GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

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  • #421
It could be that G4 defense had a videographer for AW and AW defense had a videographer for G4. AW was not in court on 4-28 so it would have to have been a meeting with her outside of court they would have recorded.
All of the dates listed on the invoices happen to be court dates for G3, G4, JW. JW's and G3's invoices are billed for them.
G4 in court 4-28 and 6-21
G3 in court 4-5
JW in court 4-12
AW not in court since 6-24-20
There is no way to know if it is an error or not in the invoicing but it seems that it may be.
 
  • #422
Just differing opinions. You could be right of course but what a stupid waste of money when there are so many more important aspects of the Case the defense could spend money on.

Money is a real issue in George's defense.

I would rather spend $180 x X on forensic experts and investigators etc...

Starting with the gun Jake said was used by George. That gun is a real problem for George, especially if it is the Glock.

We all know George bought a Glock with his uncle and was known as the Glock man.


What evidence do they have from what JW told them? They found a knife and a gun? where?
 
  • #423
What evidence do they have from what JW told them? They found a knife and a gun? where?

All we know right now is what Canepa said and what we can glean from the Discovery.

Jake led detectives to the 3 guns that were used and also to the 2 vehicles that were used. One vehicle was bought specifically to use that night.

We see from the Discovery that apparently the guns and knife and other items were put into buckets and covered with cement. Likely to circumvent the metal detectors.

They were found at FWF and buried or thrown into pond H20, there are 66 Flying W pond photos. Ross County and Franklin County Dive teams had been searching on the property.

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  • #424
Just differing opinions. You could be right of course but what a stupid waste of money when there are so many more important aspects of the Case the defense could spend money on.

Money is a real issue in George's defense.

I would rather spend $180 x X on forensic experts and investigators etc...

Starting with the gun Jake said was used by George. That gun is a real problem for George, especially if it is the Glock.

We all know George bought a Glock with his uncle and was known as the Glock man.
I missed where Jake said a gun was used by George. Can you tell me where I can read this ? It’s not that I don’t believe you just want to read it.
 
  • #425
I missed where Jake said a gun was used by George. Can you tell me where I can read this ? It’s not that I don’t believe you just want to read it.

It was my opinion that Jake would know and tell the prosecution which of the 3 guns Billy and George used. At the guilty plea hearing Canepa specifically said 3 guns.

There is a YouTube video of the 4/22/21 confession hearing which is about 2 hrs long, and AC starts her comments at around 1 hr, 40 mins into the video. She stated JW told BCI where to find the three guns used.

What I said in my post was QUOTE:

It stands to reason in my opinion that when Jake led the investigators to the 3 guns they asked him if he knew which gun did Billy use? Which gun did George use? And I believe Jake knew the answer to those questions.

I always thought:

Jake = .22 Walther Colt

George = .40 Glock

Billy = .30 SKS 30 caliber rifle
 
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  • #426
13 Rhoden searches Humm.... I'm wondering how much of this Computer Discovery Evidence was Billy on the computers vs FW ?


RCA Tablet FWF Robin
Cookies (2 items)
Images (11 items)
Web History (1 item)
Screenshots 10-22 (4 pages)

Dell Desktop FWF
Google Searches (95 items)
Identifiers (2 items)
PDF Documents (19 items)
Rhoden Search (13 items)
Word Documents (15 items)
Screenshot 2020 10-22 (2 items)

Nixsys Desktop FWF
Identifiers (1 item)
User Accounts (1 item)

Generic Desktop FWF
User Accounts (1 item)
 

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  • #427
It was my opinion that Jake would know and tell the prosecution which of the 3 guns Billy and George used. At the guilty plea hearing Canepa specifically said 3 guns.

There is a YouTube video of the 4/22/21 confession hearing which is about 2 hrs long, and AC starts her comments at around 1 hr, 40 mins into the video. She stated JW told BCI where to find the three guns used.

What I said in my post was QUOTE:

It stands to reason in my opinion that when Jake led the investigators to the 3 guns they asked him if he knew which gun did Billy use? Which gun did George use? And I believe Jake knew the answer to those questions.

I always thought:

Jake = .22 Walther Colt

George = .40 Glock

Billy = .30 SKS 30 caliber rifle
Thank you. I remember that , I didn’t know if it was somewhere else.
 
  • #428
I missed where Jake said a gun was used by George. Can you tell me where I can read this ? It’s not that I don’t believe you just want to read it.
It doesn’t matter which gun GW4 used, he bought items like a night scope, threatened to do harm to the LE just because they where investigating him and his family for the Rhodens/Gilley murders, GW4 traveled with the family everywhere they went to get out of trouble and to avoid talking to the LE of Ohio, I also can’t wait to here his ex wife testimony! All this could be aiding and abetting to the Rhodens/Gilley murders, that is just as bad if GW4 pulled the trigger on all the Rhodens in the eyes of the law, JMO
 
  • #429
It doesn’t matter which gun GW4 used, he bought items like a night scope, threatened to do harm to the LE just because they where investigating him and his family for the Rhodens/Gilley murders, GW4 traveled with the family everywhere they went to get out of trouble and to avoid talking to the LE of Ohio, I also can’t wait to here his ex wife testimony! All this could be aiding and abetting to the Rhodens/Gilley murders, that is just as bad if GW4 pulled the trigger on all the Rhodens in the eyes of the law, JMO

Yup!

All the State has to prove is that George was going along with his family. They have 8,000 recordings of interest. Remember these few from George?

Incriminating statements:

1.) If they have the gun they have the silencer.
2.) I told you to get rid of your phone.
3.) We have a family emergency.
4.) Don't come down here we have company.
5.) Jake's always getting us in trouble over some woman.
6.) I want to bash Scheiderer's face in.
7.) Make Reader pay make DeWine pay - violent tendencies Scheiderer said.
8.) We're being bugged don't say anything till we get home.
9.) I bought a night scope.
10.) Bought a Captain America mask.
11.) Making fun of Jake's religion many times = they don't celebrate Halloween so what was the mask for?

Canepa & Scheiderer at George's Bond Hearing
 
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  • #430
It doesn’t matter which gun GW4 used, he bought items like a night scope, threatened to do harm to the LE just because they where investigating him and his family for the Rhodens/Gilley murders, GW4 traveled with the family everywhere they went to get out of trouble and to avoid talking to the LE of Ohio, I also can’t wait to here his ex wife testimony! All this could be aiding and abetting to the Rhodens/Gilley murders, that is just as bad if GW4 pulled the trigger on all the Rhodens in the eyes of the law, JMO
I agree
 
  • #431
If Defence has been recording / videoing meetings, this has been their choice? Or am I wrong?
If own choice I don't understand why they can bill for these and make State /tax payers pay for them. Shouldn't Defence teams doing this pay for these videos / recordings themselves?

Can someone explain this to me please?

Edit to add: I realise the time difference involved and you US folk are still in the land of nod. So, I'll pop back later. It's only 9.14am here lol.
 
  • #432
If Defence has been recording / videoing meetings, this has been their choice? Or am I wrong?
If own choice I don't understand why they can bill for these and make State /tax payers pay for them. Shouldn't Defence teams doing this pay for these videos / recordings themselves?

Can someone explain this to me please?

Edit to add: I realise the time difference involved and you US folk are still in the land of nod. So, I'll pop back later. It's only 9.14am here lol.

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  • #433
@Cool Cats. Thanks for that info, I still think if Defence want to video a meeting, or record it, they should meet the cost. Just saying .............

Us English have strange ideas at times haha.
 
  • #434
@Cool Cats. Thanks for that info, I still think if Defence want to video a meeting, or record it, they should meet the cost. Just saying .............

Us English have strange ideas at times haha.

If they had a paying defendant, they would get billed. In this case the one paying the defendant’s expenses is the State of Ohio...
 
  • #435
If they had a paying defendant, they would get billed. In this case the one paying the defendant’s expenses is the State of Ohio...

Yes, of course! Many thanks for that massive wake up call. I'd forgotten about that fact............... goes to hide around the corner lol
 
  • #436
@Cool Cats. Thanks for that info, I still think if Defence want to video a meeting, or record it, they should meet the cost. Just saying .............

Us English have strange ideas at times haha.

But cool accents.

Would be interesting to see how your prosecution and defense works.

Maybe we could follow a crime case from England.

Hummm......That would be very interesting. Scotland Yard. Columbo went there.
 
  • #437
But cool accents.

Would be interesting to see how your prosecution and defense works.

Maybe we could follow a crime case from England.

Hummm......That would be very interesting. Scotland Yard. Columbo went there.

No you wouldn't like that at all. Our police keep almost everything close to their chest. They release the name of perpetrators and the charge but very little else until they get to court. Very boring to follow and no recording in Court either. This means one has to attend Court to hear first hand what's going on or wait for the media to give us run down for the day.
 
  • #438
Did Columbo go to Scotland Yard? I must have missed that episode.

:cool:
 
  • #439
STATE OF OHIO -vs- WAGNER, III, GEORGE WASHINGTON

DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE OF THE PROSECUTION IN DISMISSING THE MURDER SPECIFICATIONS AGAINST DEFENDANT GEORGE WAGNER III

(Pages 3 & 4)


As part of the Defendant's agreement between the State and Co-defendant Jacob Wagner, Jacob Wagner agreed to testify at the trials of George Wagner IV, Angela Wagner, and George Wagner III.

In return, the State agreed to dismiss the "death penalty" specifications for Jacob Wagner and each of the Co-defendants that he agreed to testify against.

Defendant GW III is one of the named Co-defendants in this agreement and thus, a third party beneficiary who had a right of specific performance appropriate to effectuate the intention of the original parties to the contract.

In addition, the agreement indicates a promise by the State to give the beneficiary, GW III, the benefit of the promised performance. Therefore, Defendant GW III is an intended beneficiary to the Defendant's Agreement and has enforceable rights under the contract.

Despite the admission that this plea Agreement is governed by contract law, the State has failed to adhere to the basic contract law principals and is instead selecting to abide by it's own body of law authored by the prosecutors in this case themselves as they have informed Defense Counsel that they are not "yet going to dismiss the death specifications, as they are waiting to do so."

Yet, the State's desired timeline of the dismissals of the death specifications are nowhere to be found in the Defendant's Agreement that the State and Defendant Jacob Wagner have entered into.

The dismissals of the death specifications against ALL other Defendants in exchange for Defendant Jacob Wagner's AGREEMENT to testify as articulated by this agreement should occur before this Honorable Court proceeds with this case and further.

To further delay these dismissals of the death specifications is to further perpetuate the State's uncanny ability to continue to control the timeline of this case by abiding it's self-authored body of law that is neither rooted by the State legislature, by the State Courts, or by the Supreme Court.

Defense Counsel respectfully asks this Court to impose specific performance of the Defendant's Agreement between Co-defendant Jacob Wagner and the State of Ohio in dismissing "death penalty" specifications four, five, and six, contained in counts one through eight, in regard to Defendant George Wagner III.

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  • #440
Did Columbo go to Scotland Yard? I must have missed that episode.

:cool:

Absolutely - fun seeing him as an English tourist.

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Columbo broke new ground on November 26, 1972. For the first time ever the Lieutenant stepped outside his LA comfort zone and mixed it up with a bunch of Brits on a work visit to Scotland Yard.
 
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