GUILTY OH - Reann Murphy, 9, raped & murdered, Smithville, 14 Dec 2013

  • #201
Often there's a real challenge even finding group homes that will take people that have been violent in the past, whether or not that's even meaning they have a record. Or even if that doesn't mean any violence that'd really be overly concerning.

And if they're high functioning enough to have some degree of independence (or even relatively high degree of independence) that can often mean they don't qualify for many homes/facilities either.

I've watched close family friends struggle w/ this for decades now, with now adult kids (both even more than twice the age of majority) who didn't qualify for anything while younger, and absolutely don't now.

One's now in jail, not for anything that they actually did, but for who they were with. But that's part of FAS (one of several dx that particular one has) - not understanding consequences and choices - thus often seeing many end up making horrible friend choices.

The other ended up getting involved in drugs and alcohol at a group home decades ago, which started a spiral they've never gotten out of. There's not a rehab place, sober living place, group home, etc. that will take them.

And both are so old that they are more than capable of choosing to refuse to live with their parents. Which only leads to more problems.

And these were highly involved parents - adopted both of them knowing there were issues, but not the extent as that was long before significant testing was really done or possible - at least one parent always home. Constant researching of therapies, possibilities, resources, etc. None of that is true in many families, unfortunately.

And even watching friends with much younger kids with varying special needs - including one who is severely autistic (and physically aggressive, w/ a parent who has a background in special needs) who isn't even into double digit age yet, but physically is capable of taking down a football player father even. They're not needing other resources yet, but because their child is bright, doesn't qualify for the same therapies as others, and because the child is violent, then most school programs or therapies won't take the child. Which leaves them...stuck. They've been told the only thing to do is institutionalize their child, which is not an option to them. But they've been told no one else would ever take the child.

It can be a very, very tricky road - even with highly involved parents who were pursuing things from the get go and very hands on.

I just did a quick google search and there are many parents with children that have disabilities and due to their violent behavior and the danger they posed to others in the family, they have put them in group homes.

Maybe there aren't enough group homes? I honestly can't imagine this guy and Lanza not qualifying. One parent was told by CPS if they didn't place the child in a group home they would remove the other children from the home for their safety.

I know it has to be a terribly hard decision to make for family members, but a supervised situation where there are trained staff and programs is by far more beneficial for all, than the entire family suffering horribly and the high potential for a tragedy to occur.

Sometimes you have to work the system very hard to get things accomplished, but it can be done with the cooperation of doctors and other community resources.
 
  • #202
Funding for community services like group homes is scarce. It's not easy at all. It's not even remotely easy. To get in a group home situation is a blessing and a miracle. A lot of the people you may see in group homes have been in the same type of settings since before or during the Reagan Admin.

To get in a privately FUNDED and paid out of pocket group home is easier, of course. You have to read between the lines and I think at least been there *whether that's with a relative or having been a social worker*

I don't want to bore anyone with mental health mandates, mental health courts and state hospitals - but you would be shocked if you assumed someone could easily get medicaid, SSI, disability or help and the right kind of help. I'm not talking a psych, low copay on meds and hud housing. I'm talking TRUE care and quality care.

There was a case recently that really brought to life the reality of it all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...mpted-murder-autistic-daughter_n_3879302.html

I know there is a thread here about it, Kelli made a video of her daughters violence and it's very shocking and disturbing. It's also very sad. I advise anyone who has no true comprehension how things can be when the rose tinted shades are taken off and people are frank about stuff, to watch this.
 
  • #203
There are absolutely not enough group homes and its very difficult to get this type of service funded. In my state there is a very long waiting list to get into a group home, like years and years long. I advise parents of kids who may not be able to live independently to get their child on the wait list as soon as they possibly can even if they are not anywhere near adulthood.
 
  • #204
All males were checked for DNA? Why? or should I even wonder? sigh. And his mom was not home for a few days...

I can't imagine they checked everyone's DNA. They probably just asked everyone, "Would you be willing to submit a DNA sample?" And he was the only one who said no. Of course, I suppose they *could* have taken swabs from everyone, but I can't see that happening only a few hours into a missing child investigation.
 
  • #205
Then these are definitely the problems that need to be addressed. They have to give the same priority for mental/behavior issues as they do for physical illnesses. I have said this for years.

I have seen many people that have learned how to abuse the SSDI system and that bothers mean. It hurts those that truly need it. If they are capable of finding ways to abuse it, then you would think that with the proper assistance it can be attained for those with severe conditions.

The government has to recognize the importance of funding for these critical services.

Even if these services are available though, not everyone will utilize them and some families will try and handle things on their own or deny that a problem exists.

Everyone is not going to be able have access or the money for the "best" facilities or programs out there, but that doesn't mean there aren't services available that will help and it's still better than doing nothing about the problem.
 
  • #206
I can't imagine they checked everyone's DNA. They probably just asked everyone, "Would you be willing to submit a DNA sample?" And he was the only one who said no. Of course, I suppose they *could* have taken swabs from everyone, but I can't see that happening only a few hours into a missing child investigation.

I imagine he was on their radar from the beginning.
 
  • #207
If they did request DNA from the immediate residents of the mobile home park, it' looks to be a very small group. Maybe 16 or so mobile homes, 26 seperate living areas in the immediate area. I can see asking for DNA and maybe even getting that many homes with males in it to give up their DNA. One didn't. I may be mistaken but thought I read it was more women renters than men? I may have made that up? That would be at least 13 possible men (or more) or younger. One apparently didn't.

http://goo.gl/maps/lt11U


In Austin Siggs case, he gave his DNA freely, although it was a goof up for a bit. I am pretty sure in Isabel Celis case many were asked to voluntarily to give DNA samples. Maybe in Elizebeth's & Lyric's case too. Those who wouldn't give up DNA, would be considered an interest, I'm sure.
 
  • #208
Mixed info about him so far, IMO. He doesn't sound just like a little kid in his actions or fb.
I hate that this happened to Reann. :(

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-charged-with-strangling-9-year-old-girl?lite

"Neighbors told NBC station WKYC of Cleveland that Metsker made one of the 911 calls to report Reann's being missing and helped lead the search to find her. They said he seemed impatient when she wasn't found quickly."

"Sheri Rose, a neighbor, said Metsker often played outside with the neighborhood children, telling WKYC that he was "like a little kid" who never caused parents any concern."
 
  • #209
He probably presented as child like and harmless. People would get a false sense of security if he had never shown any untoward behaviour. But you never know what lurks underneath. I am surprised the mother left him at home to fend for himself while she went away for a few days. In her opinion he was high functioning around the house and could be left. Surely if she knew he had a propensity for violence she would not have left him unattended.
 
  • #210
Authorities say the unemployed man accused of killing 9-year-old Reann Murphy had been building a snowman with the girl just a few hours before she was reported missing.

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They say Reann was playing in the snow with several other children, but she was left alone with the Metsker after the others went home.

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Late Monday, Wayne Coroner Amy Jolliff released the preliminary autopsy finding -- that Reannl was strangled with an unknown object.

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One neighbor, Shari Rose, told WKYC that Metsker made one of the 9-1-1 calls about Reann being missing.

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Rose went on to say that Metsker's mother told people that he was autistic.

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Rose said Metsker was the only adult male in the trailer park who declined to take a DNA test.

Wayne County sheriff's Capt. Doug Hunter says Metsker made a statement to sheriff's deputies but stopped short of a confession, only admitting that he was playing with Reann before she disappeared.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/2013/12/16/wayne-county-court-arraignment/4037419/
It would be interesting to listen to the 9-1-1 call Metsker made...

JMO
 
  • #211
Often there's a real challenge even finding group homes that will take people that have been violent in the past, whether or not that's even meaning they have a record. Or even if that doesn't mean any violence that'd really be overly concerning.

And if they're high functioning enough to have some degree of independence (or even relatively high degree of independence) that can often mean they don't qualify for many homes/facilities either.

I've watched close family friends struggle w/ this for decades now, with now adult kids (both even more than twice the age of majority) who didn't qualify for anything while younger, and absolutely don't now.

One's now in jail, not for anything that they actually did, but for who they were with. But that's part of FAS (one of several dx that particular one has) - not understanding consequences and choices - thus often seeing many end up making horrible friend choices.

The other ended up getting involved in drugs and alcohol at a group home decades ago, which started a spiral they've never gotten out of. There's not a rehab place, sober living place, group home, etc. that will take them.

And both are so old that they are more than capable of choosing to refuse to live with their parents. Which only leads to more problems.

And these were highly involved parents - adopted both of them knowing there were issues, but not the extent as that was long before significant testing was really done or possible - at least one parent always home. Constant researching of therapies, possibilities, resources, etc. None of that is true in many families, unfortunately.

And even watching friends with much younger kids with varying special needs - including one who is severely autistic (and physically aggressive, w/ a parent who has a background in special needs) who isn't even into double digit age yet, but physically is capable of taking down a football player father even. They're not needing other resources yet, but because their child is bright, doesn't qualify for the same therapies as others, and because the child is violent, then most school programs or therapies won't take the child. Which leaves them...stuck. They've been told the only thing to do is institutionalize their child, which is not an option to them. But they've been told no one else would ever take the child.

It can be a very, very tricky road - even with highly involved parents who were pursuing things from the get go and very hands on.

Very good post. I have a relative who is not yet 5 and is aggressive, violent, and sexually inappropriate. His mom has taken him to therapy and psychiatrists keep prescribing therapy only even though he has hurt his little brother and sister and nearly killed them both. His mom is very involved and doing the best she can and therapy is ineffective. She has no other options. I can see something very bad happening but what is she to do? It is a very serious problem for these mothers/parents.:moo::twocents:
 
  • #212
All males were checked for DNA? Why? or should I even wonder? sigh. And his mom was not home for a few days...

They don't just look for DNA In sex crimes. They look for DNA in homicides too because DNA can be found on murder weapons and all kinds of things. DNA can be present from a our skin that sheds on things from touching things or being close to things. It can shed on clothes, etc..... another reason for the paper clothes they put him in.
 
  • #213
He probably presented as child like and harmless. People would get a false sense of security if he had never shown any untoward behaviour. But you never know what lurks underneath. I am surprised the mother left him at home to fend for himself while she went away for a few days. In her opinion he was high functioning around the house and could be left. Surely if she knew he had a propensity for violence she would not have left him unattended.


Parents of children like this, even adult children, get burnt out and need respite and a break from it. Sometimes the best things parent can do to help their disabled child is take a break and take care of themselves first. I don't know if his mother took frequent breaks like this from him or not. However, it's possible that if she didn't, things may have gotten really bad of late and she needed to get away. If this is what was happening, it's Probably the worst time to get away and take a break instead of getting help .
 
  • #214
I wonder if they found scratches on him and maybe she had skin under her nails. I'm just glad they were doing everything they could to find her killer and have everything they needed to prove it. Just thinking about this makes me sick! There are so many sick minds wandering among us, and we don't know until it's too late.
 
  • #215
Parents/caretakers of children like this, get burnt out and need respite and a break from it. Sometimes the best things parent can do to help their disabled child is take a break and take care of themselves first. I don't know if his mother took frequent breaks like this from him or not. However, it's possible that if she didn't, things may have gotten really bad of late and she needed to get away. If this is what was happening, it's probably the worst time to get away and take a break instead of getting help .

Having a child with such severe disabilities is a very debilitating job. Caretakers do burn out. Unfortunately, the people I have known who have been in these situations have had little help. To get respite care in order to recharge the parent to continue on is so very difficult.

The same is true for children caring for adult parents with serious health issues, such as Alzheimer's.

This is a 24/7/365 job with no time off.

I am not surprised the mother left him alone for a couple of days. There probably wasn't anyone in her family who would take on the job for even that short amount of time.

We need respite care workers or centers who can help these people.
 
  • #216
Having a child with such severe disabilities is a very debilitating job. Caretakers do burn out. Unfortunately, the people I have known who have been in these situations have had little help. To get respite care in order to recharge the parent to continue on is so very difficult.

The same is true for children caring for adult parents with serious health issues, such as Alzheimer's.

This is a 24/7/365 job with no time off.

I am not surprised the mother left him alone for a couple of days. There probably wasn't anyone in her family who would take on the job for even that short amount of time.

We need respite care workers or centers who can help these people.

I'll have to find it, but I saw a statistic about 18 months ago regarding caretakers.

It was a staggering statistic - something like 50% of caretakers - die before the ones they are caring for, even factoring in all those caring for parents or those with terminal/severe/chronic long-term illnesses who "should" die before them.
 
  • #217
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We have 911 audio from the Reann Murphy murder. The man in the call ID'd himself as Jerrod Metsker. Listen here: http://goo.gl/CI6M1d

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  • #218
Mixed info about him so far, IMO. He doesn't sound just like a little kid in his actions or fb.
I hate that this happened to Reann. :(

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-charged-with-strangling-9-year-old-girl?lite

"Neighbors told NBC station WKYC of Cleveland that Metsker made one of the 911 calls to report Reann's being missing and helped lead the search to find her. They said he seemed impatient when she wasn't found quickly."

"Sheri Rose, a neighbor, said Metsker often played outside with the neighborhood children, telling WKYC that he was "like a little kid" who never caused parents any concern."

There is no way in h*** I would let my child play in the company of a grown neighbor man let a lone one with mental issues. He often played out side with neighborhood children, why no one thought that would present a problem? I would guess the parents of the other children that were there with her and went home are trembling today.

Ciao
 
  • #219
They don't just look for DNA In sex crimes. They look for DNA in homicides too because DNA can be found on murder weapons and all kinds of things. DNA can be present from a our skin that sheds on things from touching things or being close to things. It can shed on clothes, etc..... another reason for the paper clothes they put him in.

True, but the info was that DNA was requested from the adult males and he was the only one who refused. JMO
 
  • #220
Is there a MSM source that states that JM has mental issues or has a diagnosis of autism? I haven't seen that yet. TIA.
 

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