GUILTY OK - Jaymie Adams, 25, Blanchard, 9 Dec 2011

[Crosby87]

I didn’t see a video of Wednesday’s court proceedings and I suppose it’s because Adams appeared by video at the jail where he is being held. If Justin’s arraignment had taken place at the Court building, his family members would have had an opportunity to attend the proceeding and given him moral support but because LE had a deadline to meet, Justin’s family members were denied this opportunity.

Psych evaluations or a competency evaluation of a defendant are typically ordered by the Courts to determine if the accused is competent to stand trial. An insanity defense will also usually require the defendant to undergo a psychological evaluation. The media report didn't say Justin entered a plea on Wednesday at the arraignment.

The presiding Judge in a murder case often appoint a forensic psychiatrist to explore the personality and behavior of the spouse accused of murder and be asked to give an opinion on whether the partner is violent and capable of murder.

Why was Justin denied bail? I doubt he is a flight risk or a danger to himself or his child. His lawyer Irven Box said he has seen no evidence linking his client to the crime before Justin was formally charged on Monday. Justin and his mother went and searched for Jaymie in the area where Jaymie’s van was parked and her body was found within a 5 mile radius. LE think after Jaymie was murdered, her body was moved to the outskirts of the City. If Jaymie wasn’t planning to entertain her client(s) at a house in the vicinity, she wouldn’t have parked at this particular restaurant. I think Jaymie left her van to attend a house party closeby and she took her cell phone with her which is why her and Justin’s cell phones pinged off the same tower on Saturday. I don’t think Jaymie left this area after she arrived at the McDs. LE might have charged Justin with the crime simply because he and his mother searched the area where bodies are often dumped which turned out to be where Jaymie’s body was later found.

Justin did turn his personal computer over to LE when his house was searched which proves he had one and bolsters his mother's claim that Justin was logged on to his computer after his wife left and his kids were in bed on Friday evening. Without access to a vehicle and 3 child to tend to, and with no evidence of domestic violence in the home, I believe Justin is innocent until the prosecution prove he is guilty.

 

[BritsKate]

I think Jaymie’s arrival time at McD in MWC is wrong and off by one hour. Justin said his wife left their home between 10 and 11 pm so it looks like Jaymie left after her children were in bed and fast asleep. If Jaymie booked hourly appointments and spent an hour with a client before she drove to MWC, her arrival time would have been 12:36 pm not 11:36 pm. I think Jaymie arrived at 12:36 pm and waited outside in her van for Cyr to contact her by telephone and he was in charge of making the arrangements for their meeting.

The media reports said Justin said his wife contacted him by phone and told him she had arrived at the McD in MWC at 11:36 pm.

Cyr allegedly spoke with Jaymie at 1 am, so I think that is the time Cyr agreed to call her and Jaymie didn’t wait an hour and a half at McD. Restaurant.

Here's my problem with any timeline so far - it is almost entirely based on what 'Justin said'. I believe the cell phone records will tell the true story of whom was where and when.

I didn’t see a video of Wednesday’s court proceedings and I suppose it’s because Adams appeared by video at the jail where he is being held. If Justin’s arraignment had taken place at the Court building, his family members would have had an opportunity to attend the proceeding and given him moral support but because LE had a deadline to meet, Justin’s family members were denied this opportunity.

Psych evaluations or a competency evaluation of a defendant are typically ordered by the Courts to determine if the accused is competent to stand trial. An insanity defense will also usually require the defendant to undergo a psychological evaluation. The media report didn't say Justin entered a plea on Wednesday at the arraignment.

The presiding Judge in a murder case often appoint a forensic psychiatrist to explore the personality and behavior of the spouse accused of murder and be asked to give an opinion on whether the partner is violent and capable of murder.

Why was Justin denied bail? I doubt he is a flight risk or a danger to himself or his child. His lawyer Irven Box said he has seen no evidence linking his client to the crime before Justin was formally charged on Monday. Justin and his mother went and searched for Jaymie in the area where Jaymie’s van was parked and her body was found within a 5 mile radius. LE think after Jaymie was murdered, her body was moved to the outskirts of the City. If Jaymie wasn’t planning to entertain her client(s) at a house in the vicinity, she wouldn’t have parked at this particular restaurant. I think Jaymie left her van to attend a house party closeby and she took her cell phone with her which is why her and Justin’s cell phones pinged off the same tower on Saturday. I don’t think Jaymie left this area after she arrived at the McDs. LE might have charged Justin with the crime simply because he and his mother searched the area where bodies are often dumped which turned out to be where Jaymie’s body was later found.

Justin did turn his personal computer over to LE when his house was searched which proves he had one and bolsters his mother's claim that Justin was logged on to his computer after his wife left and his kids were in bed on Friday evening. Without access to a vehicle and 3 child to tend to, and with no evidence of domestic violence in the home, I believe Justin is innocent until proven guilty.

BBM #1: On what do you base this? There has been nothing released, to my knowledge, indicating whether he would/wouldn't be a flight risk. No details of passport or relationships abroad. Further I have seen nothing that indicates whether his child would be safe in his care. Obviously considering the recent calls to LE over domestic abuse I think a home/psychological/custodial assessment would be required.

BBM #2: There is a history of domestic violence. You don't have to believe Jaymie was abused, of course, but there is most definitely known history and therefore evidence.

All Justin turning over his PC says to me is: he may know very little about computers and he wanted to appear helpful. He could easily have been playing on his facebook from his mobile too.

I am not trusting the timeline for Jaymie's murder - or the location of possible participants - to involved parties. JMO

 

[CrimeHater]

You both have good points. I keep going back and forth. I just hope we get more evidence because I din't feel like what we know about is enough as of now.

 

[Crosby87]

It’s possible someone in the McD parking lot saw Jaymie get out of her van and leave with someone. Normally LE asks the public if they happened to see a missing person at the last place they were known to be and they won’t come forward and speak with LE unless someone jogs their memory. Was this done after Justin reported his wife missing? Judging by the size of the parking lot at McD, it’s possible someone saw Jaymie leave her vehicle and get into another one and they didn't report it to LE.

I don’t think LE have solved this crime and so far they don’t have the evidence they need to convict Justin for murder so LE should’ve waited until they had crucial evidence before they charged Justin with double murder. LE are always eager to make an arrest and I wonder if they seriously accounted for the fact that Justin had no vehicle and was in charge of 2 young children and a 4-month-old baby after his wife left the house, assuming Jaymie drove herself to the McDonalds Restaurant and the information in the media reports is accurate. I don't think Cyr was thoroughly investigated.

LE charged Justin with double murder because of the domestic abuse allegations not because they have evidence which directly links him to the crime according to his lawyer; so unless this changes, I don’t see how the murder charges against Justin will stick. In the near future, I'm expecting the charges against Justin for double murder to be dropped due to a lack of evidence.

LE inspected Justin’s vehicle, his mother’s vehicle, and his house and they came up empty-handed. How can Justin be directly responsible for his wife’s murder if he was in charge of the children Friday night? If Justin murdered his wife and his children saw what happened, two of Jaymie’s children who can talk would implicate Justin.

In the State of Oklahoma, pimping is classed as a misdemeanor and the penalty for the first offense 30 days-1 yr or up to $2,500, 2nd offense 30 days-1 yr or up to $5,000, consequent offenses 30 days-1 yr or up to $7,500.

If LE can prove Justin was pimping his wife, LE should have laid these charges first and elevated the charges to two counts of murder when they had enough solid evidence against him; enough to win a conviction. mo

http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000119

 

[cocomod]

Respectfully, I do not think that we know what evidence LE has at this point. LE does not have to reveal their evidence to we the public until later. I do not know how much of the evidence they have provided to Justin's attorney.

I sincerely hope that it is not as simple as a narrowed view of the case by LE. My experience lately is that LE is actually AFRAID to make an arrest too soon. They have shown to be afraid of not having a strong enough case to get a guilty verdict. I am waiting patiently to be proven wrong; but at this point, I am going to assume that LE has a GREAT deal more than we are aware of.

 

[cluciano63]

Respectfully, I do not think that we know what evidence LE has at this point. LE does not have to reveal their evidence to we the public until later. I do not know how much of the evidence they have provided to Justin's attorney.

I sincerely hope that it is not as simple as a narrowed view of the case by LE. My experience lately is that LE is actually AFRAID to make an arrest too soon. They have shown to be afraid of not having a strong enough case to get a guilty verdict. I am waiting patiently to be proven wrong; but at this point, I am going to assume that LE has a GREAT deal more than we are aware of.

I agree 100%. LE has not been hasty in charging people, especially husbands, in crimes of late. I think they have plenty of evidence and only have shown so far what they must. I think there may be different stages of the process when all evidence must be revealed. And a defense attorney or a mother is never a reliable source for actual information. JMO

 

[SuziQ]

It's routine to deny bail on first degree murder charges. The prosecutor also brought up the 100K life insurance policy. This guy is facing two first degree murder charges and it looks like for financial gain as well. That might qualify for the death penalty. I'd say there is good reason to deny bail.

 

[Fishee]

I do not know how much of the evidence they have provided to Justin's attorney.

Disclosure kicks in with the charge. Prosecutors must now cough up what they have to the defense.

At least that's how it's supposed to work.

 

[Fishee]

It's routine to deny bail on first degree murder charges. The prosecutor also brought up the 100K life insurance policy. This guy is facing two capital murder charges and it looks like for financial gain as well. That might qualify for the death penalty. I'd say there is good reason to deny bail.

There is no bail/bond in a capital case.

 

[nursebeeme]

new warrants were filed yesterday...

In the papers, investigators talk about a woman Justin Adams allegedly made a call to on the day he was arrested.
Detectives said they believe Lisa Marie Leaver-Pate and Justin Adams had an "ongoing personal relationship."
Police said they seized her cellphone records and also asked Yahoo to hand over emails from Justin Adams' email account.
Officers said they believe there may be evidence linked to Jaymie Adams' death in those emails.

Read more: http://www.koco.com/news/30521335/detail.html#ixzz1nDXOcKV4

bet these two had plans for that 100k :twocents:

 

[nursebeeme]

Woman's Cell Phone Records Examined In Jaymie Adams' Case - YouTube

 

[SuziQ]

There is no bail/bond in a capital case.

True. I edited my post. I meant to type first degree murder not capital.

 

[Crosby87]

There is no bail/bond in a capital case.

This is why I thought Justin was automatically denied bond.

If LE had charged Justin with pimping, he would have been allowed to post bond.

 

[Crosby87]

If Justin murdered his wife, when and where did the murder occur and where did Justin hide her decomposing body before he moved it to the dirt bike trail where it was discovered? And how did Justin move her body without leaving the scent of decomposition all over his clothes and body? Why would Justin risk moving Jaymie's body if he already had it securely hidden from LE?

If Justin murdered his wife and kept her body hidden in or near their house for several weeks, LE would have detected the smell of human decomposition when they searched his home and vehicles. If Justin had someone help him move the body to the outskirts of town, their vehicle would stink.

Justin reported his wife missing weeks before her body was found and since he's been LE’s main suspect from the beginning and LE confiscated their vehicles, how did Justin move her decomposing and foul smelling body to the dirt bike trail without LE or anyone else finding out and conceal the stench left behind from her body?

 

[Crosby87]

I think Jaymie was picked up, driven to a house party, and murdered inside the home and the reason her killer moved her body “outside” several weeks later was because of the stench it was making inside their house. The smell would attract unwanted attention so they had to get rid of it in a hurry so they transported it likely during the night from the home to the bike trail on the outskirts of town and the murder weapon and blood was in the house.

I think the homes of the people Jaymie had contact with by phone before she disappeared should be searched with a cadaver dog. I think the dog would still be able to detect Jaymie's scent after all this time.

 

[Crosby87]

Woman's Cell Phone Records Examined In Jaymie Adams' Case - YouTube

According to this report, LE just requested Justin's email accounts from Yahoo.

 

[Crosby87]

It's routine to deny bail on first degree murder charges. The prosecutor also brought up the 100K life insurance policy. This guy is facing two first degree murder charges and it looks like for financial gain as well. That might qualify for the death penalty. I'd say there is good reason to deny bail.

Justin was in jail when he appeared by video at his arraignment on Wednesday. Can the public and media attend these types of hearings at the court house or is it closed?

I read one media report and it didn’t provide any information on what transpired during the arraignment so if there is a detailed report available could someone please post the link?

AFAIK the information on the life insurance policy was reported in the media. Did the prosecution discuss it at Justin's arraignment?

 

[Crosby87]

The above link to the 'Woman's Cell Phone Records Examined In Jaymie Adams' Case no longer works so here's another one.

Woman's Cell Phone Records Examined In Jaymie Adams' Case - YouTube

 

[TxLady2]

I think Jaymie was picked up, driven to a house party, and murdered inside the home and the reason her killer moved her body “outside” several weeks later was because of the stench it was making inside their house. The smell would attract unwanted attention so they had to get rid of it in a hurry so they transported it likely during the night from the home to the bike trail on the outskirts of town and the murder weapon and blood was in the house.

I think the homes of the people Jaymie had contact with by phone before she disappeared should be searched with a cadaver dog. I think the dog would still be able to detect Jaymie's scent after all this time.

From what I've learned, it would not take weeks for that odor to become so unbearable. The odor starts to be very noticeable within the first 24 hours or less. After several weeks, it would be nearly gone, but still noticeable. If they waited weeks to remove a dead body, then they had to be living somewhere else, themselves.

 

[SuziQ]

Justin was in jail when he appeared by video at his arraignment on Wednesday. Can the public and media attend these types of hearings at the court house or is it closed?

I read one media report and it didn’t provide any information on what transpired during the arraignment so if there is a detailed report available could someone please post the link?

AFAIK the information on the life insurance policy was reported in the media. Did the prosecution discuss it at Justin's arraignment?

It came from the prosecutor.

(snip)
Also, prosecutors revealed that Justin Adams had taken out a $100,000 life insurance policy on his wife.

Read more: http://www.koco.com/news/30449062/detail.html#ixzz1nRfjfrya