GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

[almond]

You will be surprised how he will look in another 2-3 years for his next updated photo.

Prison is aging? I see the circles under his eyes. Perhaps he doesn't feel safe enough to close his eyes.

 

[almond]

Deleted. Double post. My neighbor must be running her robo vac because my wifi slowed.

 

[Cool Cats]

I am not sure if someone else was taking a plea it would have anything to do with them turning over the proffer to G4. He obviously is not taking one right now since he is pushing for the proffer. The proffer is not going to change content in 30 more days or ever.
I thought more along the lines of could there be some misinformation in the proffer they are aware of now. If so, they may want to invalidate the proffer putting the DP back on the table for all which would push a LWOP to look more attractive. They could still use the evidence and proffer. I do not really think that is probably it either. There are so many guesses to be had.

They won't invalidate the Proffer. They can add or subtract from it following the protocol but the DP is not going to come back unless Jake himself wants to try to kill it and go to trial instead.

Judge Deering:

"That removes the sentence of death from, as a possible sentence, that will not be possible, at that point, to impose a possible death sentence. Do you understand that?" the judge said.

Youngest Wagner agrees to plea deal to avoid death penalty in Pike County murders

 

[Cool Cats]

Prison is aging? I see the circles under his eyes. Perhaps he doesn't feel safe enough to close his eyes.

Yes prison is aging. Look at Angie from just being in jail.

Young looking


Older tired look


• Angela Wagner to return to court for Pike County massacre
• Angela Wagner denied bond as she pleads not guilty to Rhoden murder charges

 

[almond]

Yes prison is aging. Look at Angie from just being in jail.

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She looks to me like a woman facing menopause. The pale lips and dry skin...

 

[Cool Cats]

She looks to me like a woman facing menopause. The pale lips and dry skin...

Incarceration can speed up the process apparently. She didn't look like that at all in the beginning.

 

[almond]

Incarceration can speed up the process apparently. She didn't look like that at all in the beginning.

Stress will do that. lol Think she'll cop a plea?

 

[Covert Operative]

They won't invalidate the Proffer. They can add or subtract from it following the protocol but the DP is not going to come back unless Jake himself wants to try to kill it and go to trial instead.

Judge Deering:

"That removes the sentence of death from, as a possible sentence, that will not be possible, at that point, to impose a possible death sentence. Do you understand that?" the judge said.

Youngest Wagner agrees to plea deal to avoid death penalty in Pike County murders

You may want to research that. If they find out there was a lie in it or if the state did something wrong yes it can be.

 

[Cool Cats]

Stress will do that. lol Think she'll cop a plea?

I think it's highly suspicious that she hasn't been seen for 14 months.

This alone makes me wonder if she will plead guilty.

The only plea deal she will get is to get it in writing that the DP is gone and it's LWOP instead. She will have to plead guilty in open court with the families like Jake did.

This is the only plea deal the families will allow her in my estimation. I think all 4 Wagners need to be held accountable for all 22 (23) charges.

 

[Cool Cats]

You may want to research that. If they find out there was a lie in it or if the state did something wrong yes it can be.

A lie is different from a mistake or adding new evidence or what not.

If Jake lied he will have the DP put back on his Case. His plea deal is to speak truthfully.

 

[Covert Operative]

A lie is different from a mistake or adding new evidence or what not.

If Jake lied he will have the DP put back on his Case. His plea deal is to speak truthfully.

I know that , I never said anything about adding or taking away evidence. I said there may be misinformation in the proffer in my post. I am not sure they can subtract information from it either or what not.

 

[Covert Operative]

"..ongoing and developing circumstances.." Hmmm. Ongoing? As in something's been happening?
Developing? Something is coming from these ongoing circumstances?
My money is on another guilty plea.

How would that change the proffer though? His original proffer would be the same 30 days from now or a year from now, so I do not understand how anything basically would hold up turning over the proffer.

 

[Betty P]

I am not sure if someone else was taking a plea it would have anything to do with them turning over the proffer to G4. He obviously is not taking one right now since he is pushing for the proffer. The proffer is not going to change content in 30 more days or ever.
I thought more along the lines of could there be some misinformation in the proffer they are aware of now. If so, they may want to invalidate the proffer putting the DP back on the table for all which would push a LWOP to look more attractive. They could still use the evidence and proffer. I do not really think that is probably it either. There are so many guesses to be had.

I'm thinking GW4's attorneys want him to go to trial (it drags the case out a couple more years and more $$ for them). It's possible Billy's attorneys are seeing it the same way. OTOH, if AW decides to plea bargain, it weakens the cases for BW4 and Billy. If it ends up that 2 of the W defendants (e.g. JW and AW) corroborate the evidence that JW provided in the proffer, it hurts the cases of the other 2.

I have zero doubts about evidence in Jake's confession. He and his attorneys know if he lied about anything, it will stand out and be used against him. The prosecution and BCI are not idiots. They will have double checked any new information he gave them long before they negotiated a deal with him or prepared to present it to the other defendants. There's too much at stake. The last thing they want is a mistrial, that would be a career-destroyer. JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

I'm thinking GW4's attorneys want him to go to trial (it drags the case out a couple more years and more $$ for them). It's possible Billy's attorneys are seeing it the same way. OTOH, if AW decides to plea bargain, it weakens the cases for BW4 and Billy. If it ends up that 2 of the W defendants corroborate the evidence that JW provided in the proffer, it hurts the cases of the other 2.

I have zero doubts about evidence in Jake's confession. He and his attorneys know if the lied about anything, it will stand out and be used against him. The prosecution and BCI are not idiots. They will have double checked any new information he gave them long before they negotiated a deal with him or prepared to present it to the other defendants. There's too much at stake. The last thing they want is a mistrial, that would be a career-destroyer.

I am sure they checked out everything but there may be some things said they could not prove or have not been able to prove one way or the other. It would be very doubtful they could get a mistrial.
I have zero doubts about his confession as to they did it, but I do not choose to believe a liar and murderer 100 percent that I thought was lying for years. Another co-defendant could also corroborate something in his proffer that may help one of the others to some degree.

 

[IType]

He will never see his daughter.

Never is a long time. He may not see her while she is a minor, but no one can predict what she will want when she becomes an adult and can legally make her own choices. She may have a few choice things to say to him once she is an adult. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Never is a long time. He may not see her while she is a minor, but no one can predict what she will want when she becomes an adult and can legally make her own choices. She may have a few choice things to say to him once she is an adult. JMO

Right. But as a child there is no way Jake can compel her adoptive family to bring her, and no way they would of their own volition. I'm sure.

 

[Betty P]

I am sure they checked out everything but there may be some things said they could not prove or have not been able to prove one way or the other. It would be very doubtful they could get a mistrial.
I have zero doubts about his confession as to they did it, but I do not choose to believe a liar and murderer 100 percent that I thought was lying for years. Someone else could also corroborate something in his proffer that may help one of the others to some degree.

JMO, if there was anything they felt they couldn't prove, they wouldn't have allowed Jake to include it. AC and even Junk have lots of experience hearing felons lie to them. Same with Judge Deering.

GW4 is a killer, just like the rest of his family. He personally killed at least one person that night - Gary Rhoden. JMO. He may have killed more.

JMO, he doesn't deserve better treatment than the rest of his family just because he has a child. He had several months in which he could have stopped his family from murdering the Rhodens and he chose not to because he hated them and wanted them dead. He feels no remorse about their murders, he thinks they deserved what they got. Otherwise, he would be going along with Jake's plea bargain.

If there's a God in heaven, GW4 will never be allowed to see his child again. They should be left alone to rebuild their own life without the shadow of the Wagner family's horrific crimes following them into their future.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Right. But as a child there is no way Jake can compel her adoptive family to bring her, and no way they would of their own volition. I'm sure.

Thank goodness for that. Ask Charles Manson's offspring how they felt about having him as a father, or the kids of Dennis Rader, BTK.

 

[Covert Operative]

JMO, if there was anything they felt they couldn't prove, they wouldn't have allowed Jake to include it. AC and even Junk have lots of experience hearing felons lie to them. Same with Judge Deering.

GW4 is a killer, just like the rest of his family. He personally killed at least one person that night - Gary Rhoden. JMO. He may have killed more.

JMO, he doesn't deserve better treatment than the rest of his family just because he has a child. He had several months in which he could have stopped his family from murdering the Rhodens and he chose not to because he hated them and wanted them dead. He feels no remorse about their murders, he thinks they deserved what they got. Otherwise, he would be going along with Jake's plea bargain.

If there's a God in heaven, GW4 will never be allowed to see his child again. They should be left alone to rebuild their own life without the shadow of the Wagner family's horrific crimes following them into their future.

JMO

I do not believe they can control what he says in his proffer and make him leave things out and only put in what they can prove or that they want in there. I am pretty sure that would be misconduct.
G4 does not deserve any better treatment to me either, will he get anything better due to strategy or negotiations. Not sure.

 

[Betty P]

I do not believe they can control what he says in his proffer and make him leave things out and only put in what they can prove or that they want in there. I am pretty sure that would be misconduct.
G4 does not deserve any better treatment to me either, will he get anything better due to strategy or negotiations. Not sure.

IANAL, but I think its possible that the prosecution can add disclaimers or in some way verify correct information and make note of any claims Jake makes that they can't verify. Seems likely they can give instructions to the jury or somesuch. I've never heard of a case where a killer lied in his proffer and the prosecution was helpless to do anything about it. JMO