GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66

[Covert Operative]

Angela gets 30 years total with no probation plus she pled guilty to 14 charges all part of the 8 murders conspiracy. The 3 families seem to feel this helps bring the justice they need and accepted this deal.

Angela has 27 more years to sit in prison with no early release and the more I think about it the more I understand the families accepting this deal.

I do not think the families will accept this deal of 30 years for George 4. I think they will want him to get LWOP. Just my thought on it. I can't picture the families wanting George to get out when he is just in his late 50's.

A family member spoke to the media angrily saying Angela was not sorry and 30 years is more than what her family was given.

That anger makes it obvious to me that George is going to end up with LWOP. Remember, the families have to OK any plea deals.

George back in handcuffs and prison clothes after his April 28th Hearing, his first Hearing after Jake's guilty plea.
https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/sta...s-confession-to-rhoden-murders?_amp=trueApril

Here is what I think will happen with George:

George will go to trial plain and simple. Even if George were offered Angie's deal, and I do not see this happening, but even if he were, he would not take it and he would go to trial.

He doesn't want any prison time period. He has already tried to get Bond twice, against all odds.

See, if George were interested in some type of deal he would have already taken it by now - it's been 3 years! Way long enough to go over deals with his attorneys and mull over and over in his cell alone - with the Bible he says he reads.

Smoke and mirrors, red herrings, that's what all this business of "didn't shoot nobody" reminds me of. This guy George was at the UHR crime scenes, even possibly on Left Fork Rd., and will in the end get the book and kitchen sink thrown at him.

I did not realize that families have to ok plea deals. I thought they had to be informed , possibly discussed with them and could provide input but I did not realize victims or the families had to approve the plea deal in most states. I know Ohio has Marsy's law but I did not know it directed that families had to agree or approve a plea deal. It is better if the prosecution has their blessing because that would be a hard place to be in. Glad you brought that up, I am interested in how that works.

 

[IType]

As someone who helped plan and carry out the murder of 8 innocent people, GW4 won't and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near his children. Rebuilding what kind of a relationship? Why should this child be burdened with maintaining a relationship with a mass murderer? He's already going to live the rest of his life with the stigma of being related to him.

Children's needs should be first and foremost and that means not being parented by a mass murderer.


As for GW4's grandmother, she could care less about any of her great grandchildren. It doesn't appear she tried to have any relationship with them in the past, why now? She just wants free labor to run her "farm".

You have misunderstood what I am saying. I'll try to clarify.

First, I am not speaking of GW4's child now. I am referring to motion 73 in GW4's case claiming he did not shoot and kill anyone. IMO, GW4 is trying to get a deal similar to AW's so that 30 years down the road he could try to have a relationship with his son, if and only if his son (as an adult) would allow it.

No one on this Earth knows what GW4's son--or JW's daughter, for that matter--will want to do in reference to having or not having a relationship with his father when said child becomes an adult. When those two youngsters become adults, they will make their own choices. They may want absolutely nothing to do with their fathers. Or, it's possible they may want to make contact with their fathers at some point just to tell them what monsters they are and how their lives were ruined by these murderous acts. They may want to have some correspondence with their fathers but not ever see them face to face. It is impossible for us, or anyone, to tell at this point what they will want once they become adults.

As for your comment regarding GW4's grandmother and the future of her farm, I said nothing about GW4's son running the farm or being involved in it in any fashion. My direct quote (BBM): "BUT GW4 would also be young enough to run his grandmother's farm. I think that is her main concern in all of this, not her love for GW4. She and her husband built this farm up and she wants to be sure someone will be there to run it after she and her daughter are gone. JMO"

I am not referring to FWF having cheap labor. I am referring to my opinion that FW is pushing GW4's attorneys to get him out of jail/prison as soon as possible in order to run her farm when she and her daughter can no longer do the job. If he would get a deal similar to his mother's, he would only be in his 50's when he got out, plenty young enough to still run things.

I was born into a multigenerational farm on both sides of my family. I understand all too well the natural hierarchy that comes along with proud farm owners. On my mom's side, my first cousin and his son are the 5th and 6th consecutive generation to farm our family's land. IMO, I feel very confident in stating that FW wants absolutely no one but a true Wagner to run her farm when she and her daughter can no longer run it.

Granted, she has grandchildren other than GW4 and JW. Hopefully GW4 will spend the rest of his life behind bars and his grandmother will have to find another solution. However, AW gave AC (loosely quoted here) information about other crimes committed by her (AW's) family (see media and timeline thread transcript of AC's comments for the exact wording). If any of that information incriminates the W family beyond BW, GW4 and JW, IMO it's possible there could be no farm left to run.

Just my opinion.

 

[Betty P]

You have misunderstood what I am saying. I'll try to clarify.

First, I am not speaking of GW4's child now. I am referring to motion 73 in GW4's case claiming he did not shoot and kill anyone. IMO, GW4 is trying to get a deal similar to AW's so that 30 years down the road he could try to have a relationship with his son, if and only if his son (as an adult) would allow it.

No one on this Earth knows what GW4's son--or JW's daughter, for that matter--will want to do in reference to having or not having a relationship with his father when said child becomes an adult. When those two youngsters become adults, they will make their own choices. They may want absolutely nothing to do with their fathers. Or, it's possible they may want to make contact with their fathers at some point just to tell them what monsters they are and how their lives were ruined by these murderous acts. They may want to have some correspondence with their fathers but not ever see them face to face. It is impossible for us, or anyone, to tell at this point what they will want once they become adults.

As for your comment regarding GW4's grandmother and the future of her farm, I said nothing about GW4's son running the farm or being involved in it in any fashion. My direct quote (BBM): "BUT GW4 would also be young enough to run his grandmother's farm. I think that is her main concern in all of this, not her love for GW4. She and her husband built this farm up and she wants to be sure someone will be there to run it after she and her daughter are gone. JMO"

I am not referring to FWF having cheap labor. I am referring to my opinion that FW is pushing GW4's attorneys to get him out of jail/prison as soon as possible in order to run her farm when she and her daughter can no longer do the job. If he would get a deal similar to his mother's, he would only be in his 50's when he got out, plenty young enough to still run things.

I was born into a multigenerational farm on both sides of my family. I understand all too well the natural hierarchy that comes along with proud farm owners. On my mom's side, my first cousin and his son are the 5th and 6th consecutive generation to farm our family's land. IMO, I feel very confident in stating that FW wants absolutely no one but a true Wagner to run her farm when she and her daughter can no longer run it.

Granted, she has grandchildren other than GW4 and JW. Hopefully GW4 will spend the rest of his life behind bars and his grandmother will have to find another solution. However, AW gave AC (loosely quoted here) information about other crimes committed by her (AW's) family (see media and timeline thread transcript of AC's comments for the exact wording). If any of that information incriminates the W family beyond BW, GW4 and JW, IMO it's possible there could be no farm left to run.

Just my opinion.

Thank you for clarifying your position. If it helps, I didn't assume you thought GW4 should be allowed to raise his own child if he ever is released before the child's age of consent. But I did express my opinion on that thorny issue, as it's been discussed here.

We need to be cognizant of the extreme risk in GW4's attorneys waging a media campaign to exonerate him and win an acquittal. Some folks don't fully understand the potential for this to happen, nor that complete acquittal may be the goal for GW4's attorneys.

I also didn't assume you thought FW wanted an acquittal for GW4 so he could help run the farm or business. (I don't think there's any factual, current information about what kind of farming or animal husbandry is taking place there.) The prospect of FW working to secure GW4's release for that purpose has been discussed. JMO, it's a likely scenario.

Did we ever determine who is paying for the two women who are assisting GW4's attorneys in this case? In court filings, Nash states that the state is not paying for their salaries. It would be interesting to know who is.

 

[IType]

With regard to Marsy's Law, I found this (link below). It doesn't specifically say that victims have to agree to a plea deal but does say that they have to be allowed to provide input before the deal is done:

Marsy’s Law for Ohio grants these basic constitutional rights to crime victims: 1.) The right to be treated with respect, fairness and dignity throughout the criminal justice process. 2.) The right to information about the rights and services available to crime victims. 3.) The right to notification in a timely manner of major proceedings and developments in the case. Also, the right to be notified of all changes to an offender’s status. 4.) The right to be present at court proceedings and provide input to a prosecutor before a plea deal is struck. 5.) The right to be heard at pleas or sentence proceedings or any process that may grant an offender’s release. 6.) The right to restitution. Marsy’s Law for Ohio does not: 1.) Marsy’s Law does not impact the rights of the accused. It only ensures that victims have the same rights as the accused – nothing more, nothing less. 2.) Marsy’s Law does not make a victim a party to a case. The victim’s role in a criminal case will not change, they are simply a person with certain rights. The prosecutor remains in control of the case and handles all decision-making in the prosecution of the crime. 3.) Marsy’s Law does not cause unnecessary delays in the criminal process. Both California and Illinois have fully integrated the rights found in Marsy’s Law into their legal systems without disruption.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJsPb2kdfzAhVQnGoFHTWzBiMQFnoECDEQAw&url=https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/Boards/Sentencing/Materials/2017/March/marsysLawFactSheet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0ngAEIukV5q4Vdeh70HZdz

I found this definition of what a victim is according to Marsy's Law (link below):

Who is a victim under Marsy's Law?
The model amendment states that the Marsy's Law definition of victim includes both the person directly harmed by a crime and "any spouse, parent, grandparent, child, sibling, grandchild, or guardian, and any person with a relationship to the victim that is substantially similar to a listed relationship."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiJsPb2kdfzAhVQnGoFHTWzBiMQFnoECCcQAw&url=https://ballotpedia.org/Marsy%27s_Law_crime_victim_rights&usg=AOvVaw2MnfjnSA7IwaWyXX-61VVg

Edited by me to add: Does anyone know if there is a verified expert with regard to laws in Ohio that could clarify this? Specifically with respect to whether victims have to actually approve a plea deal or that they just have to be notified of the deal being considered and provide their input?

 

[IType]

Thank you for clarifying your position. If it helps, I didn't assume you thought GW4 should be allowed to raise his own child if he ever is released before the child's age of consent. But I did express my opinion on that thorny issue, as it's been discussed here.

We need to be cognizant of the extreme risk in GW4's attorneys waging a media campaign to exonerate him and win an acquittal. Some folks don't fully understand the potential for this to happen, nor that complete acquittal may be the goal for GW4's attorneys.

I also didn't assume you thought FW wanted an acquittal for GW4 so he could help run the farm or business. (I don't think there's any factual, current information about what kind of farming or animal husbandry is taking place there.) The prospect of FW working to secure GW4's release for that purpose has been discussed. JMO, it's a likely scenario.

Did we ever determine who is paying for the two women who are assisting GW4's attorneys in this case? In court filings, Nash states that the state is not paying for their salaries. It would be interesting to know who is.

It's all good.

As for knowing who is paying the two women assisting GW4's attorneys, it would be very interesting indeed. IMO

 

[Covert Operative]

With regard to Marsy's Law, I found this (link below). It doesn't specifically say that victims have to agree to a plea deal but does say that they have to be allowed to provide input before the deal is done:

Marsy’s Law for Ohio grants these basic constitutional rights to crime victims: 1.) The right to be treated with respect, fairness and dignity throughout the criminal justice process. 2.) The right to information about the rights and services available to crime victims. 3.) The right to notification in a timely manner of major proceedings and developments in the case. Also, the right to be notified of all changes to an offender’s status. 4.) The right to be present at court proceedings and provide input to a prosecutor before a plea deal is struck. 5.) The right to be heard at pleas or sentence proceedings or any process that may grant an offender’s release. 6.) The right to restitution. Marsy’s Law for Ohio does not: 1.) Marsy’s Law does not impact the rights of the accused. It only ensures that victims have the same rights as the accused – nothing more, nothing less. 2.) Marsy’s Law does not make a victim a party to a case. The victim’s role in a criminal case will not change, they are simply a person with certain rights. The prosecutor remains in control of the case and handles all decision-making in the prosecution of the crime. 3.) Marsy’s Law does not cause unnecessary delays in the criminal process. Both California and Illinois have fully integrated the rights found in Marsy’s Law into their legal systems without disruption.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJsPb2kdfzAhVQnGoFHTWzBiMQFnoECDEQAw&url=https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/Boards/Sentencing/Materials/2017/March/marsysLawFactSheet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0ngAEIukV5q4Vdeh70HZdz

I found this definition of what a victim is according to Marsy's Law (link below):

Who is a victim under Marsy's Law?
The model amendment states that the Marsy's Law definition of victim includes both the person directly harmed by a crime and "any spouse, parent, grandparent, child, sibling, grandchild, or guardian, and any person with a relationship to the victim that is substantially similar to a listed relationship."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiJsPb2kdfzAhVQnGoFHTWzBiMQFnoECCcQAw&url=https://ballotpedia.org/Marsy%27s_Law_crime_victim_rights&usg=AOvVaw2MnfjnSA7IwaWyXX-61VVg

Edited by me to add: Does anyone know if there is a verified expert with regard to laws in Ohio that could clarify this? Specifically with respect to whether victims have to actually approve a plea deal or that they just have to be notified of the deal being considered and provide their input?

I am fairly confident that the victim nor family have to approve a plea deal in Ohio. There may be a state or a couple of states where that applies but not many. Many cases would never be settled if the family had to approve the deals every time is what I think.

 

[Betty P]

With regard to Marsy's Law, I found this (link below). It doesn't specifically say that victims have to agree to a plea deal but does say that they have to be allowed to provide input before the deal is done:

Marsy’s Law for Ohio grants these basic constitutional rights to crime victims: 1.) The right to be treated with respect, fairness and dignity throughout the criminal justice process. 2.) The right to information about the rights and services available to crime victims. 3.) The right to notification in a timely manner of major proceedings and developments in the case. Also, the right to be notified of all changes to an offender’s status. 4.) The right to be present at court proceedings and provide input to a prosecutor before a plea deal is struck. 5.) The right to be heard at pleas or sentence proceedings or any process that may grant an offender’s release. 6.) The right to restitution. Marsy’s Law for Ohio does not: 1.) Marsy’s Law does not impact the rights of the accused. It only ensures that victims have the same rights as the accused – nothing more, nothing less. 2.) Marsy’s Law does not make a victim a party to a case. The victim’s role in a criminal case will not change, they are simply a person with certain rights. The prosecutor remains in control of the case and handles all decision-making in the prosecution of the crime. 3.) Marsy’s Law does not cause unnecessary delays in the criminal process. Both California and Illinois have fully integrated the rights found in Marsy’s Law into their legal systems without disruption.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJsPb2kdfzAhVQnGoFHTWzBiMQFnoECDEQAw&url=https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/Boards/Sentencing/Materials/2017/March/marsysLawFactSheet.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0ngAEIukV5q4Vdeh70HZdz

I found this definition of what a victim is according to Marsy's Law (link below):

Who is a victim under Marsy's Law?
The model amendment states that the Marsy's Law definition of victim includes both the person directly harmed by a crime and "any spouse, parent, grandparent, child, sibling, grandchild, or guardian, and any person with a relationship to the victim that is substantially similar to a listed relationship."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiJsPb2kdfzAhVQnGoFHTWzBiMQFnoECCcQAw&url=https://ballotpedia.org/Marsy%27s_Law_crime_victim_rights&usg=AOvVaw2MnfjnSA7IwaWyXX-61VVg

That's a nice law. It appears the prosecution can, if they choose, go a step further by securing the surviving family members' consent for any plea deal they offer the killers. Prosecutor Angela Canepa stated in court that she honors their wishes.

That said, none of that applies if Nash and his team go for acquittal and succeed. There's really no middle ground, as far AFAIK. AC can offer a fair plea deal based on extensive evidence of GW4's active participation in the planning, execution and cover up of the murders. If he refuses and goes to trial, there's a chance one stray juror can set him free. Apparently, that is the goal of Nash and his team.

JMO, it's very sad that Nash feels the need to disrespect the victims family in such a public and abusive manner. It says a lot about him and GW4 that they want to apply so much pressure on the surviving Rhodens, Manleys and Gilleys, subjecting them to the long agony of a trial (after 3 years of pre-trial hearings). I wonder why they dislike the victims and their families so much?

GW4's behavior in this process makes me realize how much of a sociopathic monster that he really is, including his disrespect for Ms. Geneva Rhoden.

We can probably say the same about his father, Billy, since he's also behaving in such a hostile and abusive manner, even after his son and wife have confessed to the murders.

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

It's all good.

As for knowing who is paying the two women assisting GW4's attorneys, it would be very interesting indeed. IMO

The two women are assisting in G3 case, not G4. One is a lawyer in the office of Collins and one is a lawyer in the office of Hayes. Lawyers that are in practice with each other assist the others many times.

 

[Covert Operative]

Mod Note:

Questions have been reported on the acceptability of discussing the possibility that George Wagner IV may not have shot any victims. Given the excerpt below from the attached article, it is determined this is a permitted line of discussion.

Excerpt:
In the paperwork filed Friday, defense attorneys Richard Nash Jr. and John Parker write that the written and recorded confessions of the others make it clear “that George Washington Wagner IV did NOT shoot and kill any of the victims.”

Pike County Rhoden case: George Wagner IV attorneys say he shot no one

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Betty P]

I still maintain that GW4 doesn't deserve sympathy, kindness or forgiveness. All of those are required to overlook his horrible crimes and agree to let him off with a slap on the wrist or an acquittal.

JMO, but he and his father are monsters and toxic narcissists. They feel justified in bullying victims surviving family members and abusing the criminal justice system by continuing to insist they are innocent and/or should not be punished.

Sadly, some of the defense attorneys agree with them, not just to defend their rights, but to work passionately and deceptively to win their acquittal.

Sorry, I just can't go for that.

JMO

 

[IType]

The two women are assisting in G3 case, not G4. One is a lawyer in the office of Collins and one is a lawyer in the office of Hayes. Lawyers that are in practice with each other assist the others many times.

Gotcha, thanks!

 

[Johnny B Bad]

So the defense attorneys for GW4 said that he did not kill anyone the night of the murders, but the defense attorney didn’t say that GW4 held a gun on the victim’s while they laid in their beds asleep to make sure nobody could escape while Jake shot and killed 5 people !!! JMO
We Will Hear The Truth Very Soon!
I want to know just what did George Wagner iv do the night of the Rhodens/Gilley murders, was he the one that covered CHSr up with a blanket so he didn’t have to look at him.

 

[Cool Cats]

So the defense attorneys for GW4 said that he did not kill anyone the night of the murders, but the defense attorney didn’t say that GW4 held a gun on the victim’s while they laid in their beds asleep to make sure nobody could escape while Jake shot and killed 5 people !!! JMO
We Will Hear The Truth Very Soon!
I want to know just what did George Wagner iv do the night of the Rhodens/Gilley murders, was he the one that covered CHSr up with a blanket so he didn’t have to look at him.

Yes if Chris was covered George could have done it, also, George could have helped pull Gary's body through the house before dropping him over Chris's legs because <modsnip - no link to who the shoe print belonged to>.

2 left footprints one size 10.5 and one size 11 were left at the scene. These prints match the shoes Angela says she bought for George and Jake.

According to Angela, whose story matches Jake's, all 3 of Angela's co-defendants left Peterson Rd. that night to go out to do the 8 murders, this includes George. It was clear to Angie what they (George) were going to do that night and they (George) told her about it after they returned.

Yes we will find out George did plenty that night. George was heavily involved up to his eyeballs that night in my opinion. Here is just a "few" things that come to mind regarding his involvement that night:

1.) Assisting with moving bodies.
2.) Intimidating victins.
3.) Being a lookout.
4.) Being a driver.
5.) Carrying a firearm.
6.) Burglary-Theft of cameras and phones and a recording device.
7.) Breaking and entering.
8.) Tampering with evidence.
9.) Hiding the evidence at FWF.
10.) Destruction of property.
11.) Participating in Murder Conspiracy.
12.) Trespassing.
13.) Possession of Dangerous Ordinance.
14.) Interference with Electronic Communications - Phone Jammers.
15.) Obstructed Justice.
16.) Aided and Assisted in 8 Homicides.
17.) In possession of murder kit items.
18.) Child Endangerment.

 

[Dudly]

Yes if Chris was covered George could have done it, also, George could have helped pull Gary's body through the house before dropping him over Chris's legs because <modsnip>
2 left footprints one size 10.5 and one size 11 were left at the scene. These prints match the shoes Angela says see he bought for George and Jake.

According to Angela, whose story matches Jake, all 3 of Angela's co-defendants left Peterson Rd. that night to go out to do the 8 murders, this includes George. It was clear to Angie what they (George) were going to do that night and they (George) told her about it after they returned.

Yes we will find out George did plenty that night. George was heavily involved up to his eyeballs that night in my opinion. Here is just a few things that come to mind regarding his involvement that night:

1.) Assisting with moving bodies.
2.) Intimidating victins.
3.) Being a lookout.
4.) Being a driver.
5.) Carrying a firearm.
6.) Burglary-Theft of cameras and phones and a recording device.
7.) Breaking and entering.
8.) Tampering with evidence.
9.) Hiding the evidence at FWF.
10.) Destruction of property.
11.) Participating in Murder Conspiracy.
12.) Trespassing.
13.) Possession of Dangerous Ordinance.
14.) Interference with Electronic Communications - Phone Jammers.
15.) Obstructed Justice.
16.) Aided and Assisted in 8 Homicides.
17.) In possession of murder kit items.

Add: Child Endangerment.

 

[Cool Cats]

Add: Child Endangerment.

√ = Added
#18. Child Endangerment

 

[Covert Operative]

So the defense attorneys for GW4 said that he did not kill anyone the night of the murders, but the defense attorney didn’t say that GW4 held a gun on the victim’s while they laid in their beds asleep to make sure nobody could escape while Jake shot and killed 5 people !!! JMO
We Will Hear The Truth Very Soon!
I want to know just what did George Wagner iv do the night of the Rhodens/Gilley murders, was he the one that covered CHSr up with a blanket so he didn’t have to look at him.

The intent was certainly there to kill whether he did or not. Not sure if that will make a difference down the road in a plea deal, trial or to a jury. So far the defense is not stating in the motion that he is not guilty of the other things.

 

[Covert Operative]

Rhoden Task force was honored and it list it in this article. Yost honors the Best of Ohio Law Enforcement at 2021 Conference - The Highland County Press

Pike County Rhoden Murder Task Force

In the five years after eight members of the Rhoden family were killed in Pike County, local and state investigators poured thousands of hours into finding those responsible. More than 1,100 tips were cleared; 500 interviews completed; 700 pieces of evidence tested; and 500 subpoenas, search warrants and court orders requested.

The dogged efforts led investigators to suspect and arrest another family: the Wagners, who had lived in Pike County at the time of the murders and then moved to Alaska.

In the spring, Jake Wagner, 28, pleaded guilty to all eight murders, including that of the 19-year-old mother of his daughter. Jake, who will spend the rest of his life in prison, has been cooperating with prosecutors and confirmed that the heinous plot was sparked by a custody dispute.

And last month, his mother, Angela Wagner, also pleaded guilty for her role in plotting the massacre. Her son George Wagner IV and her husband, George “Billy” Wagner, are awaiting trial.

Members of the task force include:

Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation

Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer (lead agent)

Special Agent Supervisor Kevin Barbeau

Special Agent Jennifer Comisford

Special Agent Supervisor Roger Davis

Forensic Scientist Suzanne Elliott

Criminal Intelligence Analyst Julia Eveslage

Criminal Intelligence Supervisor Dana Forney

Special Agent Todd Fortner

Special Agent James Gore

Special Agent Shane Hanshaw

Special Agent Chadwick Holcomb

Special Agent Jonathan Jenkins

Special Agent Supervisor William Jones

Forensic Accountant Michael Kaizar

Victim Advocate Cindy Kuhr

Criminal Intelligence Analyst Jennifer Lester

Special Agent James Mulford

Special Agent Perry Roeser

Special Agent Supervisor Justin Root

DNA Lab Director Kristen Slaper

Special Agent Richard Ward

Forensic Scientist Matthew White

Formerly of BCI/Attorney General’s Office

Special Agent Stephfon Daniels

Special Agent Scott Fitch

Special Agent Seth Hagaman

Assistant Superintendent Karen Huey

Special Agent Cornelius McGrady

Computer Forensic Analyst Jonathan Robbins

Superintendent Thomas Stickrath

Special Agent-in-Charge Benjamin Suver

Special Agent Supervisor Michael Trout

Special Agent Bryan White

Deputy Attorney General for Law Enforcement Stephen Schumaker

Local Sheriff’s Offices

Maj. Alan Lewis (co-lead investigator) — Ross County, formerly of Pike County

Maj. Timothy Dickerson — formerly of Pike County

Prosecution

Lead Prosecutor Angie Canepa

Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk

Assistant Prosecutor Andy Wilson

 

[Betty P]

Please accept my sincere apology for not posting "JMO" in my earlier post.

I stated that, in my opinion, GW4's defense counsel is likely to try the same tactics with some of his other criminal charges that they're using to refute his murder charges. JMO

First, JMO, the proffers of Jake Wagner and his mother Angela Wagner have not been made available to the news media nor to the public. JMO

proffer jake wagner rhoden murders - Google Search

Below are links to Google searches regarding prosecutors Angela Canepa and Rob Junk stating in the news media that GW4 didn't commit murder

Prosecutor rhoden murders George Wagner did not kill - Google Search

GW4's defense, in motions filed, claims that in his proffer (which hasn't been made public), that Jake claimed that GW4 didn't kill any of the 8 members of the Rhoden family. JMO

As members of the public, we have no proof of that, but most tend to believe it because they're reading it in the news and on social media. JMO

Lawyers for George Wagner IV want murder charges dismissed | 10tv.com

In older vernacular, JMO, this is called "trying your case in the newspapers". Some refer to it as "tainting the jury pool" or giving false or slanted information to the public. It's an old tactic used by defense attorneys. JMO

Given the success GW4's defense team is having in getting some of the public to believe and spread information about his GW4's guilt, JMO, it seems very possible they will continue to do the same thing with the other criminal charges relating to the Rhoden/Gilley Massacre. JMO

They may, however, consider proceeding carefully as JMO, it would appear they're close to violating Judge Deering's gag order. My opinion is based on the fact that most of the details of Jake and Angela Wagner's proffers have not been released to the public or the news media. JMO

For GW4's attorneys to continue making allegations about GW4's participation in the massacre and claiming they are fact, based on the currently redacted proffers seems problematic, to say the least. JMO

Definition of a gag order

https://dictionary.law.com/default.aspx?selected=802

"..,A judge's order prohibiting the attorneys and the parties to a pending lawsuit or criminal prosecution from talking to the media or the public about the case. The supposed intent is to prevent prejudice due to pre-trial publicity which would influence potential jurors. A gag order has the secondary purpose of preventing the lawyers from trying the case in the press and on television, and thus creating a public mood (which could get ugly) in favor of one party or the other."
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BBM

Wagner Family Arraigned & Gag Order issued in Pike County Massacre - American Crime Journal |

"Police have released few details since arresting members of Wagner Family for murdering seven members of the Rhoden family and Hannah Gilley. We did learn a few more details since last week’s arraignment hearings for three of the Wagners. Judge Randy Deering who presided over the hearings also issued a gag order for the Pike County Massacre." BBM​

JMO, GW4's defense attorneys will pursue acquittal on all the charges he's facing, any way they can. It would appear they have no reservations about seeing GW4 released from jail and returned to live in the community, in spite of the fact he participated in the murders of 8 innocent people. JMO


IANAL

JMO

 

[Piffcat]

As someone who helped plan and carry out the murder of 8 innocent people, GW4 won't and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near his children. Rebuilding what kind of a relationship? Why should this child be burdened with maintaining a relationship with a mass murderer? He's already going to live the rest of his life with the stigma of being related to him.

Children's needs should be first and foremost and that means not being parented by a mass murderer.


As for GW4's grandmother, she could care less about any of her great grandchildren. It doesn't appear she tried to have any relationship with them in the past, why now? She just wants free labor to run her "farm".

Could not agree more. Where does g4 his lawyer and <modsnip>? Reestablish relationship with his son! Brently Ruger Chris Jr Frankie Gary Chris sr kenny they were all someone's son and or father! Let's talk about them not this pathetic lemming g4. He ll show his true face before this is over. Hope tgey get him on stand where his rage and arrogance can be displayed. These wags put their people mask on well don't mistake this for humanity they have ZERO

 

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