GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[tlcya]

extremely frustrating for sure.

 

[jjenny]

extremely frustrating for sure.

The doctor that was murdered-police had a suspect very quickly and he is now arrested. With so many cameras, etc, why is this kidnapping so hard to solve? The perps appear to have been somewhere close to school. It's not a large area. They also appear to have had inside info on this child. I thought this was going to be solvable.

 

[necco]

The doctor that was murdered-police had a suspect very quickly and he is now arrested. With so many cameras, etc, why is this kidnapping so hard to solve? The perps appear to have been somewhere close to school. It's not a large area. They also appear to have had inside info on this child. I thought this was going to be solvable.

Well, the fact that the female suspect was wearing a burka sure isn't helping.

 

[jjenny]

Well, the fact that the female suspect was wearing a burka sure isn't helping.

Yep. It sure isn't.

 

[hollyblue]

The doctor that was murdered-police had a suspect very quickly and he is now arrested. With so many cameras, etc, why is this kidnapping so hard to solve? The perps appear to have been somewhere close to school. It's not a large area. They also appear to have had inside info on this child. I thought this was going to be solvable.

Even tho it was in broad daylight, the perp was covered head to toe with the exception of her eyes. What's left to help ID them? Unless the child was recognized, but we don't know for certain if the child was wearing something to cover her face as well.??

 

[jjenny]

Even tho it was in broad daylight, the perp was covered head to toe with the exception of her eyes. What's left to help ID them? Unless the child was recognized, but we don't know for certain if the child was wearing something to cover her face as well.??

But with so many cameras around, they could follow to see where she went.
And the two of them (kidnapper and a child) were walking together-nobody saw where the two of them went?

 

[belimom]

Even tho it was in broad daylight, the perp was covered head to toe with the exception of her eyes. What's left to help ID them? Unless the child was recognized, but we don't know for certain if the child was wearing something to cover her face as well.??

I agree that identifying the perps presents an additional obstacle due to the burka. However, I think suspects can be narrowed down to two groups of people:

1) family members (including peripheral ones)

2) someone with a vendetta against the grandfather

I think the crime(s) committed against little N were specifically chosen for a reason. And this particular child was chosen for a reason.

 

[necco]

If there is a large conservative Muslim population in the neighborhood, perhaps a woman in a burka is nothing of note. In my neighborhood, seeing a 5'3" 109 year old Italian man walking wouldn't even register. It's all about what's the norm where it happened.

 

[jjenny]

If there is a large conservative Muslim population in the neighborhood, perhaps a woman in a burka is nothing of note. In my neighborhood, seeing a 5'3" 109 year old Italian man walking wouldn't even register. It's all about what's the norm where it happened.

Maybe. Because it would have been noticeable around here. (Either 109 year old Italian man or woman in burka).

 

[belimom]

But with so many cameras around, they could follow to see where she went.
And the two of them (kidnapper and a child) were walking together-nobody saw where the two of them went?

I think in the streets of Philly, people are too busy/preoccupied to notice something as common as a woman (including a covered woman) walking down the street with a child. They may not have taken notice at all, not realizing that they even saw them if it was a common sight.

However, I can't believe that neighbors didn't see anything that day. That's what puzzles me -- that no one in that neighborhood saw someone coming back with N that morning.

(ETA - unless that home has a woman who dresses like that anyway and a child about the same age as N. If they covered N, you would never know. If that is true, then this was even more well-planned than I had imagined)

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I've been avoiding saying it, because I don't want us all so sure until we have some evidence... But when I saw the child being carried cradle style, I wondered about injuries. By the time kids are 5 they are so much easier to carry upright. I am worried about this poor baby girl either way. Whatever happened, it was very very awful for her.

There is no reason for a parent to go to any classroom unless they are scheduled to be there...period. IMO. Why would a parent want to disrupt the everyday atmospheres of teaching and education? I don't get it? A child doesn't need a parent's escort from a classroom? I attended elementary and grammar school in a small midwest town where all the entrances were never locked, yet never saw anyone but students, teachers and the faculty. There was no need for volunteers to be there unless school was already dismissed. Even then (50's & 60's) a note had to be given to the administration for a child's early release and the admin made sure the teacher knew. If an emergency, the admin always walked the parent up to the room just as common courtesy (before phones in the classroom to summon the child to the office). And for sure if admin or any of the teachers encountered an adult in the hallway...they would have inquired on what they were doing there. It would be interesting to research how often this did happen in those time periods. It just seems the perps are more vigilant and willing to take the risk anymore without a real care of being caught....and the fact the school employees are lacking in the vigilance? Why is that? What factors in the circumstances are different today vs then? Maybe I'm missing something? I never had children, so please forgive my ignorance, but why do the schools need daytime volunteers in the classroom today?

Studies say that it's a student body positive to have an active, involved, parents effort in the school. Seeing parents, and having school as an extension of a familial community creates a more positive learning environment and lessens behavioral issues. It's pretty much an established truth that less parent involvement is a negative for a school... so why wouldn't a school want parents there volunteering?

Parents have a great many reasons to be at the school! Making copies for teachers, setting up after school activity/club, prepping meals for teachers on conference weeks, designing the yearbook, setting up a fundraiser, helping teacher prep work, having lunch with their child, sorting lost and found, stuffing envelopes, setting up holiday parties (parents do that now, and teachers are generally thankful!), volunteer tutoring/mentoring for at risk students, IEP parent advocate for students who don't have a familial representative at IEP meetings, really the list goes on and on. The parents are a great resource to a school... as long as they aren't distracting during classes, schools generally want to encourage their volunteer efforts.

 

[necco]

I've been avoiding saying it, because I don't want us all so sure until we have some evidence... But when I saw the child being carried cradle style, I wondered about injuries. By the time kids are 5 they are so much easier to carry upright. I am worried about this poor baby girl either way. Whatever happened, it was very very awful for her.

Abby, I thought the same thing. Normally a child that age would be carried on a mother's hip. Unless, maybe she was asleep.

 

[hollyblue]

But with so many cameras around, they could follow to see where she went.
And the two of them (kidnapper and a child) were walking together-nobody saw where the two of them went?

I'd venture to guess, most residential neighborhoods don't have many surveillance camaras. Unless most of the 4-5 blocks? they took in route were commerical?

 

[tlcya]

Yeah on the telling carry position. I had hesitated to mention it but noticed it as well when the photo of N being carried by mom was first published.

When Matou was posting the links regarding our hero, Mr Mandela, finding her, I wanted to mention, that if her injuries are to the region we suspect either because of FGM or assault of a sexual nature, when he went to pick her up, being a father of a child of similar age, he would naturally swing her onto his hip. Unless he noted that position was causing her pain.

If she has been injured in that region, being carried in that manner would be excruciating. My point being, this gentleman probably knows alot more about the extent at least of her injuries than he has discussed in his few press appearances and statements. And I give him immense credit for that.

 

[countryfox]

No. they didn't. I was just a person walking in off the street. As a rule My dd came out to me. One day when it was cold I walked in the school and kept walking. I had to go down the main hall, up the stairs, down to the end of the next hall and then turn down her hall. It was not a short walk. NO ONE EVER stopped me. Asked my name, for ID nothing.

It is a different world. And down where she was in that part of the city, it is not any better. Sadly, The rules do not apply to everyone everywhere.

:moo::great:I believe the perp is someone familiar with the "laxed" school atmosphere. They seemed undaunted by the possibility of encountering problems with "security" measures.:moo: Also they were comfortable knowing how to bypass the main office, navigate their way directly to the exact classroom and sure to be unimpeded as they reached their destination.:moo: I would further venture to say this intimate knowledge of the environment, provided the awareness in advance that there was a substitute.To have gambled otherwise would have been an extraordinary stroke of luck. :twocents::twocents:

 

[necco]

Yeah on the telling carry position. I had hesitated to mention it but noticed it as well when the photo of N being carried by mom was first published.

When Matou was posting the links regarding our hero, Mr Mandela, finding her, I wanted to mention, that if her injuries are to the region we suspect either because of FGM or assault of a sexual nature, when he went to pick her up, being a father of a child of similar age, he would naturally swing her onto his hip. Unless he noted that position was causing her pain.

If she has been injured in that region, being carried in that manner would be excruciating. My point being, this gentleman probably knows alot more about the extend at least of her injuries than he has discussed in his few press appearances and statements. And I give him immense credit for that.

Valid point. However, if he doesn't have kids, there's a decent chance that as a man, he scooped her up bride over the threshold style. Men tend not to carry kids on their hips because... well... they don't have hips. Children they know tend to be carried on their shoulders or piggyback. A child unfamiliar and hurt, I think he'd have scooped up. That being said, I think he does know more than he's saying publicly. He must. And that makes him more of a hero.

 

[LJKaust]

It is very normal, and in fact encouraged, to be involved with your child's school over here (Australia) and I am guessing would be the same in the US? I help out in the classroom and in the canteen and they are always begging for more help.

Re the way N was carried, it would definitely be easier to carry her another way, under normal circumstances, but maybe her mother felt like she was protecting her more when she carried her that way. That may not make sense, but when my young children hurt themselves, I usually hold them in that same way to soothe them and will carry them in that same way if I feel like it'll make them feel better.

 

[Jules71]

I wonder if it could have been another parent of a child at that school.

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[necco]

:moo::great:I believe the perp is someone familiar with the "laxed" school atmosphere. They seemed undaunted by the possibility of encountering problems with "security" measures.:moo: Also they were comfortable knowing how to bypass the main office, navigate their way directly to the exact classroom and sure to be unimpeded as they reached their destination.:moo: I would further venture to say this intimate knowledge of the environment, provided the awareness in advance that there was a substitute.To have gambled otherwise would have been an extraordinary stroke of luck. :twocents::twocents:

I wonder if the regular teacher being out was scheduled in advance or if it was a last minute thing. Also, I wonder what the qualifications are to be on the sub list. Around here, they compile a list and then sent out a blast text or email. First come, first serve from people on the qualified list. If this was a last minute absence of the regular teacher, maybe the perp or someone in her household is on the sub list?

 

[hollyblue]

Studies say that it's a student body positive to have an active, involved, parents effort in the school. Seeing parents, and having school as an extension of a familial community creates a more positive learning environment and lessens behavioral issues. It's pretty much an established truth that less parent involvement is a negative for a school... so why wouldn't a school want parents there volunteering?

Parents have a great many reasons to be at the school! Making copies for teachers, setting up after school activity/club, prepping meals for teachers on conference weeks, designing the yearbook, setting up a fundraiser, helping teacher prep work, having lunch with their child, sorting lost and found, stuffing envelopes, setting up holiday parties (parents do that now, and teachers are generally thankful!), volunteer tutoring/mentoring for at risk students, IEP parent advocate for students who don't have a familial representative at IEP meetings, really the list goes on and on. The parents are a great resource to a school... as long as they aren't distracting during classes, schools generally want to encourage their volunteer efforts.

RSBM. I see nothing wrong in volunteering after school is adjurned in doing all you mentioned and am sure the school appreciates their involvement. I just have a problem with parents being allowed to walk in willy-nilly around the halls without the school's knowledge during class time. Really, I was specifically asking about volunteers in the classroom itself; from comments, I was under the assumption people/parents were now involved in the actual teaching or a teacher's aide per se and not an actual employee of the school. As mentioned, I was never a parent and am ancient, lol, so procedures or perceptions have changed if this is true; but I just can't understand what makes a teacher's job so hard to do in the classroom anymore to need that? AND...I support teachers to the fullest...hold them in high regard for the future of our children. I had many I have fond memories of...so please don't think I'm picking on them personally. :blushing: