GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

[Covert Operative]

I read this three times! Took of my glasses, gave them a clean and read it again. Just had to make sure.

Clean 'em again, ha. I had to clean mine too.
JW plea deal was called a status conference but we cannot always go by how something is worded. Hers was put on the court calendar kind of quick. It could just be that another court case was postponed and it is about her phone privileges.

 

[altojack]

Clean 'em again, ha. I had to clean mine to.
JW plea deal was called a status conference but we cannot always go by how something is worded. Hers was put on the court calendar kind of quick. It could just be that another court case was postponed and it is about her phone privileges.

Hmmm ......... maybe, but ..........

I'm running way ahead here, I need to sit and calm myself. You're probably right, it's the phone calls.

 

[Covert Operative]

Hmmm ......... maybe, but ..........

I'm running way ahead here, I need to sit and calm myself. You're probably right, it's the phone calls.

It may not be phone calls. It was put on the calendar fast so it makes it suspicous. She does have the outstanding phone motion since June still.

 

[Betty P]

Let's hope its her announcing a decision to accept a plea agreement, just as Jake did.

At least we don't have long to wait before we find out.

GW 4 has a hearing next Tuesday 9/13 and Billy has his hearing on Thursday 9/16

I wonder if the short notice on Angela's hearing is so it could be scheduled before GW4 and Billy's? I don't recall that we've seen that before with these cases - jockeying to see whose hearing precedes the others.

What does Angela want to say or do before her son and husband's hearings? If it were a routine motion hearing, you'd think she could have waited until after the others.

 

[IType]

On the vests. MO
I seem to remember that there was a dispute or a discrepancy with one vest as far as the manufacture date. Or the manufacture date had been tampered with. Or highly suspected to have been altered, tampered to change the date of manufacture.
Does anyone else remember this?
It could be that FW did purchase 2 new vests, to replace 2 others that had been used in the murders, and the paperwork for those newly purchased vests was all ok.
So, was a murder vest accidentally saved? Or was a newly purchased vest legit., but some Wagner genius thought it would be better to make it look even more like a recent purchase. Remember FE made a strong statement about needing protection for her family from ISIS or some big Drug Lord, or whatever she was claiming as a fear or threat.
The problem was a vest with a possible tamper of the manufacture date. MO
I could be imagining this. Anyone?

Remembering more... plates inside the vest? The plates could be removed or replaced/changed and something didn't match up?

There's been much discussion here on WS about the vests in the past and, yes, there were theories that the manufacture dates on the vests could have been tampered with. This was quite some time ago, though.

Again, my question, why would she search about penalties for lying to a grand jury if she was telling the truth?? Pretty suspicious.....IMO

 

[IType]

Let's hope its her announcing a decision to accept a plea agreement, just as Jake did.

At least we don't have long to wait before we find out.

GW 4 has a hearing next Tuesday 9/13 and Billy has his hearing on Thursday 9/16

I wonder if the short notice on Angela's hearing is so it could be scheduled before GW4 and Billy's? I don't recall that we've seen that before with these cases - jockeying to see whose hearing precedes the others.

What does Angela want to say or do before her son and husband's hearings? If it were a routine motion hearing, you'd think she could have waited until after the others.

IIRC, the notice of the hearing for JW's confession was scheduled the exact same day as the hearing itself--4/22/2021. Very last minute. I believe I read somewhere that the hearing was intentionally scheduled on the five-year anniversary of the murders, JMO.

I'm crossing my fingers that the prosecution is also rushing to get this hearing for AW in at the last minute before GW4's hearing on Monday for a really big reason. It is highly suspicious to me that GW4's attorneys were pitching such a fit, demanding that the hearing about turning over the recording of JW's proffer be moved up, but then nothing else ever happened and his hearing was left for Monday 9/13/21. Hopefully both of these facts add up to a plea change by AW--won't that blow GW4 and BW teams' plans out of the water! JMO

 

[Ann99]

There's been much discussion here on WS about the vests in the past and, yes, there were theories that the manufacture dates on the vests could have been tampered with. This was quite some time ago, though.

Again, my question, why would she search about penalties for lying to a grand jury if she was telling the truth?? Pretty suspicious.....IMO

I believe FW was planning to lie to the Grand Jury. And I think she did lie.
There is something more about the vests that AC and Investigators have held in their back pocket.
I believe they dropped charges against FW at that time to keep from being force to reveal evidence that AC felt needed to be kept secret for the good of the bigger picture.
And I think that bet paid off for AC.
We just dont know exactly how yet.
Somehow I also feel RN is a part of this info yet to come out.
I believe RN contributed information to Prosecutors that will surprise everyone MO

 

[IType]

Clean 'em again, ha. I had to clean mine too.
JW plea deal was called a status conference but we cannot always go by how something is worded. Hers was put on the court calendar kind of quick. It could just be that another court case was postponed and it is about her phone privileges.

So glad you saw this on AW's case! Hoping for big news on Friday, something a whole lot more important than restoring her phone privileges!!!!!

FYI, with regard to the bulletproof vests, as I mentioned to Ann, there were some in-depth discussions about the vests quite some time ago. I remember the same details as Ann does. I'm sure it was well before you began posting here a few months ago, so you may not have been aware of those discussions unless you were reading along with the threads but not posting. No concrete consensus among the posters was ever decided, just a lot of theories.

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

IIRC, the notice of the hearing for JW's confession was scheduled the exact same day as the hearing itself--4/22/2021. Very last minute. I believe I read somewhere that the hearing was intentionally scheduled on the five-year anniversary of the murders, JMO.

I'm crossing my fingers that the prosecution is also rushing to get this hearing for AW in at the last minute before GW4's hearing on Monday for a really big reason. It is highly suspicious to me that GW4's attorneys were pitching such a fit, demanding that the hearing about turning over the recording of JW's proffer be moved up, but then nothing else ever happened and his hearing was left for Monday 9/13/21. Hopefully both of these facts add up to a plea change by AW--won't that blow GW4 and BW teams' plans out of the water! JMO

I cannot see them clearing or making sure the attorneys on both sides calendars were clear for a phone motion and having to fit that. So it is suspicious. If it is a plea do you think it will be a plea of LWOP?

 

[Covert Operative]

So glad you saw this on AW's case! Hoping for big news on Friday, something a whole lot more important than restoring her phone privileges!!!!!

FYI, with regard to the bulletproof vests, as I mentioned to Ann, there were some in-depth discussions about the vests quite some time ago. I remember the same details as Ann does. I'm sure it was well before you began posting here a few months ago, so you may not have been aware of those discussions unless you were reading along with the threads but not posting. No concrete consensus among the posters was ever decided, just a lot of theories.

JMO

I have kept up with the case in depth but not on WS and did not read on WS at that time either. I am familiar with the information surrounding the vests but there may be some evidence that points to dates being tampered with that I am unaware of. I could definitely see it being a theory.

 

[Fat Old Man]

The easiest way, to find out if FW. Is more the a Boss Hog of the family. If she has not, funded the AW and JW, commissary, accounts. FW, may hate her Daughter-in-law. But if their is some dirt on FW, that AW can use. I am sure FW, would be trying her best, to keep her daughter-in-law happy.

This hearing could be, about AW dental visit. Maybe she has devolved a overbite, and wants the court to approve braces, or some implants.

all my opinion!

 

[Ann99]

I cannot see them clearing or making sure the attorneys on both sides calendars were clear for a phone motion and having to fit that. So it is suspicious. If it is a plea do you think it will be a plea of LWOP?

To schedule so quickly this must be something very big.
A strong feeling that AW is going to accept the plea deal, LWOP
I wonder if there is any information AW can contribute to the Prosecution beyond what Jake has said.

 

[Covert Operative]

To schedule so quickly this must be something very big.
A strong feeling that AW is going to accept the plea deal, LWOP
I wonder if there is any information AW can contribute to the Prosecution beyond what Jake has said.

I will be a little shocked if her plea deal is LWOP but that is what it should be. Maybe she wants to get to prison faster that waiting on a trial for LWOP. She probably would give a proffer also and it may have some information in it that his did not.

 

[joe jones]

I doubt any of the remaining 3 will take pleas, JW plea means that DP is effectively off the table for them so they will get LWOP if found guilty anyway, I think they will all take their chances (slim as they are) with a jury and blame it all on JW, as seen in GW4 hearing where his attorney was arguing for the possibility of bail he kept arguing that much of the evidence used to charge GW4 was as equally probative that it either belonged to or was used by JW

 

[Covert Operative]

I doubt any of the remaining 3 will take pleas, JW plea means that DP is effectively off the table for them so they will get LWOP if found guilty anyway, I think they will all take their chances (slim as they are) with a jury and blame it all on JW, as seen in GW4 hearing where his attorney was arguing for the possibility of bail he kept arguing that much of the evidence used to charge GW4 was as equally probative that it either belonged to or was used by JW

I have thought one or two may take a plea of something less than LWOP if offered . Something less than they may think they could get at trial. I would be a little surprised for one or two of them to take a plea of LWOP for the reasons you mentioned.

 

[Betty P]

I believe FW was planning to lie to the Grand Jury. And I think she did lie.
There is something more about the vests that AC and Investigators have held in their back pocket.
I believe they dropped charges against FW at that time to keep from being force to reveal evidence that AC felt needed to be kept secret for the good of the bigger picture.
And I think that bet paid off for AC.
We just dont know exactly how yet.
Somehow I also feel RN is a part of this info yet to come out.
I believe RN contributed information to Prosecutors that will surprise everyone MO

I agree, good summary. The prosecution also wanted to deal with FW later. Now that Jake made his confession, it's possible he revealed things that might further incriminate FW. It will be interesting to know what he had to say about the BPVs.

The defense attorneys have also been quiet about getting their copies of the proffer. Perhaps they've all received them now and the remaining defendants are considering a plea deal.

Perhaps AW is trying to jump to the head of the line with her deal. Is that how it works? The first one across the line gets the better deal? The last defendants to take a plea agreement probably have less bargaining power once all the information has been revealed by the first ones.

Killers who committed the premeditated murder of 8 people sleeping in their beds aren't going to see the outside of a prison. It's the evidence and the math. But they might be able to get some other favorable treatment, who knows?

 

[IType]

I cannot see them clearing or making sure the attorneys on both sides calendars were clear for a phone motion and having to fit that. So it is suspicious. If it is a plea do you think it will be a plea of LWOP?

I don't see AC agreeing to anything but lwop for AW. The evidence is too strong and really leaves no room for AW to wiggle out of any of the charges. JMO

 

[Fat Old Man]

I doubt any of the remaining 3 will take pleas, JW plea means that DP is effectively off the table for them so they will get LWOP if found guilty anyway, I think they will all take their chances (slim as they are) with a jury and blame it all on JW, as seen in GW4 hearing where his attorney was arguing for the possibility of bail he kept arguing that much of the evidence used to charge GW4 was as equally probative that it either belonged to or was used by JW

I think they all will plea, standing and saying guilty for a hour or so. Will be much easier then setting through a couple months of trial. Knowing that all their misgiving will be aired in Public,

BW leverage might be leave my mommy alone, and I will confess. This would probably be the first and only time he acts like a man.

 

[Ann99]

I don't see AC agreeing to anything but lwop for AW. The evidence is too strong and really leaves no room for AW to wiggle out of any of the charges. JMO

Would AW be concerned about her own Mother, RN? Would AW plead guilty and accept LWOP to spare her Mom?
If AC wanted to play hardball, she could come up with with a few new serious charges against RN.
Maybe AW will see the light and plead guilty to stop it all from moving forward publicly and save her Mom the ordeal of a trial and potentially additional bad deeds coming out.

 

[Covert Operative]

I don't see AC agreeing to anything but lwop for AW. The evidence is too strong and really leaves no room for AW to wiggle out of any of the charges. JMO

I am just wondering why she would take a LWOP plea when that is the worse she could get in a trial anyway unless she is just ready to move on to prison.