P.I. Says He Videotaped Area Where Caylee Was Later Found

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  • #641
I'm not getting your logic here. He's still a county employee, no matter what, or which phone line he called.

Exactly, he IS a county employee and KNOWS therefore that he is inelligible for any reward moneys being offered, so why even bother with calling the Crime Stoppers line rather than LE if not for some potential HOPE of collecting the reward? It WAS a big reward, and maybe if he called while he was off-duty, he thought that may have made a difference whether or not he could collect? Just theorizing...no logic required.:)
 
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  • #643
As best I know that is opinion, not fact. If true, you're wrong.

The PI was no longer under any contract with Baez as of Oct 1. This alleged video was made several weeks into November and he was in the employ of the Anthony's at THAT point. So his video should not be covered by work-product, UNLESS Baez is the one who let it slip in front of him that was the location of the body and if THAT is the case, well, that is another whole new can of worms...:eek:
 
  • #644
UNLESS Baez is the one who let it slip in front of him that was the location of the body and if THAT is the case, well, that is another whole new can of worms...:eek:

That's my whole point. Why is JB so worried about attorney privilege??? It's because of the fact that the information is about where Casey dumped the body. He's darn near admitting that his client killed Caylee and dumped her body in the swamp off of Suburban Drive. What other explanation is there? I'm sure he could try explaining it as Casey was doing an "I didn't really do it but if I would have, here's how I would have done it and where I would probably have hid the body". Kind of like OJ but at least he waited until he was aqquited before he played that game.
 
  • #645
The PI was no longer under any contract with Baez as of Oct 1. This alleged video was made several weeks into November and he was in the employ of the Anthony's at THAT point. So his video should not be covered by work-product, UNLESS Baez is the one who let it slip in front of him that was the location of the body and if THAT is the case, well, that is another whole new can of worms...:eek:

I never mentioned Baez. The question is: is the video privileged work product?

Insufficient information exists to say it is not.

I highly suspect it is.
 
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  • #647
I feel very strongly that it's not the same bag- and I have a really hard time understanding how anyone can feel certain that it is.

I agree 100%
 
  • #648
I never mentioned Baez. The question is: is the video privileged work product?

Insufficient information exists to say it is not.

I highly suspect it is.

If the PI was hired directly by the Anthony family and NOT by their attorney, which I am not even sure they had retained at that point? then there is no work-product privilege. Random individuals are not covered under that clause, only attorneys who represent clients. But regardless if it is or is not covered, it is HINKY that the video exists at all in the time frame that is being discussed and Mr. Baez reaction is MOST alarming.:waitasec:
 
  • #649
If the PI was hired directly by the Anthony family and NOT by their attorney, which I am not even sure they had retained at that point? then there is no work-product privilege. Random individuals are not covered under that clause, only attorneys who represent clients. But regardless if it is or is not covered, it is HINKY that the video exists at all in the time frame that is being discussed and Mr. Baez reaction is MOST alarming.:waitasec:

The work product doctrine extends beyond attorney-client privilege.

HTH
 
  • #650
Baez is doing the right thing here for his client. A master appointed by the court can raise objections to any questions by LE about any incidents or knowledge acquired prior to the termination date of the PI's contract with Baez. It isn't the defense or the prosecution that is in trouble here, it's the PI. If he answers all the questions by LE/Pros he can be sued by Baez for breach of contract and if he doesn't answer all the questions he can be charged by the prosecution for obstruction of justice.

Of course the PI isn't going to respond to LE's invitation to talk until he has an attorney lined up who can interpret the contract he had with Baez and can advise him of his contractual obligations and responsiblities and represent him at the questioning. Then there's the question of who is going to pay for all this - he can't be represented by anyone in Baez's firm, that would be a conflict of interest among other legal conundrums and depending on how well financed his company is, he may not be able to afford legal representation - so he and the attorney will have to work out some sort of deal.

This PI's life is about to get more complicated than he ever dreamed it would - and a hell of a lot more expensive too.
 
  • #651
All Baez wants to ensure is that the PI is not forced into revealing anything that COULD have transpired while in his employ. From what I understand, though the video was shot after he was no longer working for Baez, once in an interview with LE, they could ask him whatever they wanted about what he knows, and when he knew it. Baez is smartly suggesting he wants someone with the PI who has knowledge of the defense case to be with him to stop him answering those questions "accidentally."

If I were Baez, I would ask for this, also, not because I may have inadvertently said something in front of the guy, but because the guy worked for me during a very high profile case.
 
  • #652
The one account I read when this came out last week was that when the deputy showed up the meter man pointed where he say it and started into the woods but the deputy said no you stay out and I'll go in. when the deputy started in he encountered a snake and stopped and went back out. he never even made it to the spot. about that time the female deputy showed up to see if he needed help and the male deputy said no I looked and didn't see anything. maybe embaressed that he was scared off by snake and didn't even go all the way in? wish I could remember which article or news I saw that on, but I can't. anyway that makes sense to me and it will all come out soon. sounds like the male deputy was WAY negligent and needs to be let go, but guess we'll find out for sure soon.

This is what was reported here on our local news as well. The officer was under investigation followed by a big ole "oops" from LE. They admitted to the mistake and said the officer had cleared the area without doing his job properly due to having been scared off by a large snake.
 
  • #653
Exactly, he IS a county employee and KNOWS therefore that he is inelligible for any reward moneys being offered, so why even bother with calling the Crime Stoppers line rather than LE if not for some potential HOPE of collecting the reward? It WAS a big reward, and maybe if he called while he was off-duty, he thought that may have made a difference whether or not he could collect? Just theorizing...no logic required.:)

If you listen to the calls, you will find he did call LE first. It was LE that told him to call the tip line. He said he didn't want to because he was a county employee...and he didn't want him name out if something was found. But LE told him he could remain anonymous anyway and said they wanted him to call the tipline because that is where they were directing all the calls related to the case. So I think that pretty much ends the discussion of him doing this just for the money....
 
  • #654
All Baez wants to ensure is that the PI is not forced into revealing anything that COULD have transpired while in his employ. From what I understand, though the video was shot after he was no longer working for Baez, once in an interview with LE, they could ask him whatever they wanted about what he knows, and when he knew it. Baez is smartly suggesting he wants someone with the PI who has knowledge of the defense case to be with him to stop him answering those questions "accidentally."

If I were Baez, I would ask for this, also, not because I may have inadvertently said something in front of the guy, but because the guy worked for me during a very high profile case.

You are probably right Bev...and I have changed my mind on this one. It isn't necessarily that something was said by Casey that directed the guy to the site. He just wants to protect all information that this PI may have learned while he was working for the defense. I don't think we can rightfully jump to any conclusions at this point. JB is protecting his client...even if we don't like it.
 
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  • #656
If I was the PI, TxRose, I'd be hiding out too until I got all my ducks in a row. These people have businesses to protect that will go on long after this case is over. Who is now going to hire a PI who has blabbed to the police?
 
  • #657
Of course they wouldn't. According to all sources, the area was underwater up until a week and a half before the body was found. The article makes no sense at all. Can anyone make sense of these quotes, supposedly by Carlos Padilla?

"We will definitely look into that, absolutely," said Carlos Padilla, Orange County Sheriff's Office.

"They know the existence of the tape and want to look at all evidence that's available," Padilla said.

Who is 'they' if it's not 'we'?

I haven't read the whole thread yet so someone else probably responded to this, but here is what I think: CP is saying the OCSO will be looking into the tape and the events surrounding it.

I agree with your take on this Chilly - doesn't make sense. The neighbor that did the video of the area (and I believe others said) the area was under water until approx. a week to a week and a 1/2 before the body was found.

If we know Faye hit in late August then I would assume that is where a lot of water came from. But also, the area does appear to act as a retention/detention pond for the subdivision, so my own opinion is that there was water in the area even before Faye, just not as much as after Faye.

I do believe some of what we are hearing now is just media hype to keep the story going. Until LE comes out and says something about the "video" I'm not going to put much weight on it. Also, the body hunters (psychic) videotapped the area in August, supposedly. LE has said nothing about this video yet, as far as I know. Does that video show the actual area where Caylee was?

So far, what we have heard from the experts (TM & LE) is that it appears the bag was placed there very early on, probably in June.

I'm going with the experts until LE says otherwise. I think we need to be much more critical of what we are seeing in the media at this point. Things are starting to quiet down as the evidence is reviewed and prepared for trial. The media will continue to try to keep it forefront, because it has been a great attention grabbing story.

JMO,

Salem
 
  • #658
He couldn't collect it anyway as he's a County employee. He was supposedly trying to be a good citizen. I can't tell who is pro and who is anti anymore. :confused:

I will speak for myself. The true story is the simplest story. KC has a temper, she viewed her child as a posession. She killed her child. She lied. She got caught. bad guy! Meter reader found body after a couple of attemps. Good guy. LE and TES missed seeing the body for all of the growth in the area. Good guys. The A's will stand by their girl. They will lie, cheat and steal if they have to... oh wait, wrong A. bad guys.
 
  • #659
Of course they wouldn't. According to all sources, the area was underwater up until a week and a half before the body was found. The article makes no sense at all. Can anyone make sense of these quotes, supposedly by Carlos Padilla?

"We will definitely look into that, absolutely," said Carlos Padilla, Orange County Sheriff's Office.

"They know the existence of the tape and want to look at all evidence that's available," Padilla said.

Who is 'they' if it's not 'we'?

I am constantly amazed at the way media choose to write things. The "they" in question refers to Baez's request to sit in with the PI's interview with LE. For whatever reason, the writer of this article split Padilla's comment. It makes for confusing reading and I wonder where the editor with the red pen was that let this go through in this way. It is just cruddy reporting.

But if you read these few paragraphs/sentences and put the first comment down with the rest of Padilla's comments, it makes sense.

(Original organization)
"They know the existence of the tape and want to look at all evidence that's available," Padilla said.

Investigators also want to talk to the Anthonys' private investigator who works with Hoover, Dominic Casey. The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic Casey used to work for the defense and attorney Jose Baez doesn't want him to divulge privileged information.Baez said investigators won't let him sit in on the questioning, so he's asking the judge to appoint a special master to protect defense secrets if the private eye agrees to talk.

"Investigators have tried to make arrangements with Mr. Casey to speak to him and he's not responded," Padilla said.

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Investigators also want to talk to the Anthonys' private investigator who works with Hoover, Dominic Casey. The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic Casey used to work for the defense and attorney Jose Baez doesn't want him to divulge privileged information.

Baez said investigators won't let him sit in on the questioning, so he's asking the judge to appoint a special master to protect defense secrets if the private eye agrees to talk.
"They know the existence of the tape and want to look at all evidence that's available," Padilla said. "Investigators have tried to make arrangements with Mr. Casey to speak to him and he's not responded," Padilla said.

I agree with you in part that WFTV shouldn't be the primary source of information if this is the way they're gonna go about it, but it isn't necessarily a conspiracy on their part to frame everyone, and more than likely due to their desire to have the jump on everyone else reporting on this case and allowing shoddy work through before thoroughly editing it for content.
 
  • #660
Actually it was a round white THING but that is neither here nor there. What is the case in point is that Caylee Marie Anthony was discovered on December 11, 2008 on Suburban Drive in a wooded area very close to the Anthony family. Further, she was NOT intact and her bones were spread over a one acre area and the area had to be gridded and sifted to locate as many of her tiny bones as could be found. She was inside her mother's trunk for at least 2.6 days give or take and a hair from her tiny skull was discovered in said car that was pulled from the head of a CORPSE. Human decomp was in her mother's car as well, and every single detail of every single story that her mother told the police was all ONE HUGE LIE-a waste to talk with her, a TOTAL waste as far as useful info for finding Caylee. Oh and did I mention she waited 31 days to even inform one single soul on the planet that her daughter was DEAD/MISSING? Now there are hoards of lawyers and media and PI's and Child Finding agencies having become involved and the stories and theories have spun out of control. But one thing we DO know is where Caylee lay inside a garbage bag and where she was finally found by the meter man who persistently kept after it. The place was a "dump site" so of course every manner and color of garbage was there, but one thing that was there that was NOT garbage was dear sweet baby Caylee and nothing that anyone filmed, saw or said is going to change that one hoot.:mad:

Just a slight correction - its repeatedly reported and its not accurate
and it really bugs me -

KC didnt wait 31 days - she never reported her daughter was missing
Cindy reported it by 911 . KC did speak to the dispatcher to clarify
some details when Cindy insisted she take the phone .
Even Cindy put Caylee last on the list of complaints - first the car theft
then money stolen and then oh yeah my grand daughter is missing
I firmly believe the order of priorities has not and will never change ( possessions, money then loved ones )
Caylee is still really far down on the list .
 
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