GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[hollyblue]

Two speculations that forefront.

1. The perp knew the family and went against undeniable great odds to obtain her specifically.

2. The perp grossly harmed this little, innocent 5 yo child and was neglectful in watching against an escape....or did so deliberately.

There is at least one evil, deranged perp running around.

 

[hollyblue]

child pornography does not feel right to me in this case, although, that is just my own opinion with what is known thus far.

For child pornography to be the reason, the perps could have easily simply used the other children reported to already be in that house. In addition, if they wanted a strange child, who they could use for that purpose and then release in order to further distance themselves from possible connection to the victim. It would have been far easier to snatch a child from a park, lure a child from store, or local business rather than go into a public school, mere weeks after a major school massacre, when people would OSTENSIBLY be more alert to school security.

Not that this school exhibited such hyper alertness (quite the opposite IMO).

Why kidnap a child for that purpose from a location full of witnesses and video cameras and perpetrate the ruse of being a parent?

Too complicated.

Child pornographers IMO don't tend to target specific children but rather take their victims as they find them IMO.

I wouldn't think a child pornographer would do damage to their "resource". Whether it was a one a time only or if they wanted to keep her around for awhile. IMO Yes, there are sickos who just want to harm a child, but I just feel it has to do with the perps feelings against the family for some reason.

Would someone obssessed with a specific child horribly harm them and then let them go? IDK, but they're sick, sick, sick and LE wants them off the streets...yesterday. imo What is happening or happened to the other children in the home? Are they the perp's children who hasn't been harmed...or other children abducted to be? Is it part of the thrill to take the risk they took....and in someone who knows the family to watch them suffer? Whoever they are has definitely twisted thinking. JMO

 

[jjenny]

This does not seem to be the kind of case where a reward will come into it, IMO. If a group of people is involved in doing whatever harm to this little girl, they are all culpable. Unless the person who returned her to the park comes forward and works out something, but otherwise, I can't imagine that too many innocent people have information about such a crime.

Perps could talk to someone. Nobody exists in a vacuum. We have possibly two or more perps involved. So chances of them keeping a secret are decreased compared to just one perp.

 

[matou]

I believe there is a network involved. The perps knew the victim, it's clear. She has been so injured to need to return to the hospital. A reporter for a philly local news station asked for everyone to pray for this little girl LAST WEEK and posted for everyone to wait for new info. The new info was that the girl had returned to the hospital because of injuries that occurred during her abduction. He posted again last night about "disturbing new details" that would come out about what happened. We waited for the news and found out that she was "horribly" injured during her abduction. Obviously, the reporter wants to divulge but cannot. I'm fearing the speculation from last night is true. I hope it is not. We haven't heard anything about anything other than the girl being stripped and put under a bed and fed something. Was she drugged with that food? She heard the name "Rashida" and was lead to a playground somehow with the help of another person. This happened sometime around 4:30-5:30 when she was thankfully discovered by a passerby who heard her cries. There is a large gap in info and was she passed out or asleep? Is the lack of info because she was blindfolded and tuned out?

I'm trying to find a link to a print version or a video where Mr. Mandela Myers described what he heard when he was walking by. I thought he said it sounded like a wounded animal and then looked to see a small child. I'll look for this info. I could be wrong.

 

[tlcya]

This does not seem to be the kind of case where a reward will come into it, IMO. If a group of people is involved in doing whatever harm to this little girl, they are all culpable. Unless the person who returned her to the park comes forward and works out something, but otherwise, I can't imagine that too many innocent people have information about such a crime.

I both agree and disagree.

The perps themselves and anyone actually in on this crime will not be attracted to the reward no matter how high it goes (MOO)

Anyone they know peripherally, such as neighbor, casual acquaintances, people who do not like the perps, WOULD IMO be swayed and attracted by the money.

If (I hate to even type it) FGM was an aspect of this crime or revenge against the family for some real or imagined reason, then people who are not part of this crime have heard the perps air their views or dislike of this family.

All it takes is that one phone call, that one tip, to lead to eventual arrest.

If the reward comes into play, I think it will be in this manner.

Not to harp on the FGM theory because it is a truly upsetting and distasteful topic for me, but I do wonder if that is the reason so very many city leaders seem to have become invested in this particular case. A crime like that would certainly stir the entire city leadership to action. And rest assured, if that is a factor here, every person in the higher echelons of city and possibly state government would be informed and aware of it, and being updated as to developments (MOO)

Lastly, it could also explain the FBI involvement and the comments by LE as to N and the heinous nature of what this child has gone through.

There, I said it.

I slept very poorly last night as for some reason, that particular form of mutilation was very triggery for me. No clue why, my scars are all on the inside. But when I did wake this morning I was able to consider this theory with a bit of clinical detachment (thankfully).

 

[necco]

I, too, think there was more than one person involved. I'd be looking for a female elder of the community if our theory is true. Such things, if not performed by "medical professionals" are often performed by a matriarch of the cultural group. (Please note, I am NOT talking about the child's mother. I am talking about a female elder in the community.) Something akin to a midwife or the spiritual grandmother of the community. Due to the nature of the procedure and the cultural taboos involved, it is usually performed by a female.

 

[matou]

From this interview audio clip with Mr. Myers, he said it was 4:40 am when he heard screams and someone yelling for help. He saw the victim and picked her up. Her tshirt was wet and she had no shoes and she said someone was chasing her. The only injuries he saw were cuts on her face (in print it says the cuts were on her lips). I'm not sure if he looked under her tshirt to check for injuries there.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/01/15/kidnapped-girl-found-in-upper-darby/

 

[matou]

Her voice sounded like a "meow" like a cat, then when he got closer, he realized it was her voice asking for help. He crossed the street because he heard her voice (that initially sounded like a cat).

Last 20 seconds of the sound file.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/01/15/kidnapped-girl-found-in-upper-darby/

ETA: the cut was under her lip and had recently been bleeding. He called it a scar.

 

[necco]

From this interview audio clip with Mr. Myers, he said it was 4:40 am when he heard screams and someone yelling for help. He saw the victim and picked her up. Her tshirt was wet and she had no shoes and she said someone was chasing her. The only injuries he saw were cuts on her face (in print it says the cuts were on her lips). I'm not sure if he looked under her tshirt to check for injuries there.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/01/15/kidnapped-girl-found-in-upper-darby/

I doubt, unless she was bleeding profusely, that he would have looked under the t-shirt. a) I doubt that would be most people's first instinct, he was probably thinking "wtf there's a kid! get cops! get ambulance!" b) the girl was clearly traumatized and if he probably knew that would be a less than pleasant experience for her (having a stranger look up her shirt) and c) as a city employee, he probably had training in sexual harassment that would have warned him not to engage in behavior that would even remotely appear hinky

 

[cluciano63]

How definite is it that a teenager, vs. a young woman, returned her to the park? Is it possible that this was one of the perps, if this was a "group" crime, once they were "finished"? I am not convinced that this was another victim.

 

[tlcya]

given the removal of N's name from the situation by LE, something happened to this baby that caused that. Children who are beaten, physically abused, tortured, etc. are named. The removal of her name does strongly suggest that whatever was done to her has some sort of sexual component to it.

I now have a much better understanding of why her mother may have hired an attorney.

1) to assist in getting N all the help she may need, now and in future, to recover from whatever was done to her.

2) to help her in using the legal system to N's utmost advantage in order to protect N from further harm from anyone the mother may suspect may have wished her daughter harmed.

3) a future civil suit against the school. If anything recently being speculated about has actually happened to this child I can imagine there is long long road ahead. She will be forever affected by this, for the rest of her life.

I keep remembering LEO statement that life may never be normal again for little N

 

[tlcya]

with my newly garnered clinical detachment I have just gone back and read accounts of the recent statements from various entities and civil leaders that I missed out on while buried at work yesterday.

I now have a better understanding of what brought on this newest line of speculation regarding FGM.

Now that I have all the information I missed out on yesterday and am viewing this from a less personalized perspective, I am convinced this is the situation that we are looking at.

I cannot tell you how very angry I am. Words do not adequately convey my horror and outrage on little N's behalf.

Thanks to all who have borne with me while I got up to speed with this newest possible development.

Prayers for this baby. Nothing but overwhelming love and prayers for her.

Now, IIRC someone last night posted that this child's grandfather, well known Iman in the community, has openly spoken about this practice in the past and opined that it is barbaric. Can anyone point me to some links where he states his opinions on the practice?

When this case first broke I was very reticent to believe that N could have been targeted in some way because of her grandfather's politics or role in the community. I had speculated that it seemed very unlikely that kidnapping a child only to have her less than 24 hours is not a very good "revenge message" to grandfather.

In light of this new possibly, things are falling more into place in that line. Perhaps someone not with a grudge against the family per se but someone who wanted to send a very very specific message to grandfather regarding FGM beliefs is responsible. The only way for that message to reach him is for the child to be found with that injury.

I am curious in what context the grandfather's statement referred to the other night on this practice came up.

 

[Cappuccino]

I'm curious too, what prompted all this speculation about FGM? Imams speak out against FGM on a frequent basis, I've never heard of a child or grandchild being kidnapped and subjected to it as a response.

You do sometimes get situations where one parent wants it done and the other doesn't, and the parent who does goes ahead without their spouse's consent. If that's the scenario being suggested here then I would have to ask what ethnic background are the parents from? I'm not being racist, I'm asking because there are staunchly muslim countries where FGM is not practiced at all, (eg, Iran, Afghanistan), and other countries where it is endemic, (eg, Egypt, Somalia).

 

[maureen718]

I both agree and disagree.

The perps themselves and anyone actually in on this crime will not be attracted to the reward no matter how high it goes (MOO)

Anyone they know peripherally, such as neighbor, casual acquaintances, people who do not like the perps, WOULD IMO be swayed and attracted by the money.

If (I hate to even type it) FGM was an aspect of this crime or revenge against the family for some real or imagined reason, then people who are not part of this crime have heard the perps air their views or dislike of this family.

All it takes is that one phone call, that one tip, to lead to eventual arrest.

If the reward comes into play, I think it will be in this manner.

Not to harp on the FGM theory because it is a truly upsetting and distasteful topic for me, but I do wonder if that is the reason so very many city leaders seem to have become invested in this particular case. A crime like that would certainly stir the entire city leadership to action. And rest assured, if that is a factor here, every person in the higher echelons of city and possibly state government would be informed and aware of it, and being updated as to developments (MOO)

Lastly, it could also explain the FBI involvement and the comments by LE as to N and the heinous nature of what this child has gone through.

There, I said it.

I slept very poorly last night as for some reason, that particular form of mutilation was very triggery for me. No clue why, my scars are all on the inside. But when I did wake this morning I was able to consider this theory with a bit of clinical detachment (thankfully).

I think all of what you said is true, I am also terribly worried about the multiple statements made regarding heinous crime. Mr Kline, the attorney for the child's mother, said last night this is the most heinous crime Philadelphia has ever seen.
I slept very poorly too last night, I woke up with a pain in my shoulder so I know I slept clenched up in a ball. I know I'm gonna throw up when we hear someone publicly say what the extent of our child's injuries. I think the forces involved are drawing straws to see who must deliver the news. I hope it is her doctor. IF the theory is remotely close to the injury I think it will be reported to the public in a medical termed press release. maybe

 

[tlcya]

I'm curious too, what prompted all this speculation about FGM? Imams speak out against FGM on a frequent basis, I've never heard of a child or grandchild being kidnapped and subjected to it as a response.

You do sometimes get situations where one parent wants it done and the other doesn't, and the parent who does goes ahead without their spouse's consent. If that's the scenario being suggested here then I would have to ask what ethnic background are the parents from? I'm not being racist, I'm asking because there are staunchly muslim countries where FGM is not practiced at all, (eg, Iran, Afghanistan), and other countries where it is endemic, (eg, Egypt, Somalia).

BBM pages 9 and 10 this thread can explain how this theory came about and also the mod ruling on this discussion and line of speculation can be found. The topic is the result of the totality of what is being said and not said in regard to this child's injuries coupled with the unusually high number of civic leaders who seem to have become involved in this matter.

I totally understand the reasoning behind your question as to counties/cultures of origin of family members as it could be pertinent in this theory

 

[Dr. Know?]

If the young girl was raped she may have required a hysterectomy or vaginal repair etc... I've read many rape victims having them from the brutality of the assault. An adult male(s) and gosh only knows what else might have been done to her, that would also make the Mayor's statement of she may never recover also true. I agree also without knowing what happened to her although brutal, just being taken, hidden away from her mom is enough to traumatize a young child. Whatever happened, the news videos from the LE & Mayor's office it appears these men are quite angered and eager to find these sick monsters.

 

[believe09]

At this time, that's correct. Only two statements in that article can be attributed to LE. One mentions new surveillance video. The other says there are no suspects, and even that is questionable because below it says LE is searching for two suspects. So which is it? Other than the mayor's announcement about the reward, the rest of it is unattributed, or goes to "sources", and "sources" is a big ole troublemaker in every case we see.

:clap: not that you need my input here. I am skeptical of the fox story.

 

[hollyblue]

I, too, think there was more than one person involved. I'd be looking for a female elder of the community if our theory is true. Such things, if not performed by "medical professionals" are often performed by a matriarch of the cultural group. (Please note, I am NOT talking about the child's mother. I am talking about a female elder in the community.) Something akin to a midwife or the spiritual grandmother of the community. Due to the nature of the procedure and the cultural taboos involved, it is usually performed by a female.

I read up on FGM after this was mentioned as her possible injuries. I can't imagine her being released from the hospital so soon afterward if this was the case because of infection and other possible complications, but I'm not in the medical profession, so what do I know. Could they have inflicted severe psychological damage to child in maybe something she heard and/or was just told since she was blindfolded? If physically maimed in some way would LE take her out in trying to find the location? Maybe she is just now telling all what she went through?

The way LE and the other athorities have reacted is very telling and troubling. Remembering the bullhorns.....and the troup of LE going door to door. It's truly terrorizing until LE finds them. :furious:

 

[necco]

I'm curious too, what prompted all this speculation about FGM? Imams speak out against FGM on a frequent basis, I've never heard of a child or grandchild being kidnapped and subjected to it as a response.

You do sometimes get situations where one parent wants it done and the other doesn't, and the parent who does goes ahead without their spouse's consent. If that's the scenario being suggested here then I would have to ask what ethnic background are the parents from? I'm not being racist, I'm asking because there are staunchly muslim countries where FGM is not practiced at all, (eg, Iran, Afghanistan), and other countries where it is endemic, (eg, Egypt, Somalia).

Cappuccino, I cannot speak for everyone, but a number of factors led me to speculate about FGM. I'll list them as coherently and concisely as I can. In no particular order of importance

-The abductor was CLEARLY after this particular child.
-The abductor possibly belongs to a cultural construct that practices FGM (dark skin and clothing)
-The child seemed to know the abductor OR the abductor knew enough about the child to put her at ease immediately.
-The incredibly strong wording regarding the brutality attack by law enforcement
-The vagueness of LE in reference to her actual injuries
-The fact that the child had to return to the hospital (possible infection?)
-The massive uproar among AA community leaders.
-The comment by LE that this girl's life may have changed forever.
-That the abductor was a woman BUT that the nature of the injuries seems to have a sexual component as indicated by both the vagueness of LE AND the fact that they stopped using her name

I think those are the main ones.

 

[Cappuccino]

I see what you mean, necco. I would point out that all those factors would also apply if the girl has been raped, but I do see your point. We can't rule either in or out with what we know at this stage.