the motions of objecting to the other party's plea deal. Just going on record.

It's also possible GW4's attorney would attempt some trick if he gets the attorney on the stand in a public court room hearing. He might play to the potential jury pool by publicly implying Jake's attorney is dishonest and that the plea agreement and Jake's testimony are false.

GW4's attorney may think he is doing his duty in fully representing his client. He may also want a "win" so badly that he's willing to do anything to see that his client is acquitted and released from jail, free to take revenge against anyone he feels harmed him.

I'm so confused about the other 3 Wagner cases now and how Jake's confession affects them. Are they still DP cases if the DP has been taken off the table? DP cases seem to receive many benefits that non-DP cases don't receive, according to the past motions filed...isn't this correct?

I will always believe AC and the Prosecuting attorneys still have the upper hand and are 3 steps ahead of anything the defense attorneys can muster up. The main thing is AC has the "truth," both in heavy evidence, witnesses and now, Jake's confession. I have all my faith stacked in the Prosecution's favor. AC's got this. I'll stand with her.

 

[Everything22]

I’m not sure it’s just self preservation. I cannot imagine he wants to see his family get the death penalty for him. 5 years they’ve been in jail. A long and hard 5 years. Maybe he is simply tired, maybe he has accepted his fate and the fact they are not getting out so rather than see them all sentenced to death, he decided everyone was entitled to peace. Including the victims families. Whatever the reason I’m grateful for the closure. It was time for the victims to have some peace

It appears that GW4 doesn't want Jake's help negotiating for him (life instead of DP) and I seriously doubt Billy or Angela will want it either. They all seem to have a superiority complex, still thinking they are "untouchable." Stupid enough to look a gift horse in the face and spit on it. Even after murdering eight people in cold blood. Sickening.

 

[Everything22]

Gw4's atty is an ambitious fellow! Is this the best he can do for his client? Put on a show? Should be interesting anyway.

Nash? Yeah. He wanted to get rid of GW4's case and defend M. Merean, but Mearan wouldn't have him. Kinda funny.

"Mearan ordered to house arrest after violating bond - Portsmouth Daily Times" Mearan ordered to house arrest after violating bond - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[Cool Cats]

It appears that GW4 doesn't want Jake's help negotiating for him (life instead of DP) and I seriously doubt Billy or Angela will want it either. They all seem to have a superiority complex, still thinking they are "untouchable." Stupid enough to look a gift horse in the face and spit on it. Even after murdering eight people in cold blood. Sickening.

The DP is off the table now for all 4 if Jake follows his plea deal.

Plea deal:

Any family member of his who goes to trial, Jake must take the witness stand and testify against the family member. IF Jake does this then he is honoring his plea agreement and the DP will not be brought back for any of them.

What if no one in Jake's family goes to trial? Doesn't matter, DP still off the table.

I consider these 4 "cases" to be about LWOP now. Jake's attorney said "He knows he's going to die in prison."

 

[Everything22]

The DP is off the table now for all 4 if Jake follows his plea deal.

Plea deal:

Any family member of his who goes to trial, Jake must take the witness stand and testify against the family member. IF Jake does this then he is honoring his plea agreement and the DP will not be brought back for any of them.

What if no one in Jake's family goes to trial? Doesn't matter, DP still off the table.

I consider these 4 "cases" to be about LWOP now. Jake's attorney said "He knows he's going to die in prison."

Just one correction: JW must testify "truthfully." A BIG word.

 

[Cool Cats]

Just one correction: JW must testify "truthfully." A BIG word.

Very good point.

Note that Canepa said he had been working with them for some time. I don't think they automatically believed what he said, apparently they took time to check out his stories and they have ways of catching people in lies etc....

They also collaborated his info like guns and vehicles, silencers and casings and who knows what all.

I think these seasoned investigators were getting all his statements down and made sure they triple checked his facts making sure the evidence added up and his stories didn't change, grilling him over and over until they were confident in what he was saying.

He had been lying for years it is hard for me to believe anything he says but I am confident the professionals are way more smarter and savvy then him and have nailed down about as close to the truth as anyone will get with him.

What he says on the stand will have to match what he has already told them.