GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #65

[LMDlong]

JMO. IANAL, but I think the rule says someone cannot be compelled to testify against their spouse. But if they choose to, they can. It's their decision.

I agree.

 

[LMDlong]

As long as AW volunteers to testify it’s permitted. Also she is only permitted to testify about things if a third party was present to

There is two types mentioned .

 

[LMDlong]

I didn't read this but I had posted that this must be the reason the DP was taken off the table.

It is logical and ethical to see that you can't ask a family member to testify against another when the convicted will be given the DP.

It would be outrageous and horrible to do so even though the convicted committed outrageous and horrendous crimes.

I'm surprised the Judge is letting the prosecution "play around" with the DP.
Must be to pressure Billy into a plea deal but it won't work, I don't see Billy or George admitting guilt.

Jake could be unable to testify and they would just put out his sworn statements. Jake already testified about everything. I wish we could know Deering's reasoning.

IMO I think the reason Deering did not object about removing the death penalty in JW’s case and the recommendation of LWOP is because Ohio is not executing at the present time. And with JW’s deal he will never get out of jail.

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO I think the reason Deering did not object about removing the death penalty in JW’s case and the recommendation of LWOP is because Ohio is not executing at the present time. And with JW’s deal he will never get out of jail.

Well I think the families agreed to the plea deal for Jake for various reasons.

1.) LWOP
2.) Avoid a trial.
3.) Get a guilty plea to all 23 Counts.
4.) He will tell all he knows that will fill in the "blanks" for the families.
5.) He will testify at his family's trials.
6.) Guilty pleas help to bring closure and Justice (with proper sentence).

I don't think this has anything to do with what Ohio is doing about the DP. Besides it is completely different if you are sentenced to death even if it never happens.

Why?

Because you live on death row the whole time and living on DR is like he$$ on earth. Segregated alone in your cell away from the general population and away from all the activities afforded in general.

Well maybe if your lucky you could get a roommate, and talk about what? Your dismal future together? Families you will never see? Your regrets? How you wish you could go back in time and do it all different?

Do it so you wouldn't get caught? Or not do the crime at all?

 

[LMDlong]

Well I think the families agreed to the plea deal for Jake for various reasons.

1.) LWOP
2.) Avoid a trial.
3.) Get a guilty plea to all 23 Counts.
4.) He will tell all he knows that will fill in the "blanks" for the families.
5.) He will testify at his family's trials.
6.) Guilty pleas help to bring closure and Justice (with proper sentence).

I don't think this has anything to do with what Ohio is doing about the DP. Besides it is completely different if you are sentenced to death even if it never happens.

Why?

Because you live on death row the whole time and living on DR is like he$$ on earth. Segregated alone in your cell away from the general population and away from all the activities afforded in general.

Well maybe if your lucky you could get a roommate, and talk about what? Your dismal future together? Families you will never see? Your regrets?
How you wish you could go back in time and do it all different?

Do it so you wouldn't get caught? Or not do the crime at all?

I agree 100 % about about the families and their reasons . I understand what your saying about DR. These cases have had so many twists and turns, some things we might never know and Deering accepting the state’s recommendation seems to be one of them.

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree 100 % about about the families and their reasons . I understand what your saying about DR. These cases have had so many twists and turns, some things we might never know and Deering accepting the state’s recommendation seems to be one of them.

George/Billy's defense will have had ample time to apply strategy on how to fight the testimony seen in both Angie's and Jake's Proffers by the time of their next Hearings.

If the 2 of them do not take a plea by their next Hearings then I think it likely we will see at least one of them go to trial.

I just can't picture either one of them pleading guilty to anything at this point but I think by their next Hearings it will be quite apparent if there will be trials.

I suspect that Billy feels he has nothing to lose by watching George go to trial first to see what happens.

Billy might give in if George is found guilty at his trial.

 

[Betty P]

According to your article on Ohio law, Billy could stop Angie from testifying against him if she wanted to testify about something that only the 2 of them talked about.

However, this is not the case here. It was the 4 of them that discussed together the crimes and also participated together in the crimes so Billy can't stop his wife from testifying against him.

It is not a cut and dried law that says spouses can never testify against each other, there are circumstances where they can and unfortunately for Billy his wife of 30 years intends to do just that.

Pretty cold to do that to your husband of 30 years. My guess is she will be getting served papers. As in D.

He probably wasn't an ideal husband, either. From some of the things we've heard, he's a violent guy and probably a wife beater.

 

[Cool Cats]

He probably wasn't an ideal husband, either. From some of the things we've heard, he's a violent guy and probably a wife beater.

A bit off-putting that pulling a gun on her incident.

 

[ohioexpat63]

Speculation

The think George² are of the same mindset. They'll both go down kicking and screaming. When the dust settles they'll get LWOP and all the appeal options.

Baretta...don't do the crime if you can't do the time

 

[Cool Cats]

Speculation

The think George² are of the same mindset. They'll both go down kicking and screaming. When the dust settles they'll get LWOP and all the appeal options.

Baretta...don't do the crime if you can't do the time

What are the appeal options do you think?

......Keep your eye on the sparrow when the going gets narrow......

 

[ohioexpat63]

What are the appeal options do you think?

......Keep your eye on the sparrow when the going gets narrow......

All frivolous and nothing winnable.

They seem to be in love with their attorney's when quizzed by the judge. So we can toss the ineffective counsel.

 

[Cool Cats]

All frivolous and nothing winnable.

They seem to be in love with their attorney's when quizzed by the judge. So we can toss the ineffective counsel.

I read it wrong I was thinking you said plea options.

That they will be offered plea options but end up with LWOP anyway.

I don't want to see what happened to Angela happen to them.

 

[Betty P]

I agree 100 % about about the families and their reasons . I understand what your saying about DR. These cases have had so many twists and turns, some things we might never know and Deering accepting the state’s recommendation seems to be one of them.

I agree. I think Feeding and the state are willing to negotiate away the DP because OH has had to stop executions. No telling when that will change, if ever.

 

[Piffcat]

I agree. I think Feeding and the state are willing to negotiate away the DP because OH has had to stop executions. No telling when that will change, if ever.

However the death penalty is still harsher even if it's never used. It completely removes even a discussion of parole. Even lwop isn't 100 percent absolute. If it's my loved one knowing that would give me peace

 

[LMDlong]

I was looking over the charges against BW . From what we know from the court records so far, the forgery charge will probably be removed in a plea deal . Unless he was a witness. IMO
Does anyone know if he was involved in the forgery ?

 

[LMDlong]

However the death penalty is still harsher even if it's never used. It completely removes even a discussion of parole. Even lwop isn't 100 percent absolute. If it's my loved one knowing that would give me peace[/QUOTE
The way I understand it in JW’s case LWOP is absolute.

 

[Betty P]

I was looking over the charges against BW . From what we know from the court records so far, the forgery charge will probably be removed in a plea deal . Unless he was a witness. IMO
Does anyone know if he was involved in the forgery ?

Not that I'm aware of. Mostly, it seemed to involve Angela, her mother Rita Newcomb, possibly Jake was aware of it. IIRC, Rita said it wasn't her signature on the notarization of the papers and I think she said it was Angela who signed them.

 

[LMDlong]

Not that I'm aware of. Mostly, it seemed to involve Angela, her mother Rita Newcomb, possibly Jake was aware of it. IIRC, Rita said it wasn't her signature on the notarization of the papers and I think she said it was Angela who signed them.

Being that it was listed also for BW I don’t know how this charge would hold up in a trial unless he signed as a witness . Going to read his papers again to see how it’s worded.

 

[Cool Cats]

Being that it was listed also for BW I don’t know how this charge would hold up in a trial unless he signed as a witness . Going to read his papers again to see how it’s worded.

The custody document specifically involve Angela, George and Jake and they all would have to sign them. That if anything happens to George and Jake their children go to Angela - not to the mothers - to Angela, according to Canepa.

For this to be "legal" all would have to sign.

This was done, according to Canepa, in case George or Jake were killed by the Rhodens that night.

I think it is possible that if Billy's signature is not on the documents he has a good chance of getting this dropped.

~ Throwback to Angela's house in South Webster OH being searched summer 2018 ~

• Alleged conspiracy - Portsmouth Daily Times
• Pike County massacre: 2 properties searched, no arrests

 

[LMDlong]

The custody document specifically involve Angela, George and Jake and they all would have to sign them. That if anything happens to George and Jake their children go to Angela - not to the mothers - to Angela, according to Canepa.

For this to be "legal" all would have to sign.

This was done, according to Canepa, in case George or Jake were killed by the Rhodens that night.

I think it is possible that if Billy's signature is not on the documents he has a good chance of getting this dropped.

~ Throwback to Angela's house in South Webster OH being searched summer 2018 ~

• Alleged conspiracy - Portsmouth Daily Times
• Pike County massacre: 2 properties searched, no arrests

I just reread his charges, I don’t know if he had to take some part in the forgery or just knowing the forgery had took place .