GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66

[Covert Operative]

Remember when???

I wish the whole video interview was still available. The whole thing is available in written form still. I tried to get the whole video a while back or find out why it was not available any longer.

 

[Cool Cats]

Attorneys for Billy Wagner delay fight to get some evidence thrown out in Pike Co. case

Wednesday, November 17th 2021

WAVERLY, Ohio (WKRC) - Attorneys for Billy Wagner pushed back arguments of several motions to mid-December. Those arguments were originally expected to take place today in the Pike County courtroom.

Some of those motions dealt with ballistics and shoeprint evidence but they will now be heard at a later date.

Jake's plea includes a provision that removes the death penalty from the cases of all four family members in exchange for his testimony against the others.

Attorneys for Billy and George Wagner have said they're concerned their clients could still face the death penalty if the prosecution isn't satisfied with Jake's testimony. So, they have fought to get it officially removed.

Judge Randy Deering has already denied that motion in Billy's case. His attorneys may still try to get some of the murder charges against him modified.

They also want some of the ballistics and shoeprint evidence tossed out.

Wagner's final pre-trial hearing is set for February 1 but the prosecution and defense are set to meet privately before that in December.

A few other motions dealing with transcripts of recordings were withdrawn Wednesday as long as the prosecution turns them over.

 

[Dudly]

I wish the whole video interview was still available. The whole thing is available in written form still. I tried to get the whole video a while back or find out why it was not available any longer.

That interview is proof that sometimes it is best to not say anything...lol

 

[Piffcat]

I think the states death penalty statute has given Wagner Crime Family a huge advantage compared to other murder trials. If gw3 gw4 were paying out of pocket I'm not sure all these bs delays would be occurring. But since state picks up the tab their lawyers have free rein to file motions fight evidence delay discovery all at the cost of rhoden Gilley survivors. How many more times does Ms Geneva have to share a room with these devils? Imagine how must feel seeing someone who terrified your family, and be unsure if they will be held responsible? This charade is ridiculous enough is enough. Gw3 has overwhelming evidence against him. A prosecutors dream. Why can't we at least make forward progress for the families. 8 people lost their lives take this seriously! Rhoden family def didn't get this time to defend themselves the wagners deserve nothing

 

[Puzzles8]

What caught my ear was when Nash asked to delay ruling on several motions. He also implied some of the testimony from Billy's "co-defendants" may be in question. Nash alluded to - new events that have been discovered ( my words, paraphrasing). I can only assume that starts with the "Other Acts" implied in JW and/or AW's proffers.

Based on today's Hearing, IMO Billy's defense has become reduced to discrediting evidence and discrediting J & A's statements in their plea deals.

This is all completely IMO, JMO, etc. I have not had time to re-watch the Hearing.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I believe Ohio is in EST, time now is 11:55 am.

Yes, it's EST. Clocks fell back 1 hour on Nov 7th, iirc.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I wonder how Bad Billy is doing in jail the past 3 years, do you Sleuthers think he has the other prisoners afraid of him like he tried to do to the local people in Piketon?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I wonder how Bad Billy is doing in jail the past 3 years, do you Sleuthers think he has the other prisoners afraid of him like he tried to do to the local people in Piketon?

No locals were afraid of any Wagner. MOO JMO. Who was supposed to be afraid of him?

 

[NWLady]

Can someone please tell me if there's any video of BW in court today? (Other than just the 29 second video posted above)?

I have searched everywhere and haven't found anything else?

Thanks in advance to anyone who so kindly could help me out.

 

[Puzzles8]

Can someone please tell me if there's any video of BW in court today? (Other than just the 29 second video posted above)?

I have searched everywhere and haven't found anything else?

Thanks in advance to anyone who so kindly could help me out.

I had thought this was the complete video of today. You are right, this clip is only 29 seconds.
I have to wonder why the entire hearing has not been posted yet.
Hopefully tomorrow, otherwise I need to wonder who might be blocking the video coverage of today's hearing.

Again, IMO, JMO and etc...

 

[Johnny B Bad]

No locals were afraid of any Wagner. MOO JMO. Who was supposed to be afraid of him?

What kind of man do you think BW was in that area, BCI found out about drug trafficking, a temp/ or murder, wife abuse, stolen property, among other things, and some people still thinks the Wagners live at the foot of the cross! JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

What kind of man do you think BW was in that area, BCI found out about drug trafficking, a temp/ or murder, wife abuse, stolen property, among other things, and some people still thinks the Wagners live at the foot of the cross! JMO

With that being said, I still will say... NO LOCALS WERE AFRAID OF ANY WAGNER.
MOO JMO. No one is disputing that he was a , it's factual.

 

[NWLady]

I had thought this was the complete video of today. You are right, this clip is only 29 seconds.
I have to wonder why the entire hearing has not been posted yet.
Hopefully tomorrow, otherwise I need to wonder who might be blocking the video coverage of today's hearing.

Again, IMO, JMO and etc...

Thank you.

 

[joe jones]

when the attys go off into that side room I always have hope that another one has made a deal and will plead guilty, I guess the remaining two have nothing the state want so no deals to be made and both GW won't plead G IMO, so they are both going to have trials

 

[Covert Operative]

when the attys go off into that side room I always have hope that another one has made a deal and will plead guilty, I guess the remaining two have nothing the state want so no deals to be made and both GW won't plead G IMO, so they are both going to have trials

If a plea was offered to G4 at some time he may not have accepted it, he may have made a mistake if that is the case. I cannot imgine any deal that coud ever be offered to BW. The DP is basically off the table for both, if JW testifies truthfully according to his proffer and there is no reason to think that will not be the case.

I can somewhat see where G4 defense is trying to go but I cannot imagine what defense BW will try to use. Seems there are two different things in the case of G4 that seem to me to be one in the same. 1 - He may not have physically killed anyone. 2- Regardless, his charges will remain the same because he was a complicitor. I would be surprised if the judge dropped 1-8. I also agree the defense lawyer would not have put that in his motion if it were not information they had obtained through discovery.

I feel the the state would probably like for
G4 motion not to have to be argued in the court room publicaly and want it stricken because it has information in it that they did not and do not want on the record.

 

[altojack]

I have to wonder why the entire hearing has not been posted yet.
Hopefully tomorrow, otherwise I need to wonder who might be blocking the video coverage of today's hearing.

Again, IMO, JMO and etc...

Who could possibly block video coverage of the hearing and why? Do you have person/persons in mind?

 

[Puzzles8]

Who could possibly block video coverage of the hearing and why? Do you have person/persons in mind?

No, I've just become too darn suspicious of the W family!

 

[altojack]

No, I've just become too darn suspicious of the W family!

I'm suspicious too but my eyes couldn't move on from you wondering if there was a block to the video. I don't think anyone could do that. I could be wrong, often am.

 

[Puzzles8]

I'm suspicious too but my eyes couldn't move on from you wondering if there was a block to the video. I don't think anyone could do that. I could be wrong, often am.

The full video is still not out on yo*t*be. I realized the 29 second clip is a TV news story covering yesterday's hearing. Hopefully it will pop up in the next few days.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Attorneys for Billy Wagner delay fight to get some evidence thrown out in Pike Co. case
WKRC Wednesday, November 17th 2021

So in this article it says:

Wagner's final pre-trial hearing is set for February 1 but the prosecution and defense are set to meet privately before that in December.

This article is about Billy but Billy doesn't have a trial scheduled, unlike George, so why are they saying February is his final pre-trial?

I will take this with a grain of salt.

It looks like for all intensive purposes we are looking at 2 trials, George first.

The only reason I can think of for Billy to try to cop a plea is if Jake brings up what Billy did at George's trial. Like if Jake flat out says that his dad shot Chris/Gary/Kenny, this paints Billy into a corner, no unringing that bell.

A Wagner trial for George possibly means his ex-wife testifies if the Judge allows prior acts. Wonder how the prosecution would use her testimony in regards to George.

Am not surprised these 2 are the ones left standing.