PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #1

[cw028]

Different outlets are reporting the same event differently. The locked/unlocked thing is a perfect example.

LDN says unlocked, CBS says locked. WS arrived at KS's apartment once on Monday morning. Either the apartment was locked or it wasn't. How can someone screw that up? :notgood:

It's an important :curses: detail.

How is it an important detail when the last person to leave the house was the male guest? He would've been the one to unlock or lock the door either when they left in between 911 calls or around 7:30 am like he said he left.

So regardless, it will explain pretty much nothing other than if he wanted to lock it or left it unlocked.

 

[amysmom]

There were complaints on Kortne's mom's facebook page about the article Chelesa Hoffman wrote and now Chelsea is challenging them on there to tell more about Kortne and to release more facts...FYI

Remember when CH went out of her way to make 'war' with the dad of missing 'Samantha Koenig'?..I wonder if she felt guilty at all when they finally found her DEAD body under the ice & captured the PERP..I seriously doubt it! She also went out of her way to make 'waves' with Sierra LaMar's mom..There are others I can't recall right now too..She's despicable!

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

If Kortne always locks her door and the door was unlocked, Kortne possibly left the premises involuntarily. If the door was locked, it's possible she left on her own and met with foul play elsewhere.

I don't even know which door we're talking about or which door sleepover guy left through, but reporting actual facts is important. Every little element could mean something.

Whether or not the door was left locked or unlocked seems of little significance when the male friend is the one who left it that way. Either way, we know who the last one was to walk out that door.

 

[reedus23]

What if hes there but passed out and Kort isnt there!

By his reported words, he was not passed out when LE came a second time. He was aware they came a second time and went to bed after they came that last time. Now, if he's lying about that, again, I think that puts him squarely in the cross hairs.

 

[reedus23]

Well Look at Holly bobo the fbi is very involved and they believe she is still in the area!

Did local LE request their assistance then, as the previous poster suggested? I have no idea. Just throwing things out there.

 

[resqx]

wow, now i see why ch and her blog arent very popular here...lol

 

[leighmarker]

wow, now i see why ch and her blog arent very popular here...lol

yeah, aint she a peach?:moo:

 

[leighmarker]

http://www.abc27.com/story/19263796/palmyra-womans-disappearance-investigated-as-kidnapping
The FBI is aware of what's going on," Arnold said. "We'll see what that leads to, but they are definitely involved."

well thats good news!

 

[leighmarker]

anyone else remember the first report about Kourtne being missing was the first call was to 911 re: noise the dog was making. That is not what is being reported now.
found it,
Originally Posted by JurysOut
I thought the initial complaint was about noise and/or dog(s). Noise involving the dog or something.

I think someone mentioned up thread that sleepover guest and BF knew or knew of each other but are not friends. I could be misremembering.

http://www.abc27.com/story/19263796/palmyra-womans-disappearance-investigated-as-kidnapping
Neighbors called police twice that morning, according to Stouffer's parents. The first complaint was over Stouffer's dog. Police spoke with Stouffer and left, but returned later for a complaint of "banging and stomping." During the second visit, Stouffer's parents said the officers left after no one answered the door.

 

[Annie1004]

I *believe* those pix on myspace were senior pix according to the title and not really "modeling" pix .. JMO tho

The modeling pix are on KS's FB page and are labeled as such.

 

[JurysOut]

anyone else remember the first report about Kourtne being missing was the first call was to 911 re: noise the dog was making. That is not what is being reported now.

I remember. But everything I remember seems to disappear or be edited.

As far as facts go, we have none, IMO.

-We have no idea when sleepover guy left the apartment or if there were others with him unless we're taking a reported statement at face value. Maybe he left at 4:15 AM or 6:00 AM, maybe he went back there after the establishing CC shot.

-We have no idea if the neighbor(s) involved in the altercation have been cleared

-We have no idea what was contained in the search warrant or if any evidence was removed

- We have no idea whose car was driven to HBG and back that night

- We have no idea how many people were involved in the neighborhood altercation. We don't even know how many people were present.

- All reports say LE last "credible source" to see KS. Are the neighbors and sleepover guy then not credible by default? Or does that mean there's been a flurry of ridiculous "sightings"?

You often don't know what tiny piece is important until you see the entire puzzle. We don't even have accurate valid pieces, IMO.

 

[leighmarker]

I thought the search warrant included: computers, diaries, phones journals

The rest of the stuff you listed RIGHT ON.:rocker: We have not much more to go on than when we started! How frustrating can it get. All we can hope for is the reason they aren't really saying what's going on because they have a suspect. (same ole song and dance). lol :woohoo:
I did see that one of the neighbors name is Bandly? but wouldn't give a last name. Also a fellow sleuther here said they knew of the neighbor and he was kinda scary. What happened to the scratches on his face? no more reporting about that either.
Hard to try and figure out what is going on when they keep changing the information.:banghead::banghead:

 

[leighmarker]

how come I never notices the ring before? was she previously married?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/13/kortne-stouffer-missing_n_1772511.html#slide=1373483

 

[Eileen730]

By his reported words, he was not passed out when LE came a second time. He was aware they came a second time and went to bed after they came that last time. Now, if he's lying about that, again, I think that puts him squarely in the cross hairs.

Oh ok I never read where he knew the cops came again all i have read was the cops came a second time and no one answered the door

 

[reedus23]

Oh ok I never read where he knew the cops came again all i have read was the cops came a second time and no one answered the door

It was reported as such but we all know how the reporting has been on this case but until I see it refuted somewhere he said LE came a second time and they went to sleep shortly after that.

 

[Eileen730]

It was reported as such but we all know how the reporting has been on this case but until I see it refuted somewhere he said LE came a second time and they went to sleep shortly after that.

Wut? lol im confused!

Did he say it or didnt he!
Have we seen it written somewhere?

LOL

Not trying to be a pain in the butt but im confused as it is lol

 

[LivingJuicy]

Has her address been published at all?

So she has problems with a neighbor, she wanted to be "protected" (read that somewhere on here - don't have a link!) and a "friend" slept over (let's assume he's a legit friend, at least she's known him a bit of time and he had been there before) --- what's up with this neighbor?

And he never answered the door the 2nd time? My vote is neighbor but that could change in 2.5 seconds.

MOO!

 

[Eileen730]

Has her address been published at all?

So she has problems with a neighbor, she wanted to be "protected" (read that somewhere on here - don't have a link!) and a "friend" slept over (let's assume he's a legit friend, at least she's known him a bit of time and he had been there before) --- what's up with this neighbor?

And he never answered the door the 2nd time? My vote is neighbor but that could change in 2.5 seconds.

MOO!

I read on MSM the parents know this guy and she was friends with him for 2 yrs!


I dont think she wanted to be home alone with thie wacko neighbor BF wasnt home

 

[Eileen730]

Has her address been published at all?

So she has problems with a neighbor, she wanted to be "protected" (read that somewhere on here - don't have a link!) and a "friend" slept over (let's assume he's a legit friend, at least she's known him a bit of time and he had been there before) --- what's up with this neighbor?

And he never answered the door the 2nd time? My vote is neighbor but that could change in 2.5 seconds.

MOO!

thats the way im leaning also!

 

[JurysOut]

Regarding dogs - Thanks Meems!
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"police officers were back at Kortne's apartment Thursday with a dog that's trained to find missing as well as human remains "

I wish we knew how much of the building was searched or if nearby property was searched.

I haven't seen any photos of the search/cadaver dog on location, maybe I missed them.