PA - infant Leon Katz murdered, twin injured, allegedly by babysitter, Pittsburgh- June 24, 2024 #2

  • #121
I’d really like to see the interrogation video and NV’s demeanor both before and after her admissions.

Why did she go back to her AirBnb after medics came to get Leon? She had been a longtime friend of the parents of LK, but didn’t go to the hospital with concern for the newborn and in support of his parents after the alleged accident.

What is NK’s current position about how LK was injured?
6-week old infants don’t just leap out of infant seats.

JMO
I agree that seeing the interrogation video would help everyone understand her demeanor, especially given what the defense lays out in the omnibus motion. According to the filings, Nicole had around 3 hours of sleep, was jet-lagged, and then was kept in a locked room for nearly 13 hours, often shivering, given only snacks and coffee, and repeatedly breaking down in tears before any admission was made . That kind of physical and emotional exhaustion can seriously affect how someone reacts, speaks, or even remembers events.

As for leaving the Airbnb instead of going to the hospital the filings show she had already been awake most of the night, was told police needed to speak to her, and was immediately taken from the Airbnb, her phone confiscated, and placed in custody. She wasn’t “free” to go anywhere after EMS left detectives had her locked in the cruiser by 6:07 a.m. and then locked in an interview room until 7:30 p.m. .

Regarding “her position” on what happened: the motion makes it clear she maintained throughout the first long interrogation that any injury to L.K. was accidental, and only later made statements after extreme fatigue, isolation, and exposure to misleading claims (including about “cameras in the apartment”) that the defense argues were coercive .

I agree infants don’t leap out of seats. But whether this was an accident, a medical issue, a misinterpretation of injuries, or something intentional is exactly what the trial and the medical experts will need to sort out. Right now there are still a lot of unanswered questions on both sides
 
  • #122
Thanks - I plan to read up on the cases you noted. Interesting fact I just found out- Amanda Brumfield is the estranged daughter of Billy Bob Thornton.
i had never heard of the Amanda Brumfield case either....
so ended up down another rabbit hole finding out ALL info about Billy Bob's 4 kids and 6 marriages!!!
 
  • #123
Northernthinker, do you think multiple doctors could not tell the difference between a circumcision infection and an acute injury?
(ETA: Asking because I am not familiar with this at all.)

Also the idea that she probably would not have quickly brought an injury she caused to the parents' attention is wishful thinking IMO. Some people enjoy seeing the results of their actions on everyone and they enjoy fooling others. Those cases actually abound.
 
  • #124
According to the filings, Nicole had around 3 hours of sleep, was jet-lagged, and then was kept in a locked room for nearly 13 hours, often shivering, given only snacks and coffee, and repeatedly breaking down in tears
^Sounds like one of my typical work days. And I am waaaay older than NK. But, point taken. She was certainly under major stress being interrogated by LE about a potential infant homicide.

JMO
 
  • #125
^Sounds like one of my typical work days. And I am waaaay older than NK. But, point taken. She was certainly under major stress being interrogated by LE about a potential infant homicide.

JMO
I would think most baby killers are under stress. I think she is lucky that the police got to her first.
 
  • #126
I would think most baby killers are under stress. I think she is lucky that the police got to her first.
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. She isn’t yet a killer of anything
 
  • #127
According to the filings, Nicole had around 3 hours of sleep, was jet-lagged, and then was kept in a locked room for nearly 13 hours, often shivering, given only snacks and coffee, and repeatedly breaking down in tears before any admission was made . That kind of physical and emotional exhaustion can seriously affect how someone reacts, speaks, or even remembers events.

Why didn't she sleep on the airplane/get more sleep before visiting?

If true: does "only snacks and coffee" violate her rights? I'm thinking they didn't, or they would have brought in more food. But it's interesting if they didn't bring in more food to gain her trust.

Kept in a room for 13 hours being questioned is not beyond what I would expect if a baby died under my care. However -- I would expect the right to use a restroom when needed.

Agree the exhaustion may greatly affect someone being interrogated. But you could just as equally argue it could cause someone to think, okay, I'm just going to tell the whole truth now and give up the facade.
 
  • #128
Northernthinker, do you think multiple doctors could not tell the difference between a circumcision infection and an acute injury?
(ETA: Asking because I am not familiar with this at all.)

Also the idea that she probably would not have quickly brought an injury she caused to the parents' attention is wishful thinking IMO. Some people enjoy seeing the results of their actions on everyone and they enjoy fooling others. Those cases actually abound.
misinterpretation of pediatric genital findings has happened before, especially when infection, irritation, or normal post-procedure changes are involved. It’s not that “multiple doctors can’t tell the difference,” but that even specialists sometimes disagree about what is acute trauma versus something medical or benign. That’s documented in other child-injury cases.

On the second point, I’d be cautious about assuming motives. Extreme cases exist, yes, but they’re not the default. You can’t infer someone’s psychology from the fact that rare, high-profile offenders exist. Each case has to be evaluated individually, not compared to the most sensational examples.

That’s really all I’m saying — medical interpretation isn’t always black-and-white, and motives aren’t as simple as assuming the worst.
 
  • #129
On the second point, I’d be cautious about assuming motives. Extreme cases exist, yes

I very much disagree that the perp reporting the crime exists as "extreme." I think it's not uncommon in murder cases. Either to start "watching the show" or to try to appear innocent.

Sometimes the perp will "find" the victim, for example, and then sit back and watch it all. Or quickly report it as an accident or a mystery. It's not rare.

And if someone actually "enjoys" watching their victim suffer - which unfortunately a lot of murderers do - they would enjoy watching the relatives suffer. It's a very uncomfortable topic. But these are murder cases. MOO.
 
  • #130
I want to share a perspective that I don’t think has been fully discussed here yet. After reading both the TribLive article and the full Omnibus Motion, I’m honestly not convinced that the statements attributed to Nicole should be taken at face value. At the very least, I think this interrogation has a lot of the same features that have shown up again and again in well-documented false confession cases. A few things that really stood out to me:

1. The interrogation was extremely long

We’re not talking about a 1–2 hour interview. According to the motion, she was in police custody for around 13 hours. Almost all proven false confessions come after long, drawn-out interrogations, especially when the person is exhausted, scared, or mentally vulnerable. After 6 hours, reliability drops off a cliff. At 13 hours? It’s a huge red flag.

2. She invoked her rights, and questioning continued

This is important. The motion says she asked to stop and asked for a lawyer. That alone can taint everything that comes afterward. When someone is deprived of their rights and still questioned, the odds of a reliable, voluntary confession go down dramatically.

3. The “we have cameras” claim looks like a bluff

The article treats this as if police had damning surveillance. But according to the motion, the “cameras” were baby monitors. Police are allowed to lie during interrogations, and they often do. False confession cases are full of “we have evidence you don’t know about” tactics.

4. The emotional collapse matters

The motion describes crying, distress, isolation, cold temperatures, long gaps with no human contact, panic, etc. This is the textbook psychological environment where false confessions happen. Most people imagine they’d be strong under pressure. But every major false confession case involves someone who thought the same — until they broke down.

5. The most extreme statements came only at the end. This is almost exactly the pattern seen in cases like:
  • Melissa Calusinski
  • Brendan Dassey
  • the Central Park 5
The early hours involve denials or confusion. The dramatic, self-incriminating material shows up after exhaustion, fear, and hopelessness take over. This is not my opinion — this is a documented pattern in forensic psychology.

6. The “childhood harming kids” narrative is a big red flag

A lot of people took this part of the article very literally. But dramatic, emotional “origin story” admissions often show up in false confessions because the person is:
  • overwhelmed
  • trying to give interrogators something
  • accepting suggested narratives
  • losing their grip under fatigue
These kinds of statements almost never emerge in the first hour. They emerge at hour 10, 11, 12 — just like here.

7. The Brooke Skylar Richardson comparison is key

That was a case I followed closely, and it has some striking similarities:
  • young woman
  • vulnerable mental state
  • long interrogation
  • misleading claims by investigators
  • statements that snowballed into a so-called “confession”
  • a public convinced she was a monster
  • later evidence showing the confession was wrong
The public narrative was completely different from what experts later agreed on. Her supposed “confession” didn’t hold up in court at all. I’m not saying this case is identical — but the parallels are hard to ignore.

8. Confessions alone are not reliable evidence

People forget that about 20–25% of exonerations involve false confessions. And many of those confessions were as detailed and emotional as this one sounds. Human beings can be pushed into saying things that don’t reflect reality — it’s uncomfortable to accept, but it’s true
I looked up the Brooke Skylar Richardson case and I don’t reallly see any ‘parallels’.
I think, in the interest of fairness, I might be too kind to Nicole — perhaps because I just can’t see that a person of her character would do this, and the case has echoes of other notable exonerations in the past. I could absolutely be wrong, but the evidence must be rigorously tested first, and she deserves the best possible defense.
I’m just curious whether you have personal knowledge of Nicole? You mention her character and I am unsure how you can determine someone’s character from the snippets of info found online about someone you don’t know. I don’t recall anyone coming forward to say she’s a great person or would not hurt a fly etc…..
 

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