GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66

[Cool Cats]

This might have been their very original plan and story, concocted at the original summit at FW's home, before they were arrested. The W4 might have agreed to a story back before they were arrested. They would all corroborate the story JW and AW told, so that G4 would be free to aide and abet them in a prison break or in a revenge plan.

IMO, if that was the master plan, it might be going very sideways right now....

If JW and AW's proffers turn out to be not truthful, the whole deal to get the DP off the table for the others will be invalid too.

IMO, they are playing with fire, but that's never seemed to bother them before...

I don't think they had a story for confession and guilt I think their only story was just to deny everything, to not admit any guilt at all.

They did not have their stories straight about the shoes, they were caught off guard, why? Because their plan I believe was simply to deny deny deny and deflect.

It was the Cartel, it was the Manleys, it was tips Billy was trying to give, it was people FW was trying to point to, it was monsters, they are being harrassed, they are being falsely made out as suspects, they cry over dogs and are salt of the earth country people so they couldn't have done it, everything was fine with custody, there were no problems between Hanna and Jake, FW considered them married and Angie thought of Hanna as her daughter.

This was their story. This is the story they stuck to..... UNTIL .......

Jake threw a wrench into their story by snitching and telling about what really happened that night and his information reflects the evidence BCI collected.

Jake's gun information matches the ballistic evidence BCI collected.
BCI found Jake's vehicle information to be solid.

And I think Jake gave true testimony about the:

Timeline that fits along with where they were that night.
Murder kit purchases.
What was found on the family laptop fitting the admitted spying and motive.
Suppressor in the well matching other evidence.
Buried evidence in buckets matching Jake's description of what was used and stolen that night.

All this BCI evidence dovetails with Jake's Testimony.

Angie had no chance to discuss any of this "guilty" "real" "true" "after arrest" information with Jake, she was swimming blind. Now her Testimony lines up with Jake's. This means her information also lines up with BCI's information and the evidence they obtained.

If anything, I think facts could have been left out but the Testimony given by both of them is likely quite accurate.

 

[Piffcat]

its easy to see why the wagners were so confident theyd get away with this. over and over again people discount the depth of their depravity. we are discussing a family who lived and breathed the destruction of a family they used to consider best friends. every detail and contingency was discussed analyzed decided and implemented. this did not slow down after the killings if anything it intensified. as soon as they were arrested angela and jake plotted ways to communicate with each other illegally through proxies. angela was giving her mom specific instructions on how to hurt the states case. jake spoke to angela the day of his proffer. they likely had several contingency plans depending on conditions and results. every single thing theyve done is in collaboration. it is clear jakes main objective in his proffer was to limit g4 and angelas culpability. it is blowing my mind that statements made by jake and angela are considered cooperative, truthful, or in anyway virtuous.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Hey Sleuthers, if the BCI don’t have enough evidence after JW and AW proffer than why has GW4 been in jail for over 3 years, explain that Mr Nash????
GW4 ‘s attorneys are getting paid to get him off let’s hope the jury see the truth.
Life with no mercy!

 

[sunshineray]

Boy did I miss a lot, just caught up! Can't believe that AW will only get 30 years...it angers me but if the Rhoden and Gilley families are accepting of this news it's not up to me to not accept it.

Was a transcript of what was said by AC etc ever released? I've been trying to find it with no luck. Thanks in advance if anyone can supply a link.

 

[Cool Cats]

Boy did I miss a lot, just caught up! Can't believe that AW will only get 30 years...it angers me but if the Rhoden and Gilley families are accepting of this news it's not up to me to not accept it.

Was a transcript of what was said by AC etc ever released? I've been trying to find it with no luck. Thanks in advance if anyone can supply a link.

Page #18 Post #13
Most of the Canepa Transcription and the Full Video of Angela Wagner Guilty Hearing.
OH - 8 Family Members Murdered, Pike Co., Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

Angela Wagner pleaded guilty to almost all the charges in the case, although the actual aggravated murder charges were dropped. Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk announced the plea deal included an agreed-upon total sentence of 30 years with no chance for parole or early release before that.

Angela Wagner pleads guilty to several charges in Pike Co. massacre case, but not murder

Her release date is:

November 13, 2048
Age 78

 

[sunshineray]

Page #18 Post #13
Most of the Canepa Transcription and the Full Video of Angela Wagner Guilty Hearing.
OH - 8 Family Members Murdered, Pike Co., Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

Angela Wagner pleaded guilty to almost all the charges in the case, although the actual aggravated murder charges were dropped. Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk announced the plea deal included an agreed-upon total sentence of 30 years with no chance for parole or early release before that.

Angela Wagner pleads guilty to several charges in Pike Co. massacre case, but not murder

Her release date is:

November 13, 2048
Age 78

Thanks so much CC! I got caught up in the whole Murdaugh circus and the Gabby.

Some of the charges and then all you guys here comments made it sound like AW was actually in the houses when the murders occured. Is that correct? That's what really gets me, her being there participating (but not pulling a trigger) and getting the 8 aggravated murder charges dropped. She really must be spilling her guts on all the local drug stuff.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks so much CC! I got caught up in the whole Murdaugh circus and the Gabby.

Some of the charges and then all you guys here comments made it sound like AW was actually in the houses when the murders occured. Is that correct? That's what really gets me, her being there participating (but not pulling a trigger) and getting the 8 aggravated murder charges dropped. She really must be spilling her guts on all the local drug stuff.

She was not at any of the houses, that was a misunderstanding. Was hard to hear what was said in court because it goes so fast.

Angela stayed home on Peterson Rd. and the 3 guys went out that night. Angie knew where they were going and what they were doing and talked to them when they got back.

Canepa:

The defendant's (Angela's) three co-defendants trespassed into each of the four residents where the victims were found with the intent to kill them.

They were armed with firearms at least two of which had home made silencers affixed to them.

The four conspired together in the months that led up to these offenses being fully aware of what the plan was, and all four co-defendants took part in that such as making various purchases to accomplish the goal.

She was aware the night they (Billy, George, Jake) walked out the door on April 21, 2021 of where they were going and what they were going to do ......

She had some conversations with them after the fact as well, confirming what they had done.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks so much CC! I got caught up in the whole Murdaugh circus and the Gabby.

Some of the charges and then all you guys here comments made it sound like AW was actually in the houses when the murders occured. Is that correct? That's what really gets me, her being there participating (but not pulling a trigger) and getting the 8 aggravated murder charges dropped. She really must be spilling her guts on all the local drug stuff.

George Wagner IV
Motion #73
Motion To Dismiss Aggravated Murder Counts And/Or Death Specifications

"Here, Mr Wagner is only asking the Court to dismiss Counts 1-8 (Aggravated Murder) and the related Death Specifications but reserves the right to ask the Court to dismiss the entire Case for lack of sufficient evidence at the appropriate time or for other distinct legal reasons."

1.) No DNA or other biological evidence linking him to the murders.
2.) No video recorded voluntary confession.
3.) No video recording conclusively linking him to the murders.

Recently provided Discovery makes it clear that George did NOT shoot and kill any of the victims.

"...Thus, the State seeks to hold the death penalty over the head of George Wagner who did not kill anybody while it has struck a remarkable plea bargain with the actual killer of at least 5 victims who also shot a sixth victim.

George Washington Wagner IV shot nobody.

 

[sunshineray]

George Wagner IV
Motion #73
Motion To Dismiss Aggravated Murder Counts And/Or Death Specifications

"Here, Mr Wagner is only asking the Court to dismiss Counts 1-8 (Aggravated Murder) and the related Death Specifications but reserves the right to ask the Court to dismiss the entire Case for lack of sufficient evidence at the appropriate time or for other distinct legal reasons."

1.) No DNA or other biological evidence linking him to the murders.
2.) No video recorded voluntary confession.
3.) No video recording conclusively linking him to the murders.

Recently provided Discovery makes it clear that George did NOT shoot and kill any of the victims.

"...Thus, the State seeks to hold the death penalty over the head of George Wagner who did not kill anybody while it has struck a remarkable plea bargain with the actual killer of at least 5 victims who also shot a sixth victim.

George Washington Wagner IV shot nobody.

I don't believe it, AJMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Thanks so much CC! I got caught up in the whole Murdaugh circus and the Gabby.

Some of the charges and then all you guys here comments made it sound like AW was actually in the houses when the murders occured. Is that correct? That's what really gets me, her being there participating (but not pulling a trigger) and getting the 8 aggravated murder charges dropped. She really must be spilling her guts on all the local drug stuff.

I think she ratted out a lot of big Boss Hoggs too. I think the W's have been trafficking drugs for years and she knew where all the bodies are buried. Those prior acts of Billy's where she told them who he killed/tried to kill/threatened to kill. May not be the exact words but CC that's in the transcript right?

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I think she ratted out a lot of big Boss Hoggs too. I think the W's have been trafficking drugs for years and she knew where all the bodies are buried. Those prior acts of Billy's where she told them who he killed/tried to kill/threatened to kill. May not be the exact words but CC that's in the transcript right?

JMO

The Prior Acts Evidence, filed February 22, 2021,
was admitted into evidence before Angela pled guilty and confessed to other crimes the Wagners have committed.

Basically, Angela can now tell the Prosecution the details about the Other Acts Evidence. Fill in the blanks so to speak.

From Billy's Other Acts Evidence -
1.) Arson.
2.) Theft.
3.) Threatening Angela with a gun.
4.) Allegations that Defendant has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.
5.) Drug trafficking.
6.) Mortgage fraud.
7.) Threatening Chris Sr. with a gun within a week of homicides.
8.) Having others commit crimes to cover up the Wagner's crimes.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't believe it, AJMO

I think the only reason Angie was able to negotiate a plea that dropped the 8 murder charges is because Jake confirmed that she was not at the crime scenes.

Canepa said that Angie's information matches Jake's information and Angie's information is that George did go to the homicide scenes.

So this means that it is confirmed by Jake, Angie, and now Canepa that George was at the murder scenes which means even if he did not kill anyone directly by shooting, he still was there participating and this alone makes him guilty of murder.

There just is no way the aggravated murder charges can be dropped on George. The death penalty specifications can be dropped but not the murder charges. Maybe at the most some of the 8 aggravated murder charges could be dropped but not all of them.

Just being at the aggravated murder scenes assisting with moving bodies, intimidating victins, being a lookout, being a driver, being ready to shoot in self defense, stealing/ burglarizing cameras and phones and a recording device, breaking and entering, tampering with evidence, bringing weapons/murder kit items, hiding the evidence, etc, is enough for murder charges to stick.

Expect Motion #73 to be denied by Judge Deering. At least the part where Nash wants all 8 aggravated murder charges dropped.

George Wagner IV
Motion #73
Motion To Dismiss Aggravated Murder Counts And/Or Death Specifications

 

[Cool Cats]

Tune in, in 3 weeks, to watch Judge Deering deny Motion #73. Billy lost his Motion to get the DEATH SPECIFICATIONS dropped, I think George will lose also.

George Wagner IV
MOTION HEARING Date: 10/25/2021
Time: 01:30 PM

To rule on

MOTION #73 - MOTION TO DISMISS AGGRAVATED MURDER COUNTS AND/OR DEATH SPECIFICATIONS

Pike County judge denies Billy Wagner request to remove death penalty

 

[Piffcat]

So what g4s lawyer is saying- if you kill someone there must be videotaped ev>dence. This is laughable. But puts his client present in a massacre scene where 8 people were slaughtered. Who was supposed to film this video? God honestly tgese sick people probly dod take a movie. This is insane. This guy only doing this to get tge next psychopathic family annhilitar to hire him. This goes so far past providing a competent defense. It is more akin to mafia and cartel lawyers. Uninvited Co conspirators hiding behind a law degree. Imagine how the rhodens feel. How would any of you feel? They have an inner fortitude downright amazing. The loyalty and perseverance they show deserves respect. How is it that g4s lawyer is getting attention from the media, while simultaneously ignoring one of the most horrific crimes imaginable. All 4 should die, angela most of all. Out of tgev4 if her influence didn't exist, these people would be alive still. Even discussing and debating this g4 stuff is beneath us. It's exactly what his lawyer wants for voi dire. He just needs one juror with a bone to pick. Let's not allow that and rise to tge occasion

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The Prior Acts Evidence, filed February 22, 2021,
was admitted into evidence before Angela pled guilty and confessed to other crimes the Wagners have committed.

Basically, Angela can now tell the Prosecution the details about the Other Acts Evidence. Fill in the blanks so to speak.

From Billy's Other Acts Evidence -
1.) Arson.
2.) Theft.
3.) Threatening Angela with a gun.
4.) Allegations that Defendant has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.
5.) Drug trafficking.
6.) Mortgage fraud.
7.) Threatening Chris Sr. with a gun within a week of homicides.
8.) Having others commit crimes to cover up the Wagner's crimes.
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Thank you CC. I don't what we would do on here without you.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you CC. I don't what we would do on here without you.

Don't know what we would do on here without you.

And who else would buy my swamp property? Only you! LOL ...

 

[Cool Cats]

Good article for people wanting to catch up, mentions more than usual.

Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anymore

© Provided by Law & Crime George Washington Wagner IV

 

[OhioBlues]

Good article for people wanting to catch up, mentions more than usual.

Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anymore

© Provided by Law & Crime George Washington Wagner IV

Who was the 6th person that JW supposedly shot but didn't kill? (Sorry, I am behind.)

 

[Cool Cats]

Who was the 6th person that JW supposedly shot but didn't kill? (Sorry, I am behind.)

We only just heard about it from reading the Motion, very shocking.

I would like to hear opinions on this. My opinion on it:

A .22 shell casing was found under the crib in Hanna's room and also a .22 shell casing was found in the middle of Frankie and HG's bed.

Jake was holding a .22 Walther Colt in the photo on his phone.

Also, Jake had the most connection to Hanna and her immediate family and so I believe the 5 he shot were Hanna, Chris Jr., Dana, HG, and Frankie.

Also, it appears HG and Dana were given "revenge" shots. 5 each. I believe this was Jake taking revenge towards both CG and HG for Hanna dating and having a baby with CG.
I also think Jake took revenge on Dana for all of her support of Hanna, taking her side so to speak.

So this leaves the 3 others, Gary, Chris Sr., Kenny, for the 6th shot.

It can't be Kenny because he was shot one time and if Jake did it it means Jake killed 6 people.

Gary was shot 3 times in the face and head with larger caliber bullets and if Jake shot him he would have had to use a different gun plus just one shot from Jake would have killed him.

This leaves Chris and we know Jake was there because of his shoe print and we know someone likely shot Chris from the porch because of the shell casing found on the porch, and someone shot his arm - a defensive wound, and someone shot him through a door and someone shot him in the torso, 9 shots altogether.

So with all these shots it stands to reason that Jake shot Chris. For some reason it appears that BCI, forensics likely, doesn't see Jake's shot at Chris to be a shot that killed him.

Perhaps Jake shot him in the arm and Billy or George or both shot him in the torso and head and those are considered the shots that killed him.

I think it is shocking that Jake could shoot a 6th victim but he is considered as having only killed 5 people.

This Case has twists and turns that come out of the blue and can really be perplexing. Especially coming from George's defense counsel.

 

[Piffcat]

Here's the thing this wasn't murder this was one sided gun battle. I can't see how how many p Ecole each shot or which bullet killed who. A reliable first person source does not exist- unless someone fled tge scene lived and we don't know. This level of minutia is soooo disrespectful to tge victims. On April 21 - 22 it was hell on earth on union Hill rd
A hell the wagners reveled in, celebrated. Commemorated with tattoos. And kept battle trophies. All the rest is irrelevant in reference to culpability of each .