GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66

[Cool Cats]

Ha!!! you got burned on that. I got several alligator bags, a whole set of alligator luggage and at least five pairs of alligator boots......and that doesn't even count the snake skin boots.......plus all that great gumbo and jambalaya. LOL!!!!!

Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anymore

It doesn't say that he killed any less either. lol

JMO

You own the swamp property, as in the lux dwelling, I still own the swamp wildlife. I'll take cash. What is the difference between Didn’t Kill Anymore and
killed any less?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

You own the swamp property, as in the lux dwelling, I still own the swamp wildlife. I'll take cash. What is the difference between Didn’t Kill Anymore and
killed any less?

HA!!! no way you are getting those bags.
Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anymore

You didn't catch that CC? The headline says George didn't kill anymore. It should have read he didn't kill anyone. lol That's why I said it didn't say he killed any less. Just having some fun with the media. Lol.

 

[Dudly]

Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anymore

It doesn't say that he killed any less either. lol

JMO

They worded it, did not shoot and kill nobody. That could mean he killed someone without shooting them if he didn’t do both...
They used that unusual wording for a reason.

 

[Cool Cats]

It's possible. It's also possible the state is allowing them to spin out some plot to get George 4 off, with the intention of trapping them in their own lies later on.

It's possible all of Jake's statements do align with the BCI's evidence, but I'm not 100% sure they do, nor do they have to for them to be able to send all 4 Wagners to Death Row or to prison for life.

If there's one big flaw the Wagners have always had, it's thinking they're smarter and better than everyone else. The state has proven them wrong every time.
The state is smarter than ALL of the Wagners.

George 4 and Billy's attorneys should be very, very careful in trying to pull a fast one on the prosecution.

Jake, Angela and Canepa -

1.) Have George conspiring for months about the murders.
2.) Have George leaving the house with Billy, Jake, 3 guns and at least 2 silencers.
3.) Have George at the crime scenes.
4.) Have George telling Angela what he did at the crime scenes.

If Jake and Angela wanted to say George wasn't involved they would have said the opposite -

1.) George never conspired with anyone about the murders.
2.) George never left the house that night or he was somewhere else.
3.) George was never at any of the crime scenes.
4.) George never talked about what happened at the crime scenes because he wasn't there.

 

[Cool Cats]

HA!!! no way you are getting those bags.
Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anymore

You didn't catch that CC? The headline says George didn't kill anymore. It should have read he didn't kill anyone. lol That's why I said it didn't say he killed any less. Just having some fun with the media. Lol.

Wow! I totally missed that, that really is some mistake! Makes it sound like he has killed before but not that night. They should correct it.

Reminds me of Billy:

4.) Allegations that Defendant has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.

 

[Betty P]

They worded it, did not shoot and kill nobody. That could mean he killed someone without shooting them if he didn’t do both...
They used that unusual wording for a reason.

George4's attorneys are good at playing games with words.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

JUST WHAT DID GEORGE DO THAT NIGHT AT THE RHODENS HOUSE?????
Answer that Mr Nash!

 

[Cool Cats]

JUST WHAT DID GEORGE DO THAT NIGHT AT THE RHODENS HOUSE?????
Answer that Mr Nash!

What? Didn't shoot?

1.) Aided and Assisted in 8 Homicides.
2.) Tampered with Evidence.
3.) Committed Burglary.
4.) Obstructed Justice.
5.) Participated in Murder Conspiracy.
6.) Destruction of Property.
7.) Hiding Evidence.
8.) Interference with Electronic Communications - Phone Jammers.
9.) Possession of Illegal Ordinance
10.) Trespassing.
11.) Breaking and Entering.
12.) Contributing to the Abuse and Neglect of Minors.

 

[Covert Operative]

https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...8n5l*RNM9hDUAR7SzjKIBpoSXDC*8w4TlNdt5qNsTgoFQ

09/30/2021 AMENDED JOURNAL ENTRY

George Washington Wagner, III, was present in court and was represented by his attorneys, Mark C. Collins and Thomas F. Hayes, each of whom has been appointed by the Court to represent the Defendant.

Also, present were Attorneys Kaitlyn C. Stephens and Emily Enstett, each of whom are part of the defense team, but neither of whom are attorneys appointed by the Court to represent the Defendant in the present action.

Hummm.....It seems to me that "someone" is paying for extra attorneys for Billy.

Someone seems to think he is innocent and should go to trial and has a chance to win at trial if he just has enough legal representation to assist in his defense.

One of these new attorneys was very adamantly speaking out in court that they are denying every single one of the Other Acts Evidence accusations filed against Billy which basically means they will be filing Motions to get them all thrown out.

With 2 extra attorneys on board it seems there is plenty of attention that can be devoted to this. Pretty big job if you go back and read all the Acts mentioned against Billy, included but not limited to:

Arson, Theft, Mortgage Fraud, Threatening Angela and Chris with his gun, Threatening to kill others, Drug Trafficking, Having others commit crimes to cover up his crimes etc...

So Billy gets his extra representation. Wonder if George will merit the same?

... 2 Cent Point of View ...

Each of the females are lawyers in the practice. Collins and Stephens, Hayes and Anstaett. It was Stephens whom was addressing the bad acts in court.

 

[Cool Cats]

Each of the females are lawyers in the practice. Collins and Stephens, Hayes and Anstaett. It was Stephens whom was addressing the bad acts in court.

I read it a different way, that they were not getting paid by the State but getting paid privately. I deleted my post in case I misunderstood it.

 

[Covert Operative]

I read it a different way, that they were not getting paid by the State but getting paid privately. I deleted my post in case I misunderstood it.

I have no idea how they are getting paid, they are assisting the court appointed lawyers and may be getting paid from funds from them. I was just telling you who they were which you may have known, not sure.

 

[Covert Operative]

JUST WHAT DID GEORGE DO THAT NIGHT AT THE RHODENS HOUSE?????
Answer that Mr Nash!

They are not asking that the other charges be dismissed, to me that is as good as admitting guilt to the other charges indirectly. He basically did the same as AW, except she stayed home and sent her hitmen to do the job.
Did not shoot and kill nobody is different than did not shoot or kill nobody to me. He may have got a shot off that did hit someone or indirectly hit someone or may just be the wording the defense used.

 

[sunshineray]

I don't remember 5 casings but I remember the one casing, not bullet, in the bed.

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Shell casing found in Frankie's and HG's bed in between where they were laying = Pause on 1:25:22 = Photo

The photo shows a blue gloved hand holding the casing, just the top is visible.

Scheiderer describes it as a:

"fired Remington 22 long rifle shell casing."

Scheiderer cross examination Bond Hearing:

Ballistic evidence at Chris Seniors found in living room, front porch, and bullet in dirt under house.

30 caliber rifle bullet fragments.
Metallic 7.62 cartridge - heavier weight - military style round.
Bullet fragments from a Glock 40 caliber firearm.
A casing from a 40 caliber cartridge.

Ballistic evidence at Dana's and Frankie's:

22 long rifle shell casing recovered under crib in Hanna's bedroom.
22 long rifle shell casing recovered in the middle of Frankie's and HG's bed.

@Covert Operative:

Another place in my notes about the well/cistern search it says it was a cartridge in Frankie's bed.

At Frankie's they found a 22 long rifle cartridge in bed between them.

What is the difference between a cartridge or a casing?

So was it a cartridge or a casing in the bed?

It was one or the other.

Isn't a cartridge an unfired shell and a casing what's left after firing the bullet?

 

[sunshineray]

They are not asking that the other charges be dismissed, to me that is as good as admitting guilt to the other charges indirectly. He basically did the same as AW, except she stayed home and sent her hitmen to do the job.
Did not shoot and kill nobody is different than did not shoot or kill nobody to me. He may have got a shot off that did hit someone or indirectly hit someone or may just be the wording the defense used.

I think it was GW4 who shot through the trailer front door area, the rifle with military ammo and also accounting for the one found under the trailer. He most likely and at the least wounded CRSR probably more than once AJMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Isn't a cartridge an unfired shell and a casing what's left after firing the bullet?

I think so, I only know from looking it up. Someone on here who actually is experienced with firearms would know. Good question.


A modern round consists of the following:
1. bullet, as the projectile;
2. cartridge case, which holds all parts together;
3. propellant, for example gunpowder or cordite;
4. rim, which provides the extractor on the firearm a place to grip the casing to remove it from the chamber once fired;
5. primer, which ignites the propellant.
Cartridges can be categorized by the type of their primers – a small charge of an impact- or electric-

Cartridge (firearms) - Wikipedia

 

[Covert Operative]

Isn't a cartridge an unfired shell and a casing what's left after firing the bullet?

Yes cartridge is an unfired bullet and casing is left from a fired bullet.

 

[altojack]

The talk of casing, cartridge, used or not makes my spine tingle.

The very thought that there was a 6 month old baby in bed between its parents. This child could have choked and died if that cartridge, casing or whatever went into his mouth.

 

[Dudly]

They are not asking that the other charges be dismissed, to me that is as good as admitting guilt to the other charges indirectly. He basically did the same as AW, except she stayed home and sent her hitmen to do the job.
Did not shoot and kill nobody is different than did not shoot or kill nobody to me. He may have got a shot off that did hit someone or indirectly hit someone or may just be the wording the defense used.

I agree. The wording they used is suspicious to me. I don’t know what they are trying to convey.
They could have kept it simple and said, GWIV did not shoot anyone nor kill anyone... But, they chose to confuse their meaning...

 

[Berrybell]

They are not asking that the other charges be dismissed, to me that is as good as admitting guilt to the other charges indirectly. He basically did the same as AW, except she stayed home and sent her hitmen to do the job.
Did not shoot and kill nobody is different than did not shoot or kill nobody to me. He may have got a shot off that did hit someone or indirectly hit someone or may just be the wording the defense used.

I take it as he did not fire a "kill shot".

 

[Covert Operative]

I take it as he did not fire a "kill shot".

Yes it sounds as though he did not kill anyone but he could have shot someone or got a shot off or not shot at all.

I believe G4 had the SKS when they entered the home and BW had the Glock. G4 may have been known as a Glock man but in Bond hearing they said the SKS was on the list as G4 gun. We know BW probably liked Glock's also from the road rage incident he was in.

At some point it seems something may have happened and the gun G4 had was in someone else's hand or at least according to what we knowor what JW may have said it sounds like possibly something happened with the guns.