OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[ColMustard]

I don't know why the state keeps going over and over testimony, we finally appear to be getting to evidence that points to GW but I am still waiting to hear things he did in furtherance of any conspiracy

I think they have so much they want to present, it's just moving like a glacier.

Time to do some 12 hour days at the court!

 

[sunshineray]

I think the only way the DP comes back into play is if JW refuses to testify. Jmo

Or testifies completely different from what he said in proffer.

 

[Pru2U]

I don't know why they keep emphasing the go fund me account. It has nothing to do with the actual murders. It just seems like another attempt to deflect. I don't know. Anyway, jmo

He's just doing his job. His mission is to discredit the witness testimony - bonus points for throwing shade on Jake profiting from murder.

 

[sunshineray]

The thing is I'm not sure it would be something that would show up as a bank account until it was put into an actual bank account. I wonder if a shows up as a bank account on it's own? I assumed funds would need to be transferred out in order to use them or have them show up as belonging to a person. Anyone could start a in someone's name. It happens a lot in these high profile cases to scam people out of money. Sometimes the creators aren't even in contact with the person they are saying it's for.. just trying to scam smypathetic people out of money.

I agree but he should have either been told about one of his subjects of investigation soliciting money or found that info himself...neither happened.

 

[justtrish]

As far as not knowing of different accounts, wouldn't a credit report list all open and closed accounts going back forever? I know my reports lists accounts that have been closed for a couple of decades

It should, but the issue with a Jr, Sr, III, IV, etc. things can get mixed up. My husband is a Jr and he and his dad lived in the same town for a while as adults and that I think makes it even more confusing and I'd add if you are adults with the same address, it really can get intertwined and no fault of the people or even when nobody is trying to do criminal things. My FIL had a truck of my husbands on his credit for a while and it was never in my FIL's name, never co signed, nothing. I regularly check for things like this just to make sure nothing is mixed up and there is nothing criminal going on with my FIL or my husband, it just can get put in the wrong place somehow. Not exactly sure since SSN's are very different, but it does happen.

Makes me wonder if they pulled credit reports and found the account they listed as GWIV under him instead of under Billy?

 

[justtrish]

I agree but he should have either been told about one of his subjects of investigation soliciting money or found that info himself...neither happened.

Absolutely! I agree. I think the Forensic account wouldn't have known though because it wouldn't show up anywhere until it was used by transferring it to a bank. Do we know what ever happened with that ? Often these things get shut down when it's possible criminal activity, but if the W's were not on the radar for a while, I'm sure it wouldn't be flagged.

Sounds like the head BCI agent then was asked and he knew about it from tips/seeing online posts but didn't see it on Angela's laptop. I don't think it would have had to be on her laptop though. Someone can start a on a phone just the same. I guess it's possible it was never on the laptop.

 

[ohioexpat63]

He's just doing his job. His mission is to discredit the witness testimony - bonus points for throwing shade on Jake profiting from murder.

I agree. It is just to me, and the way this family operated, if one profits they all profit. I think this is what the prosecutors are driving home and why GW4 was eyeballs deep in all aspects of the murders . JMO

 

[dgfred]

Don't think it happened that way.

Can you imagine going thru all that planning then getting to the murder scene and telling your older brother you can't see to shoot. Yeah, right.

 

[rsd1200]

The forensic accountant didn't know, didn't find in his investigation, that JW had started a account to pay for his lawyer's fees in getting custody of his daughter after the murders.

I stay behind, I got wrapped up in the SKS ammo, so did he fail to find that JW had not started an account for lawyers fees, or that he had started an account for lawyers fees?

 

[sunshineray]

Absolutely! I agree. I think the Forensic account wouldn't have known though because it wouldn't show up anywhere until it was used by transferring it to a bank. Do we know what ever happened with that ? Often these things get shut down when it's possible criminal activity, but if the W's were not on the radar for a while, I'm sure it wouldn't be flagged.

Sounds like the head BCI agent then was asked and he knew about it from tips/seeing online posts but didn't see it on Angela's laptop. I don't think it would have had to be on her laptop though. Someone can start a on a phone just the same. I guess it's possible it was never on the laptop.

It was probably on the phone JW got rid of...wasn't there a phone they never recovered from him?

 

[sunshineray]

I stay behind, I got wrapped up in the SKS ammo, so did he fail to find that JW had not started an account for lawyers fees, or that he had started an account for lawyers fees?

It was that GoFundMe account he started to pay for child custody lawyer's fees, after the murders. I think it was mentioned in a Chris Graves interview article she did with JW called, (probably paraphrasing) Can't Stand to See my Daughter Cry...something like that.

 

[justtrish]

I feel like we are seeing what happens when a witness isn't asked about every little thing. The defense is waiting to ask something that confuses them or something that maybe wasn't part of their area to look into and then make it seem like they didn't do a thorough job. I know this is what they are supposed to do. It is likely why we are seeing a lot of redundant topics/questions and a lot of information that doesn't help the case. They have to say every little thing the defense could possibly bring up so they can talk about it first or the defense comes along and says okay what about xyz. It's making so much sense why we saw all those shell casings that were not from the murder weapon, all the various recordings that may or may not matter, all the guns from FWF that were ruled out, etc. They prosecution is presenting their case, but also showing far more than the pertinent stuff because the defense could use something they deem not relevant to make them look bad by not being thorough.

 

[rsd1200]

Yes, I recall that. I just want the exact facts. Was the Bethel Hill Rd. property ever in AW and BW name? I looked at the property website and FW and her deceased husband's trust are current owners. It is 845 Bethel Hill Rd correct? 117 acres last sale date 11/23/1993 with no sales history listed. Don't know how BW and AW could get insurance payouts on property that is not in their name.

I don't think they ever owned that, but, if they were growing hay to sell, off of FW's land, then it would be their loss if they had the crop insured. I had put up a couple of pics from the 845 Bethel site a thread or two back, showing that there was a couple of structures there that appeared to be a home or homes there (one may have been a garage, I'm not sure). If they'd been permitted to use that property, by FW, to set up a couple modular homes, and they burned, then AW and G3 would get the money from the insurance, if they purchased and insured the homes. (for example; The farm leases land for tobacco to be raised. The crop is destroyed by hail. The farm owner will get nothing from the damage, but if the person who leased the land and raised the crop, was insured, they will be reimbursed by the insurance company. If they've not paid the lease in full, to the landowner, they will do that out of their reimbursement.)

 

[sunshineray]

I feel like we are seeing what happens when a witness isn't asked about every little thing. The defense is waiting to ask something that confuses them or something that maybe wasn't part of their area to look into and then make it seem like they didn't do a thorough job. I know this is what they are supposed to do. It is likely why we are seeing a lot of redundant topics/questions and a lot of information that doesn't help the case. They have to say every little thing the defense could possibly bring up so they can talk about it first or the defense comes along and says okay what about xyz. It's making so much sense why we saw all those shell casings that were not from the murder weapon, all the various recordings that may or may not matter, all the guns from FWF that were ruled out, etc. They prosecution is presenting their case, but also showing far more than the pertinent stuff because the defense could use something they deem not relevant to make them look bad by not being thorough.

Yes I agree but the prosecutor not knowing a piece of prosecution evidence was mislabeled and then testified to as belong to the defendant and showing his purchases...but really it belonged to someone else entirely...that's sloppy. AJMO

 

[Niner]

Just a reminder - I shall gather as many tweets as I can in one post - so will be a bit behind on what you are seeing in the trial...

 

[rsd1200]

Could this happen?

If the prosecution can prove G4 is a shooter, and he's found guilty, DP comes back on the table, evidence from G4's trial convicts BW on the DP, then AW and JW ... or at least JW faces the DP for lying in his proffer.

Wouldn't that mean they're sabotaging their own pleas, though? Maybe I'm not understanding but I thought it all hinged on AS and JW testifying truthfully (although AC said they didn't really need them, iirc).

 

[rsd1200]

It was that account he started to pay for child custody lawyer's fees, after the murders. I think it was mentioned in a Chris Graves interview article she did with JW called, (probably paraphrasing) Can't Stand to See my Daughter Cry...something like that.

Was that a G F M account ? did the prosecution not know about that account?

 

[rsd1200]

I thought that Jake was small enough to fit under the truck and that George had to hide behind the mower because he was to big to get underneath the truck, JMO

But weren't there two people inside CR1's trailer?

 

[justtrish]

Yes I agree but the prosecutor not knowing a piece of prosecution evidence was mislabeled and then testified to as belong to the defendant and showing his purchases...but really it belonged to someone else entirely...that's sloppy. AJMO

Absolutely that one looks bad. I hope we get to see an explanation if it was a case of it being on the wrong credit report. I would think someone would be extra thorough with the finances so it's odd that this wasn't picked up.

 

[justtrish]

Was that a G F M account ? did the prosecution not know about that account?

They knew about it. The Forensic accountant I believe didn't know. I don't think it was something that showed up because it isn't a bank account. Then the lead investigator was asked about it and he knew about it, but didn't know if it was on Angela's computer. He knew about it from FB posts/tips.