PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #2

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Last thing I’d like to say regarding the disparity in the Secret Service’s protection of former presidents etc.

This apparently is a flexible situation, as outgoing presidents often change the rules.

Nixon is the only one who declined protection.

Typically the children of a former President are only protected until they are 16, but Obama made some changes to that, and Trump made changes, as well. He insisted that his adult children be protected for six months AFTER he was out of office and that was done. Barron was 14 so he was still protected at the time.

IMO though it has to end sometime. John Tyler was President twenty years BEFORE Lincoln and he still has an actual GRANDSON who is now 95. (They all lived long lives and had children when they were elderly). Until recently Tyler actually had TWO elderly grandsons.

In its way it would’ve been great had JFK Jr., for example, still had SS protection and then he wouldn’t have died in his plane wreck. As it is I recall many citizens who were upset that so many resources were deployed to find him, but Clinton said that he’s a former president’s son and deserved to be found.

If we insist that every one attached to a president deserves endless protection, we will wind up IMO with inferior agents as there is so much training involved and there would be an endless amount of protectees.

Yes, of course this was a near tragedy for Trump and certainly a tragedy for Corey and his family.

Yet this protection expanding exponentially is really not sustainable. There is only one President at a time. He and his wife deserve protection.

So does Trump. In hindsight he either didn’t receive the correct amount, or someone dropped an exceedingly important ball.

JMO

ETA: a clipping from Wikipedia if anyone is interested in how Tyler still has a grandson 234 years after his own birth. I don’t want to go off-topic but making my point about the families of presidents and how long protection should last.

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"Yet nearly 48 hours after the shooting, investigators are struck by the lack of leads they’re finding about Crooks’ mindset and possible motives. Even after successfully breaking into his phone and searching his computer, scouring his search history and bedroom, and interviewing his family and friends, agents still haven’t found evidence that would suggest political or ideological impetus for the shooting, law enforcement sources told CNN."
 
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Sorry if repost, can’t keep up
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Holy moly on this video
 
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This is something I find hard to believe. It was 90 degrees that day. He is on top of a roof waiting for thirty minutes? I guess if a person is desperate to commit an assasination, they will do anything
 
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  • #407
I thought the same thing. Like, unless you know your kid is capable of that, why is it that when he was watching the shooting unfold his immediate thought was about his son and the gun?
Right? For most people it would be the farthest thing from our minds.
 
  • #408

"It’s unclear how Crooks assembled the explosive devices found in his car. Investigators parsing through his online search history haven’t found any indication of him researching how to make home-made explosives, law enforcement officials said."

Seems like LE is revealing some case detailsupdates, example phone, search history, etc.? Seems odd, unusual, imo, esp so early in investigation.

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"Yet nearly 48 hours after the shooting, investigators are struck by the lack of leads they’re finding about Crooks’ mindset and possible motives. Even after successfully breaking into his phone and searching his computer, scouring his search history and bedroom, and interviewing his family and friends, agents still haven’t found evidence that would suggest political or ideological impetus for the shooting, law enforcement sources told CNN."
 
  • #409
I am still waiting to see proof of him walking around with a gun. There were metal detectors at the event according to statements.
To get to the roof he was on, he did not have to go through the metal detectors. He was outside of the perimeter.
 
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  • #411
ok, he had to look suspicious carrying a ladder, but then again there is video of him climbing on the roof so I guess nothing is really surprising anymore.
Well, the CNN article did disclaim they can't confirm if TC even used the ladder or ammo purchased on Sunday so I guess there's that.

I'm struggling with the image of this young man packing a rifle and a ladder from his vehicle to the grounds without one person approaching him. This makes no sense to me. JMO
 
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"It’s unclear how Crooks assembled the explosive devices found in his car. Investigators parsing through his online search history haven’t found any indication of him researching how to make home-made explosives, law enforcement officials said."
He graduated college in May, may have used computers at school to research. But you would think they would have security features to track and report those kind of seaches.

Maybe he had a book?
 
  • #413
Ok, that ladder thing tells us that he had likely scoped out the area beforehand, and knew he'd need it. So he was either there in the days prior, or used Google Earth or something. I tend to think he was there in person, as he happened to pick the perfect spot with which to view the stage.
I wonder if he ever had been inside the building and had cased it days prior to the rally event.

I'm thinking that if the building did have some kind of an access to the roof from inside the building, you would think that roof access inside the building would have been guarded, blocked, or locked on the day of the rally event.
 
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Something I keep thinking about...

Imo, Trump was exposed multiple times/at multiple points while surrounded by Secret Service (height differences, him wanting to signal to the crowd).

He's tall, also has light hair, both of which stand out, especially among a sea of dark suits.

For situations like these, would it make sense for the group that would bodily surround him (or anyone they are tasked with protecting) to have some kind of kevlar-reinforced cover (small blanket size maybe?) to drape over his head and shoulders while they hustle him out of the way?

I am not sure how feasible it is but I feel like it would make the protected person less visible for continued assault until they could get to a safer location.

Just thoughts as all the protective actions are under scrutiny and may be changed or modified going forward.

Imo.

Not Kevlar, but Hamas uses this technique of covering hostages’ heads during transfer, not only so they can’t see, but so they can’t be seen.
 
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  • #417
Well, the CNN article did disclaim they can't confirm if TC even used the ladder or ammo purchased on Sunday so I guess there's that.

I'm struggling with the image of this young man packing a rifle and a ladder from his vehicle to the grounds without one person approaching him. This makes no sense to me. JMO
Agreed
 
  • #418
To get to the roof he was on, he did not have to go through the metal detectors. He was outside of the perimeter.
Yes I understand that but their were reports of him near the metal detector and in the event.
 
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"Yet nearly 48 hours after the shooting, investigators are struck by the lack of leads they’re finding about Crooks’ mindset and possible motives. Even after successfully breaking into his phone and searching his computer, scouring his search history and bedroom, and interviewing his family and friends, agents still haven’t found evidence that would suggest political or ideological impetus for the shooting, law enforcement sources told CNN."
Seems whoever mentioned this turning into another case like the Vegas shooter (I think Massguy?) was correct. I don’t think they’ve discovered motive to this day.
 
  • #420
Yes I understand that but their were reports of him near the metal detector and in the event.

Could he have been in that building prior to going to the roof?
 
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