Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #62 ~ the appeal~

[aftermath]

Yes RS was a an elective mute.

That's the same woman who was doing some public speaking the next day!

So if you are speaking to a group of schoolgirls the following day it figures that the night before you would not be able to stay quiet if you thought there could be an armed intruder approaching? !

 

[Colin de France]

Yes it was a crime scene, but as another poster said earlier- pistorius was saying from the outset that it was an accident. Why would aimee and carice doubt him- unless you think he quietly confessed to one of them at some point? She would want to help reeva because she is a human being capable of compassion for another human being. I don't agree that it is pushing possibles too far or bordering on ridicule.

....of course it's bordering on ridicule as theories go.......it just shouts out there's something dodgy, why didn't she take Reeva's clothes at the same her and any other of her belongings....you know what i reckon, i reckon the telephone that went missing was in the bag...............

 

[cottonweaver]

I can understand why someone - especially a woman who uses handbags- might not like the idea of just leaving a dead woman's handbag in a house. - especially if I wasn't sure if I could trust the police. Had the missing watches already been noticed by the time the bag was taken to the police station, does anyone know?

Anecdotally, when a colleague died suddenly at work, it seemed wrong to just leave his broken glasses on the desk- so a different colleague took them, with his hat, to our dead colleague's wife. Obviously his death wasn't suspicious, and it is a specific anecdote, but perhaps because of this I can understand aimee and carice's desire to help/do something/ make sure it got to her mother...

Handbag issue from Lithgow
Was Aimee taking the handbag a reasonable thing to do in the circumstances?

I asked a few women, incidentally - roughly Aimee’s age, 30s & 40s. Three said they wouldn’t and one was unsure/might take. I did tell them imagine they have only met the deceased once.

Unsure person thought aimee’s action could be reasonable – for safe-keeping, they would take it, only if it was foisted on them and they felt they had no choice in the matter but they would rather not take it. That person said interestingly the only reason to take a bag of a deceased would be to hand it straight in to cops as they would not want it in their house/possession for more than a few minutes as it’s not their friends bag. And they thought if the cops were there/en route they would give it to the cops directly rather than go driving looking for a police station in the early hours of the morning.

Other three said no because
1) if cops were there/imminent I wouldn’t take a “stranger’s “bag because they would not want to be responsible for the contents as they wouldn’t know if important/valuables were in it and they could end up implicated and precisely because their brother had killed the person
2) next person would only take a bag if it was an RTA and if there was no-one alive at the scene and they were worried someone else might steal it but no they wouldn’t take a bag where it was a homicide scenario
3) last person wouldn’t take the back because a crime had occurred and they didn’t know the mother nor her address etc. and it would be scary to take it in the serious circumstances of a killing so they would prefer not to even touch it but prefer to leave it with the body/cops or medics.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think we have moved on now to speculating why Reeva was still behind the door when shot and how this seems unlikely if she believed she was in terrible danger.

I've no idea whether aimee taking the bag was reasonable or not. She knew Reeva and made no secret that she took it so probably she just though she was helping
. There may have been contact info there the police could use. That's what I'd be thinking.

But the contact infos weren't very useful if they have been carried around in Aimee's car and weren't available at the crime scene or at the office.

 

[Colin de France]

So if you are speaking to a group of schoolgirls the following day it figures that the night before you would not be able to stay quiet if you thought there could be an armed intruder approaching? !

....you're not thinking there....if Reeva was in the WC and Baba was in the hallway then that only leaves one place.....that's why she would of cried out "where's the intruder" simply to make sure it wasn't her he was shouting at .........

 

[cottonweaver]

So if you are speaking to a group of schoolgirls the following day it figures that the night before you would not be able to stay quiet if you thought there could be an armed intruder approaching? !

According to yourselves it's perfectly plausible that RS never uttered a word nor an involuntary biological response ( aka a scream) from "Cant you sleep baba" until her death.

From all accounts of RS given by the bereaved and the pathologist, I am not under any impression that the woman was either a MOUSE nor a robot ( absent bio responses. )

 

[Colin de France]

Handbag issue from Lithgow
Was Aimee taking the handbag a reasonable thing to do in the circumstances?

I asked a few women, incidentally - roughly Aimee’s age, 30s & 40s. Three said they wouldn’t and one was unsure/might take. I did tell them imagine they have only met the deceased once.

Unsure person thought aimee’s action could be reasonable – for safe-keeping, they would take it, only if it was foisted on them and they felt they had no choice in the matter but they would rather not take it. That person said interestingly the only reason to take a bag of a deceased would be to hand it straight in to cops as they would not want it in their house/possession for more than a few minutes as it’s not their friends bag. And they thought if the cops were there/en route they would give it to the cops directly rather than go driving looking for a police station in the early hours of the morning.

Other three said no because
1) if cops were there/imminent I wouldn’t take a “stranger’s “bag because they would not want to be responsible for the contents as they wouldn’t know if important/valuables were in it and they could end up implicated and precisely because their brother had killed the person
2) next person would only take a bag if it was an RTA and if there was no-one alive at the scene and they were worried someone else might steal it but no they wouldn’t take a bag where it was a homicide scenario
3) last person wouldn’t take the back because a crime had occurred and they didn’t know the mother nor her address etc. and it would be scary to take it in the serious circumstances of a killing so they would prefer not to even touch it but prefer to leave it with the body/cops or medics.

...............and you don't need to be a woman to agree .!

 

[aftermath]

....you're not thinking there....if Reeva was in the WC and Baba was in the hallway then that only leaves one place.....that's why she would of cried out "where's the intruder" simply to make sure it wasn't her he was shouting at .........

Not if she thought he was shouting at an intruder. Why would she think he might have mistaken her for an intruder? Why would she think - perhaps he didn't see me leave the room, heard me open the window and jumped to the wrong conclusion?

 

[GR_Turner]

....you're not thinking there....if Reeva was in the WC and Baba was in the hallway then that only leaves one place.....that's why she would of cried out "where's the intruder" simply to make sure it wasn't her he was shouting at .........

He was in the bedroom when he started shouting and she wouldn't know whether an intruder had got past him or not. So an intruder could have been coming up the corridor towards her. That's why it would make no sense to start shouting but to lock the door and listen carefully by standing behind the door as she did.

 

[GR_Turner]

But the contact infos weren't very useful if they have been carried around in Aimee's car and weren't available at the crime scene or at the office.

She handed it in at the police station though so it was available there and she may have felt it was safer there. Remember that the police removed the door from the scene because they were afraid one of the policemen might steal it so the same might have applied to other things.

 

[Colin de France]

She handed it in at the police station though so it was available there and she may have felt it was safer there. Remember that the police removed the door from the scene because they were afraid one of the policemen might steal it so the same might have applied to other things.

........it had nothing to do with her whatsoever.....by moving it from the crime scene she would not have been doing any service to the investigation which was a barrier she decided to cross on purpose ....

 

[Colin de France]

He was in the bedroom when he started shouting and she wouldn't know whether an intruder had got past him or not. So an intruder could have been coming up the corridor towards her. That's why it would make no sense to start shouting but to lock the door and listen carefully by standing behind the door as she did.

.........but then of course she would have gone past the intruder on the way to the WC......not only that she would of heard the noise that the intruder made if it wasn't her.....

 

[cottonweaver]

...............and you don't need to be a woman to agree .!

absolutely - only reason i asked women was that part of the strain of it's acceptable for Aimee to do it, so i asked women.

plus that weirdness about men rooting thru womens' handbags etc would have clouded the issue!

 

[Colin de France]

absolutely - only reason i asked women was that part of the strain of it's acceptable for Aimee to do it, so i asked women.

plus that weirdness about men rooting thru womens' handbags etc would have clouded the issue!

........the same would apply to a man moving another mans wallet...........it's just not done....

 

[Colin de France]

......she should have been charged for having removed the bag......even if she did hand it in afterwards...interfering with a crime scene or perverting the course of justice...or both

 

[lithgow1]

But the contact infos weren't very useful if they have been carried around in Aimee's car and weren't available at the crime scene or at the office.

Indeed. Was Aimee going to play Nancy Drew and go through the bag looking for what she thought was important to the investigation?

 

[Colin de France]

......she should have been charged for having removed the bag......even if she did hand it in afterwards...interfering with a crime scene or perverting the course of justice...or both

....and i forgot...contamination of evidence.....i like that one...got a nice ring to it ...

 

[cottonweaver]

......she should have been charged for having removed the bag......even if she did hand it in afterwards...interfering with a crime scene or perverting the course of justice...or both

absolutely.

that is the issue. potentially crucial evidence removed.

unfortunately it takes us back to the issue of SAPS allowing the P clan a lot of extra mileage at the scene and their inadequacy - safe contents, hand washing, deceased effects taken, OP's personal phone going walkies.....

All their inadequacy was in his favour really, or to their own detriment. I hear you cry stealing watches was not in OP's favour. True. I'm 50/50 on that one. It could be a low-wage cop true, could be OP/OP family.

As for the door being at risk of being stolen. I don't recall that. risk of damage forensically - i remember that sure. Risk of being photographed by a low-wage cop bribed by hordes of cash-money papps - i remember that. Can't imagine it's worth asking for a link to that statement from the cops about door stealers?

 

[Colin de France]

absolutely.

that is the issue. potentially crucial evidence removed.

unfortunately it takes us back to the issue of SAPS allowing the P clan a lot of extra mileage at the scene and their inadequacy - safe contents, hand washing, deceased effects taken, OP's personal phone going walkies.....

All their inadequacy was in his favour really, or to their own detriment. I hear you cry stealing watches was not in OP's favour. True. I'm 50/50 on that one. It could be a low age cop true, could be OP/OP family.

As for the door being at risk of being stolen. I don't recall that. risk of damage forensically - i remember that sure. Risk of being photographed by a low-wage cop bribed by hordes of cash-money papps - i remember that. Can't imagine it's worth asking for a link to that statement from the cops about door stealers?

...........as for the door going missing, don't you know cops have big pockets............

 

[cottonweaver]

As Bjork sang, it's all gone quiet.

So here's other point i read a few pages back whilst I was catching up with your posts

Spinning off from Estelle’s earlier post –what do posters think is an appropriate community service from OP? ( I’d like to reiterate Estelle’s question. )

Can you suggest something appropriate?

Katydid23 has said he’ll end up working with special needs children, I don’t think katy is saying she thinks that’s appropriate though.

Do any of you remember Boy George sweeping the streets of NY as his comm serv?