Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #68 *Appeal Verdict*

[aftermath]

Not funny or clever. Quite tediously irrelevant, actually, since there were no intruders. Just a terrified, screaming girlfriend.

And so it swings back to the ' there was no intruder line.' Equally tedious. IMO, as everyone is aware that there was no intruder. However given that Pistorius says he believed there was an intruder, exploring what options he might have felt he had even if he was ultimately wrong is not really irrelevant

 

[Noisy Fan]

Now you are sounding desperate - locked and blocked eh? you try to make it sound like a 5 minute operation there to pull the bat out and turn the key! I can assure you that with a gun trained on the passage he was safer and Reeva was safer than him going on a suicide mission on his stumps. What a cliche about hindsight - he wasn't mentally disabled, just physically.

Bib ~I don't believe you, it's just empty words on a forum to bolster an argument, a bad argument at that.

I disagree.

 

[Hazy]

I don't know. Are there big, bad, dangerous intruder rules on behaviour?[/QUOTE


Possibly they follow some kind of criminal code. Like, why climb up a ladder into a bathroom to where the occupants might be asleep upstairs when there's an easier way in -like a broken window downstairs.

 

[LemonMousse]

There once was a man called Pistorius
Whose fan club considered him glorious
No wrong did he do
When he shot up the loo
They almost declared him victorious

Good night.

 

[Hazy]

Sorry you are wrong. There is a chronology to what he did. The screams of anguish and anger at himself along with calls for help occurred after he realized that it could have been Reeva in the toilet.

' I screamed like I've never screamed before m'lady''

 

[aftermath]

There once was a man called Pistorius
Whose fan club considered him glorious
No wrong did he do
When he shot up the loo
They almost declared him victorious

Good night.

Great. But probably better off on a supporters site than on here!

 

[LemonMousse]

And so it swings back to the ' there was no intruder line.' Equally tedious. IMO, as everyone is aware that there was no intruder. However given that Pistorius says he believed there was an intruder, exploring what options he might have felt he had even if he was ultimately wrong is not really irrelevant

I'm not inclined to take anything that man says at face value....just like the FIVE judges and two assessors, I think he's a liar.

So discussing what options were available to him is as sensible as asking whether Cinderella lost her shoe on purpose that night. It's make believe, all of it. And you having to put words in his mouth to explain the unexplainable says more than you realise.

 

[Noisy Fan]

' I screamed like I've never screamed before m'lady''

... and when was this ... when he was screaming for them to get out of the house or when he was screaming out in anguish after he realized what he might have done or when he was screaming out for help or maybe all of the above ...

 

[aftermath]

I'm not inclined to take anything that man says at face value....just like the FIVE judges and two assessors, I think he's a liar.

So discussing what options were available to him is as sensible as asking whether Cinderella lost her shoe on purpose that night. It's make believe, all of it. And you having to put words in his mouth to explain the unexplainable says more than you realise.

What words?!

 

[Noisy Fan]

There once was a man called Pistorius
Whose fan club considered him glorious
No wrong did he do
When he shot up the loo
They almost declared him victorious

Good night.

night night ...

 

[Noisy Fan]

Just for the record here.

I believe based on the evidence that there is a possibility that what he says is what happened. Therefore I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I am not 100% sure he is innocent even of pre-meditiated murder but as I say, for me, the state did not make it's case.

I will admit to you all it bothers me when someone says they are 100% sure he killed her on purpose.

 

[soozieqtips]

P7 of the big bad dangerous intruder's handbook: ' in the event you have broken into a bathroom and have disturbed the homeowner, one option is to temporarily hide your presence eg behind a cubicle door, in the hope that the disturbed homeowner, drowsy from sleep is just doing a cursory check over the rooms nearby. If however the homeowner gets too close and you risk being discovered, you can come out. guns blazing, with the benefit of the of surprise '

Page 1 of the idiotic intruder's handbook.

1. Find a high-security estate with a sealed-off electrified fence and attempt to climb over.
2. Once over (if not fried by fence), try to get past armed guards, security cameras, alarms and guard dogs without being noticed by anybody or anything.
3. Once safely past armed guards, security cameras, alarms and guard dogs, climb a ladder very stealthily in the dark all the way up to a small window and enter.
4. Once inside, after shock of realising you are now in bathroom rather than diamond vault, enter toilet and draw attention to yourself and slam door.
5. Once you hear owner screaming at you to get the f*** out of his house, realise you have seconds to leave the toilet, exit through the bathroom window back down the conveniently placed ladder, get past the armed guards, security cameras, guard dogs and alarms - and climb back over the sealed-off electric fence (without being fried) - and then... oh wait. You're dead because you weren't given the chance to leave.

 

[Hazy]

... and when was this ... when he was screaming for them to get out of the house or when he was screaming out in anguish after he realized what he might have done or when he was screaming out for help or maybe all of the above ...

In this trail the term screaming also meant crying and wailing.
He DID say that he screamed in the passageway. Something like reeva .... Why are. .. Aren't you phoning the police. Reeva phone the police.

Not that I believe it was him screaming of course.

 

[Noisy Fan]

Page 1 of the idiotic intruder's handbook.

1. Find a high-security estate with a sealed-off electrified fence and attempt to climb over.
2. Once over (if not fried by fence), try to get past armed guards, security cameras, alarms and guard dogs without being noticed by anybody or anything.
3. Once safely past armed guards, security cameras, alarms and guard dogs, climb a ladder very stealthily in the dark all the way up to a small window and enter.
4. Once inside, after shock of realising you are now in bathroom rather than diamond vault, enter toilet and draw attention to yourself and slam door.
5. Once you hear owner screaming at you to get the f*** out of his house, realise you have seconds to leave the toilet, exit through the bathroom window back down the conveniently placed ladder, get past the armed guards, security cameras, guard dogs and alarms - and climb back over the sealed-off electric fence (without being fried) - and then... oh wait. You're dead because you weren't given the chance to leave.

Totally agree with you but is this relevant? We are dealing with a person who is responding to a perceived threat not trying to determine what invisible intruders would or would not do.

To play along maybe they were martians who really don't know our customs of desiring to protect our own ...

 

[Noisy Fan]

In this trail the term screaming also meant crying and wailing.
He DID say that he screamed in the passageway. Something like reeva .... Why are. .. Aren't you phoning the police. Reeva phone the police.

Not that I believe it was him screaming of course.

Good stuff ... all we are going for here is chronology and to establish that he just did not charge down the hallway screaming out of control ...

 

[Hazy]

Hi Soozie,

I thought hard on that one and the only thing I could think of was maybe he needed advice on what to do. Maybe he panicked (he did realize what he had done), maybe he was trying to get help to get her in the car to get her to the hospital quicker than an ambulance. I don't subscribe to the thought that he was soliciting help to get rid of a body although if there was evidence I would accept it.

Bin bags, rope and tape?

The one item far and away the most commonly used item to stop bleeding would be towels.

 

[Noisy Fan]

Has anyone here ever been on a pair of stilts?

 

[Noisy Fan]

Bin bags, rope and tape?

The one item far and away the most commonly used item to stop bleeding would be towels.

Agree ...

 

[aftermath]

Bin bags, rope and tape?

The one item far and away the most commonly used item to stop bleeding would be towels.

He used those too

 

[soozieqtips]

Totally agree with you but is this relevant? We are dealing with a person who is responding to a perceived threat not trying to determine what invisible intruders would or would not do.

To play along maybe they were martians who really don't know our customs of desiring to protect our own ...

BIB - I was trying to highlight how totally ludicrous it would be for any intruder to attempt to break in at Silverwoods with all the security in place. Plus, it was a very very safe estate - so safe that an apparently fearful OP, in constant fear of intruders, happily slept with his balcony doors open, as did some of the other residents. OP wasn't even sure if his alarms were working. In all fairness, does that really sound like the behaviour of someone who was paranoid of break ins? Wouldn't someone of his jumpy disposition try and make sure he didn't make it easy for someone to enter in the first place?

The very fact he was so relaxed about open doors, an unfixed broken window and unchecked alarms must surely prove he wasn't as paranoid as he would have had the court believe? What do you think of the invisible shooter on the highway? And the friend who collected him from the restaurant car park, took him home, drove him back the next day - and whose name he forgot? If you don't buy that story, why do you think he would have made it up? The friend would have been sitting right next to him on the drive home (and the drive back) and OP would have been very anxious at almost being shot at - and yet he doesn't remember who picked him up? No one came forward to identify themselves as the friend and they must have surely been watching the trial, wouldn't you think?