GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

[IType]

I bet your right, they didn't use the Ohio River or other large bodies of water due to numerous security cameras everywhere.

FWF was more safe because of the lack of security cameras and no witnesses around. No one to see them and no video of them. This is why they used FWF property I am convinced.

Plus, they were able to access the property days ahead of time and get the cement buckets ready for that night.

Also, the property is so vast, even remote, that not even FW or RW or their employees were around to detect them.

IMO, another reason is that because it was their family's land, no one would think anything about it if they saw BW, JW or GW4 tossing something into a pond on their mom/grandma's land. JMO

 

[Betty P]

IMO, another reason is that because it was their family's land, no one would think anything about it if they saw BW, JW or GW4 tossing something into a pond on their mom/grandma's land. JMO

It also meant it was somewhere they could watch over and control access. It wouldn't be possible for someone to accidentally stumble up on it.

IDK, judging by books and movies about organized crime groups, its better to destroy it completely or get rid of it in an inaccessible area.

 

[Dudly]

It also meant it was somewhere they could watch over and control access. It wouldn't be possible for someone to accidentally stumble up on it.

IDK, judging by books and movies about organized crime groups, its better to destroy it completely or get rid of it in an inaccessible area.

It is amazing how many dispose of complete guns. I would think a total disassembly with each part miles apart would be the best.

 

[Covert Operative]

I agree.

I have wondered about the knife. Keeping it along with the guns makes it seem like a weapon that was used, like it has some important significance.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I have wondered about the knife. Keeping it along with the guns makes it seem like a weapon that was used, like it has some important significance.

Bobby Jo Manley kept telling the 911 operator that there’s blood all over the place, At CSR house JMO the knife was used on Big Chris & maybe Gary Rhoden also, MOO BW was the one that used the knife that night because his reputation had been taken away when Big Chris kick his But! One thing that keeps coming in my mind is if GW4 didn’t kill anyone and he says he didn’t have any grudges against the Rhoden family than why go that night, it was to keep Bill from killing Jake, I think not, reason being because GW4 was a big fat butterball when he was arrested, he would not last 3 minutes in a hand fist fight with BW or anyone, not even HMR, also why have a guardian paper fixed up the same time Jake did if he was to die his mother would get his son, if you read the new court papers that GW4 attorneys has filed to me sounds like their saying GW4 is a guilty man (BUT) he didn’t kill nobody! JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I doubt they had ever planned to retrieve the guns again. Frozen in cement and long buried or submerged in water they had no reason to ever look at them again.
FWF gave them the chance to have the cement buckets ready and waiting for them that night without taking a chance getting seen on a round trip drive down to the Ohio/Kentucky boarder, too risky.

They sure didn't want to travel far when they tossed their prototype silencer down their well.

Well, I don't think anyone has ever accused the cowards of having common sense.

IMO, those sealed in cement weapons were placed so they could be retrieved without much work involved. Perhaps in gun tubes and then in plastic before they were put in concrete buckets and sunk. JMO.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It is amazing how many dispose of complete guns. I would think a total disassembly with each part miles apart would be the best.

Right.

 

[Covert Operative]

Bobby Jo Manley kept telling the 911 operator that there’s blood all over the place, At CSR house JMO the knife was used on Big Chris & maybe Gary Rhoden also, MOO BW was the one that used the knife that night because his reputation had been taken away when Big Chris kick his But! One thing that keeps coming in my mind is if GW4 didn’t kill anyone and he says he didn’t have any grudges against the Rhoden family than why go that night, it was to keep Bill from killing Jake, I think not, reason being because GW4 was a big fat butterball when he was arrested, he would not last 3 minutes in a hand fist fight with BW or anyone, not even HMR, also why have a guardian paper fixed up the same time Jake did if he was to die his mother would get his son, if you read the new court papers that GW4 attorneys has filed to me sounds like their saying GW4 is a guilty man (BUT) he didn’t kill nobody! JMO

I would like to read new court papers his defense filed, could you tell me where to find them, which ones I should look for or if you have a link? Thanks. His lawyers have never said he was not there that I recall. I believe JW may have said G4 was at the scene where the two shoe prints were found and G4 was wearing the shoes. I think JW also gave a reason/excuse that G4 was there, that JW thinks in his mind may help G4.

I think the audio recordings when they came back from Alaska and drove the rig that belonged to R&L trucking might give a lot of insight to what G4 intentions were. He may testify against himself in those recordings. The recordings may be very important in his case.

 

[IType]

I have wondered about the knife. Keeping it along with the guns makes it seem like a weapon that was used, like it has some important significance.

I am a little perplexed about the knife as well. It seems out of place to me. If all three murderers had guns, why use a knife? I do think the most likely place it was used was at CRSR's. JMO

 

[IType]

It is amazing how many dispose of complete guns. I would think a total disassembly with each part miles apart would be the best.

I agree, especially since GW4 and JW were over-the-road truck drivers. They could have stashed the weapons for a few days until their next run and then tossed the weapons in separate bodies of water, or buried in soil, in various locations across several states. JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

I am a little perplexed about the knife as well. It seems out of place to me. If all three murderers had guns, why use a knife? I do think the most likely place it was used was at CRSR's. JMO

I think it would have been CRsr also, but I do think it could have been used at another crime scene.

 

[Puzzles8]

I also thinkLE may have additional incriminating evidence against FW, but are holding it in reserve to keep her in line before the trials.

I e also thougnt for a long time that FW was the one who pressured th 4 Wagners to move to AK. She may have had a inside track on the investigation and told them to get out of town.

AS well, maybe the W's had an interesting connection to folks in AK.

I still find it very coincidental there was a pastor in AK that had strong connections to the W's area of Ohio. Very odd.

JMO

 

[altojack]

I think that FW, The Dominant Matriarch, would have known all, seen all in her domain.

I think she did too.
What about the conversations that were had at FWF, granny must have been aware of those.

 

[altojack]

I have wondered about the knife. Keeping it along with the guns makes it seem like a weapon that was used, like it has some important significance.

I've always thought of it as a weapon since it was first mentioned. IMO used on CR Snr.

 

[altojack]

AS well, maybe the W's had an interesting connection to folks in AK.

I still find it very coincidental there was a pastor in AK that had strong connections to the W's area of Ohio. Very odd.

JMO

Do we know if the Ws were personal friends of the pastor? Or was it the pastors father they were friends of? It is all very odd.

 

[Cool Cats]

AS well, maybe the W's had an interesting connection to folks in AK.

I still find it very coincidental there was a pastor in AK that had strong connections to the W's area of Ohio. Very odd.

JMO

The pastor is their connection to AK. In Minford Ohio the Wagners attended the pastor's church and George and Jake were friends with the pastor's sons.

The pastor's boys were still young when the pastor left the Ohio church and took the position of pastor at the Resurrection Bay Baptist Church in Seward Alaska. Through the years there were 3 times the Wagners went up to visit them in Alaska and the Wagners talked about wanting to move up there.

The pastor even made a trip back to Ohio in August 2012, and married George IV.

Eventually the pastor's son, who is Jake's age, became an ordained pastor. On February 26th 2017, he became pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Kenai Alaska and the Wagners attended his church and he visited the Wagners in their home.

• Pike County murders: Alaska pastor says Ohio family of interest attended church Sunday
• Wagner family charged in Ohio massacre fled to Alaska after killings
• IMMANUEL BAPTIST CHURCH

 

[Puzzles8]

The pastor is their connection to AK. In Minford Ohio the Wagners attended the pastor's church and George and Jake were friends with the pastor's sons.

The pastor's boys were still young when the pastor left the Ohio church and took the position of pastor at the Resurrection Bay Baptist Church in Seward Alaska. Through the years there were 3 times the Wagners went up to visit them in Alaska and the Wagners talked about wanting to move up there.

The pastor even made a trip back to Ohio in August 2012, and married George IV.

Eventually the pastor's son, who is Jake's age, became an ordained pastor. On February 26th 2017, he became pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Kenai Alaska and the Wagners attended his church and he visited the Wagners in their home.

• Pike County murders: Alaska pastor says Ohio family of interest attended church Sunday
• Wagner family charged in Ohio massacre fled to Alaska after killings
• IMMANUEL BAPTIST CHURCH

I find this all very odd.

Did the AK pastor make a special trip back to Ohio officiate G4's nuptials?

Also confusing, why didn't the pastor of FW's Lucasville "church" perform GW4 and TB's ceremony?

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I find this all very odd.

Did the AK pastor make a special trip back to Ohio officiate G4's nuptials?

Also confusing, why didn't the pastor of FW's Lucasville "church" perform GW4 and TB's ceremony?

JMO

I think it goes to show how close the Wagners were to their pastor.

The pastor says he officiated George's wedding which was held at the church on FWF so he either made a special trip or he just happened to be going back to Ohio at that time.

Sometimes ministers are hired to travel to weddings and many ministers travel every year for Christian Conventions, missionary work, church rallies, etc... that the church pays for.

It probably just happened to work out that the pastor was coming back to Ohio at that time and having lived in Ohio he probably had ties there and even could have simply been on a vacation.

Perhaps the Lucasville pastor would have officiated if the AK pastor hadn't been available.

Interesting to note that the pastor is the only one who has mentioned friendship with the Wagners.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I would like to read new court papers his defense filed, could you tell me where to find them, which ones I should look for or if you have a link? Thanks. His lawyers have never said he was not there that I recall. I believe JW may have said G4 was at the scene where the two shoe prints were found and G4 was wearing the shoes. I think JW also gave a reason/excuse that G4 was there, that JW thinks in his mind may help G4.

I think the audio recordings when they came back from Alaska and drove the rig that belonged to R&L trucking might give a lot of insight to what G4 intentions were. He may testify against himself in those recordings. The recordings may be very important in his case.

I would like to read new court papers his defense filed, could you tell me where to find them, which ones I should look for or if you have a link? Thanks. His lawyers have never said he was not there that I recall. I believe JW may have said G4 was at the scene where the two shoe prints were found and G4 was wearing the shoes. I think JW also gave a reason/excuse that G4 was there, that JW thinks in his mind may help G4.

I think the audio recordings when they came back from Alaska and drove the rig that belonged to R&L trucking might give a lot of insight to what G4 intentions were. He may testify against himself in those recordings. The recordings may be very important in his case.

I have tried to copy GW4 motion 73 but WS will not let me paste it for some reason, JBB

 

[Puzzles8]

The pastor says he officiated George's wedding which was held at the church on FWF so he either made a special trip or he just happened to be going back to Ohio at that time. I think it goes to show how close the Wagners were to their pastor.

Sometimes ministers are hired to travel to weddings and many ministers travel every year for Christian Conventions, missionary work, church rallies, etc... that the church pays for.

It probably just happened to work out that the pastor was coming back to Ohio at that time and having lived in Ohio he probably had ties there and even could have simply been on a vacation.

Perhaps the Lucasville pastor would have officiated if the AK pastor hadn't been available.

But I still find it odd, G4 and TB were not married by the current pastor of Fredricka Wagner's "church".
If so, that speaks to me of a very important connection between the AK pastor and FW.
Just pointing out the obvious.....JMO