GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66

[RAISINISBACK]

canepa should put you on the defense team! concise, to the point, powerful without being overboard. i truly hope the jurors, judge, and prosecutors share your deductive reasoning. it is unbelievable how many people hAve underestimated the wagner crime familys propensity for violence and corruption. most cant think like a savage, but you have to be able to predict their motives and tactics based on past behavior. the knife is a powerful example of this underestimation. bless the hearts of those who firmly believe it was used as a hardware tool for cameras etc. b3 only speaks one language, and thats brutal violence. imo to this day he still gets satisfaction replaying that night in his head. this was his masterpiece. too dumb to plan it, but very much evil enough to commit these acts.

accepting angelas proffer was the worst thing the state could have done. while they believed it would verify jakes statements against his codefendants, it was actually cementing planted information meant to exonerate g4 from the worst charges. b3 has no chance, sure he knows that. to someone like g3 this is still an acceptable outcome. in his mind it was worth it to destroy crsrs family. hell gladly take the weight, because it comes with the credit. look at his tattoos. they may as well be a campaign billboard for white supremacy organizations in prison. thanks for putting this out there well done

Thank you. Well done on your posts also. I have been impressed many times with your deductive reasoning.

JMO

 

[IType]

11/19/2021
MOTION NO. 75 MOTION TO ORDER THE PIKE COUNTY SHERIFF, TRACY D EVANS, TO TRANSPORT EDWARD JACOB WAGNER TO THIS COURT FOR A MOTION HEARING SET AT 9:00AM ON DECEMBER 22, 2021
FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

11/19/2021
SUBPOENA ISSUED PCSO FOR TRANSPORT OF INMATE EDWARD JACOB WAGNER TO HEARING ON DECEMBER 22, 2021 AT 9:00AM

Wow. So Jake might be testifying at George's Hearing, why else would he be there?

12/22/2021 09:00 AM MOTION HEARING - George Wagner IV

George's attorneys have subpoenaed him so maybe they think he will help get George's murder charges dropped or DP dropped.

George's attorneys want to get the DP and 8 aggravated murder charges dropped for George because they say he did not shoot or kill anyone.

So then Jake might be saying yes or no to that and we may find out how involved George really is.

IMO this motion will be denied, just as the motion filed by GW4's team requesting (by subpoena?) JW's medical records was denied. Also IMO the prosecution will be filing a response asking for denial of the motion and for the subpoena to be quashed.

Surely the judge would not allow JW's testimony to be given before the trial... would he? Hopefully not, but I guess anything is possible.

IMO this is just another ploy by GW4'S team to try their case in the media (I think that's the right phrase) because they don't think they can win at trial. All JMO

 

[Dudly]

IMO this motion will be denied, just as the motion filed by GW4's team requesting (by subpoena?) JW's medical records was denied. Also IMO the prosecution will be filing a response asking for denial of the motion and for the subpoena to be quashed.

Surely the judge would not allow JW's testimony to be given before the trial... would he? Hopefully not, but I guess anything is possible.

IMO this is just another ploy by GW4'S team to try their case in the media (I think that's the right phrase) because they don't think they can win at trial. All JMO

Very possible that it will be requested to be denied by Prosecution.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I probably won't live to get to watch it, but I will be cheering you all on from where ever I am. At least I got to see two of them go down.

JMO

Raisinback
If something was to happen to you (not saying it is) but if it does and when you wake up in heaven, Dana will tell you the true story, be well and god bless you my friend, JohnnyB.

 

[Cool Cats]

I probably won't live to get to watch it, but I will be cheering you all on from where ever I am. At least I got to see two of them go down.

I don't know how to say what I'm feeling so will let Johnny speak for me, I like what he said below:

Raisinback
If something was to happen to you (not saying it is) but if it does and when you wake up in heaven, Dana will tell you the true story, be well and god bless you my friend, JohnnyB.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Real life will be keeping me from enjoying reading and posting for a while here. So from my home to yours, I wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving. Stay safe and think of me as you all stuff your bellies.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I probably won't live to get to watch it, but I will be cheering you all on from where ever I am. At least I got to see two of them go down.

JMO

And who could ask for a better cheerleader?
You'll be here Raisin, I just know it and you know I'm seldom wrong , and I won't be this time. BIG HUGS.

 

[Cool Cats]

I am believing you. The R's might have some friends behind the fence.

Federal Fence.

In Billy's April 28, 2021 Discovery there are 2 Federal Inmate Information Requests:

Daniel W--- Request for inmate transactions (7-5-16) (1p)
Tracy B--- Request for inmate transactions (7-5-16) (1p)

Humm...What were the Wagners doing in July 2016?

Ah....That's the month Angela put up her Defiance Farms Facebook post saying:

July 20 2016
Well, as badly as I hate to I am selling my breeding stock. Family matters have taken preference over my homestead heard. So now is someone else's chance to get started. Come help me out everyone, I really need to sell.

July 29 2016
"......Hate to sell these two, But I must. Have to downsize, ALOT...

July 29 2016
"....... As bad as I hate to sell them I must. $350 for both.

September 26, 2016
260 Peterson Road (Defiance Farms) is listed for sale.

March 16, 2017
260 Peterson Road sells

Defiance Farms
Motion is for Billy not George

 

[Antimony]

SUBPOENA ISSUED PCSO FOR TRANSPORT OF INMATE EDWARD JACOB WAGNER TO HEARING ON DECEMBER 22, 2021 AT 9:00AM


oops, missed by a month.

 

[Covert Operative]

IMO this motion will be denied, just as the motion filed by GW4's team requesting (by subpoena?) JW's medical records was denied. Also IMO the prosecution will be filing a response asking for denial of the motion and for the subpoena to be quashed.

Surely the judge would not allow JW's testimony to be given before the trial... would he? Hopefully not, but I guess anything is possible.

IMO this is just another ploy by GW4'S team to try their case in the media (I think that's the right phrase) because they don't think they can win at trial. All JMO

It would seem to be a double edge sword for them to have him testify. JW may say G4 did not kill anyone but may also say he was involved and how, that surely does not seem like it will help them. I do not see it helping them in Judge Deerings decision. I would think the state will object to this, it may fall under Ohio Criminal Rule 17 to have him appear.

 

[Nanasteele]

Remember FR was also beaten and I believe CRSR was too. I believe they both did more than watch or plan...IMO they both participated in the injuries inflicted.

I totally agree!

 

[Cool Cats]

It would seem to be a double edge sword for them to have him testify. JW may say G4 did not kill anyone but may also say he was involved and how, that surely does not seem like it will help them. I do not see it helping them in Judge Deerings decision. I would think the state will object to this, it may fall under Ohio Criminal Rule 17 to have him appear.

Pike County Massacre Suspect Seeks Dismissal of Murder Charges and Death Penalty Case, Says Prosecutors Know He Didn’t Kill Anyone

Nash is summoning him which is risky because as you say Jake may say George did not kill anyone but may also say he was involved and how.

I think Nash is pulling a fast one like he did with the Bond Hearing. None of the others asked for Bond and it was obvious to the whole community that George would never get Bond, so then why the Bond Hearing?

Because Nash revealed in court:

"I figured it would be best to just say nothing to see what this is really all about."

Nash is trying to find out again - "what this is really all about" - what will Jake reveal, what hand will the prosecution play with Jake?

This will go far with helping with trial strategy next spring, to already be prepared for what Jake will reveal.

With all the Motions and Bond Hearing and Jake's summons I think Nash knows he's playing with a losing hand so he needs to get ahead of the game as much as possible by throwing out every Motion, seeing what is going on with a Bond Hearing, and finding out Jake's testimony before hand with this subpoena.

Question is, will the prosecution argue their own Motion to get Jake's subpoena denied, or will they instead be excited to be coaching Jake to get across certain points they actually want to make?

Such explosive points of information (of George's guilt) that it may make George want to back off from a trial and actually ask for a plea like his mom got.

Maybe 30 years instead of LWOP? Get out at age 57? I sure hope not.

Hummm.......

 

[Piffcat]

Quote:

"the knife is a powerful example of this underestimation. bless the hearts of those who firmly believe it was used as a hardware tool for cameras etc. b3 only speaks one language, and thats brutal violence. imo to this day he still gets satisfaction replaying that night in his head. this was his masterpiece. too dumb to plan it, but very much evil enough to commit these acts."

In 5 1/2 years there is no evidence that any victims were stabbed, cut up with a knife. One knife turned up in Discovery, that's it.

For me personally I feel it's disrespectful to the Rhoden, Gilley and Manley families for me to post in here on a public forum that the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley were cut up with knives. Also disrespectful to the victim's memories.

If there was real evidence that knives were used to stab the victims that is different but no such evidence exists so I just can't get into that theory in good conscience.

Many feel differently and that is their right to post how they want. And I will post how I feel is best.

And Billy threatened Chris with his gun (Other Acts) not his knife and got his revenge with his gun not his knife, I believe.

This is a discussion forum with the main goal to me of nor letting this case slip into oblivion. The wagnee crime family is counting on obfuscation and distance from their vile acts. I don't think anyone is here to rubbernexk this tragedy. Anybody interested in justice and peace for the family is OK by me. I go out of my way to to vague and nondescript last thing I'd want is to upset any family member. Whatever happened was hell on earth. Crsr autopsy has multiple pages completely redacted, a section listed other injuries which others do not have and it took 2 days. The tight lip state has is great for court but terrible for public perception. Too much covered up allowing the Wagner Crime Family to use lawyers spread falsehoods and rationalizations.

 

[Cool Cats]

This is a discussion forum with the main goal to me of nor letting this case slip into oblivion. The wagnee crime family is counting on obfuscation and distance from their vile acts. I don't think anyone is here to rubbernexk this tragedy. Anybody interested in justice and peace for the family is OK by me. I go out of my way to to vague and nondescript last thing I'd want is to upset any family member. Whatever happened was hell on earth. Crsr autopsy has multiple pages completely redacted, a section listed other injuries which others do not have and it took 2 days. The tight lip state has is great for court but terrible for public perception. Too much covered up allowing the Wagner Crime Family to use lawyers spread falsehoods and rationalizations.

The family did not want the autopsy reports out for public consumption.

"Authorities want to shield information, arguing that its release could compromise the investigation. The coroner also says victims' relatives raised concerns about sharing details of how their loved ones died."

The reports are redacted as much as possible. Chris had 9 gunshot wounds so more is redacted. This doesn't mean:

Alot is redacted + knife in evidence = Chris was stabbed multiple times.

There is no indication anyone was stabbed. BJM did indicate that Chris looked beaten and the autopsy mentions "soft tissue damage" so if the Wagners did do anything else I think it was Billy hitting Chris, angry over how their fight had turned out and that Chris stood up to him.

At the time of his arrest (see body cam footage) Billy had a leatherman's tool with him so the Wagners taking a knife to multiple crime scenes is par for the course, could have been multiple uses for it and multiple reasons they hid it.

If the autopsy said there were cuts instead of soft tissue bruising I would be suspicious that the knife in evidence could have been used as a weapon on the victims. Instead, 3 guns were the weapons of choice that night.

As I said, out of respect I don't want to post about the victims being cut up.

...2 Cents...

Ohio high court shields full autopsy reports in slaying of 8

 

[Piffcat]

The family did not want the autopsy reports out for public consumption.

"Authorities want to shield information, arguing that its release could compromise the investigation. The coroner also says victims' relatives raised concerns about sharing details of how their loved ones died."

The reports are redacted as much as possible. Chris had 9 gunshot wounds so more is redacted. This doesn't mean:

Alot is redacted + knife in evidence = Chris was stabbed multiple times.

There is no indication anyone was stabbed. BJM did indicate that Chris looked beaten and the autopsy mentions "soft tissue damage" so if the Wagners did do anything else I think it was Billy hitting Chris, angry over how their fight had turned out and that Chris stood up to him.

At the time of his arrest (see body cam footage) Billy had a leatherman's tool with him so the Wagners taking a knife to multiple crime scenes is par for the course, could have been multiple uses for it and multiple reasons they hid it.

If the autopsy said there were cuts instead of soft tissue bruising I would be suspicious that the knife in evidence could have been used as a weapon on the victims. Instead, 3 guns were the weapons of choice that night.

As I said, out of respect I don't want to post about the victims being cut up.

...2 Cents...

Ohio high court shields full autopsy reports in slaying of 8

The family did not want the autopsy reports out for public consumption.

"Authorities want to shield information, arguing that its release could compromise the investigation. The coroner also says victims' relatives raised concerns about sharing details of how their loved ones died."

The reports are redacted as much as possible. Chris had 9 gunshot wounds so more is redacted. This doesn't mean:

Alot is redacted + knife in evidence = Chris was stabbed multiple times.

There is no indication anyone was stabbed. BJM did indicate that Chris looked beaten and the autopsy mentions "soft tissue damage" so if the Wagners did do anything else I think it was Billy hitting Chris, angry over how their fight had turned out and that Chris stood up to him.

At the time of his arrest (see body cam footage) Billy had a leatherman's tool with him so the Wagners taking a knife to multiple crime scenes is par for the course, could have been multiple uses for it and multiple reasons they hid it.

If the autopsy said there were cuts instead of soft tissue bruising I would be suspicious that the knife in evidence could have been used as a weapon on the victims. Instead, 3 guns were the weapons of choice that night.

As I said, out of respect I don't want to post about the victims being cut up.

...2 Cents...

Ohio high court shields full autopsy reports in slaying of 8

1. What was purpose of knife? Who's dna is on it? What is the source of dna(touch,fluids,blood) What neccesitated it being intricately hidden with the other weapons?

2.how do you explain crsr autopsy taking 2 days? How was crsr back fractured? Why is crsr the only autopsy extremity completely redacted? Why is crsr the only one who has additional injury section, once again completely redacted?

3 Why is extent of injury section exponentially disproportionate compared to other victims if bullet count is all that seperates them? Nearly 3 pages of fully redacted compared to victims with 5 shots who do not have a full page? Where did the soft tissue bruising come from?

4. Why did the state fight so hard to keep autopsies away from everyone, not only significantly stricter then normal procedure and fought all the way to supreme court. Families wishes are listened to but not authoritative. Everyone had already been told victims were shot, what does "the way they died" mean exactly why do you consider a stab wound as taboo.

5. Given that b3 has a history established of robbery/larceny and crsr had a giant safe. Do you think b3 tried to extract the combination? What sense does it make to limit parameters to guns only?

I was truly extending an olive branch in my last post because we're all here for the victims and see wags punished. However it's apparent you like to debate. So I'm curious if you have insite in these matters

 

[Cool Cats]

1. What was purpose of knife? Who's dna is on it? What is the source of dna(touch,fluids,blood) What neccesitated it being intricately hidden with the other weapons?

2.how do you explain crsr autopsy taking 2 days? How was crsr back fractured? Why is crsr the only autopsy extremity completely redacted? Why is crsr the only one who has additional injury section, once again completely redacted?

3 Why is extent of injury section exponentially disproportionate compared to other victims if bullet count is all that seperates them? Nearly 3 pages of fully redacted compared to victims with 5 shots who do not have a full page? Where did the soft tissue bruising come from?

4. Why did the state fight so hard to keep autopsies away from everyone, not only significantly stricter then normal procedure and fought all the way to supreme court. Families wishes are listened to but not authoritative. Everyone had already been told victims were shot, what does "the way they died" mean exactly why do you consider a stab wound as taboo.

5. Given that b3 has a history established of robbery/larceny and crsr had a giant safe. Do you think b3 tried to extract the combination? What sense does it make to limit parameters to guns only?

I was truly extending an olive branch in my last post because we're all here for the victims and see wags punished. However it's apparent you like to debate. So I'm curious if you have insite in these matters

No. I'm not going to debate the autopsies or the knife.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Happy Thanksgiving to
All You Sluthers and to the Rhodens,Gilley
Manleys Family’s May Your Holiday,s Be Blessed, And Also May God Bless all our sick Sluthers and pray that they get better so they can be with us when the Piketon Murder Victims get Justice next year.

 

[altojack]

Am I too late to wish you all A Happy Thanksgiving.

For about 3 days I've had no like button, couldn't post! What was wrong ? I asked myself. I guess I forgot that when you clear cookies and history there's a need to sign back in WS. I know, I know, I've been here long enough to remember the drill. I feel rather and embarrassed. Forgive me, I'm only a Brit

 

[NWLady]

1. What was purpose of knife? Who's dna is on it? What is the source of dna(touch,fluids,blood) What neccesitated it being intricately hidden with the other weapons?

2.how do you explain crsr autopsy taking 2 days? How was crsr back fractured? Why is crsr the only autopsy extremity completely redacted? Why is crsr the only one who has additional injury section, once again completely redacted?

3 Why is extent of injury section exponentially disproportionate compared to other victims if bullet count is all that seperates them? Nearly 3 pages of fully redacted compared to victims with 5 shots who do not have a full page? Where did the soft tissue bruising come from?

4. Why did the state fight so hard to keep autopsies away from everyone, not only significantly stricter then normal procedure and fought all the way to supreme court. Families wishes are listened to but not authoritative. Everyone had already been told victims were shot, what does "the way they died" mean exactly why do you consider a stab wound as taboo.

5. Given that b3 has a history established of robbery/larceny and crsr had a giant safe. Do you think b3 tried to extract the combination? What sense does it make to limit parameters to guns only?

I was truly extending an olive branch in my last post because we're all here for the victims and see wags punished. However it's apparent you like to debate. So I'm curious if you have insite in these matters

You bring up some very good points in your post. Thanks for sharing them.

 

[Cool Cats]

You bring up some very good points in your post. Thanks for sharing them.

1. What was purpose of knife? Who's dna is on it? What is the source of dna(touch,fluids,blood) What neccesitated it being intricately hidden with the other weapons?

2.how do you explain crsr autopsy taking 2 days? How was crsr back fractured? Why is crsr the only autopsy extremity completely redacted? Why is crsr the only one who has additional injury section, once again completely redacted?

3 Why is extent of injury section exponentially disproportionate compared to other victims if bullet count is all that seperates them? Nearly 3 pages of fully redacted compared to victims with 5 shots who do not have a full page? Where did the soft tissue bruising come from?

4. Why did the state fight so hard to keep autopsies away from everyone, not only significantly stricter then normal procedure and fought all the way to supreme court. Families wishes are listened to but not authoritative. Everyone had already been told victims were shot, what does "the way they died" mean exactly why do you consider a stab wound as taboo.

5. Given that b3 has a history established of robbery/larceny and crsr had a giant safe. Do you think b3 tried to extract the combination? What sense does it make to limit parameters to guns only?

I was truly extending an olive branch in my last post because we're all here for the victims and see wags punished. However it's apparent you like to debate. So I'm curious if you have insite in these matters

Most of these questions about Chris can be answered because his injuries and the condition of his body were different from the 7 others. He was shot more times and not just in the head, and his torso gun shot wound could have caused his back fracture.

The fingerprint(s) on the knife could be from a Wagner and the DNA could be from the fingerprint. A knife in evidence doesn't mean that a knife was used as a weapon, could have other uses.

Knife was used in the commission of the crimes so was hidden with the guns. Anything cut with the knife could be forensically matched to the knife so they had to get rid of it.

No time to ask about the safe, I think they started shooting from the porch and injured him too much to get information. Looks like he was running behind a door to get away from them rather then them pretending they just wanted to talk which is what they would have done to get information.

You don't shoot someone in the torso breaking their back and expect to get information, or chasing them through the house shooting blindly through a door where they could be hit anywhere, and then get them to talk.

Unusual to have 8 murders and 4 crime scenes, was necessary to to keep autopsy injury/gun shot information under wraps as much as possible for the sake of the investigation.

To have only the bad guys knowing the details.

If one blabbed that Hanna was shot twice, then only the killers would know that. If one blabbed Chris was shot in the "stomach" (the torso) only the killers would know that.

Think of the Wagners accidentally giving out this kind of information over wiretaps.

With autopsies out in public everyone knew. The Wagners could have been caught discussing the shooting but say they learned the information from the autopsies.

Consider just opinion