PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[reedus23]

I am sorry if I got my facts wrong. I was referring to something stated in one of the earlier posts by a local, to the effect that his employers, who are attorneys STRONGLY recommended he get representation.

I don't know if I posted something wondering if that was the case (I'm not a local) but it certainly sounds like something I would say or throw out there as a possibility. I know that every attorney I know would absolutely tell an employee that works for them to NEVER talk to LE without retaining counsel. In most cases they would even offer to handle things initially for the employee until things got over their head (i.e. they do personal injury work, not criminal). I also know in those instances, the attorney offers to let the employee work off the fees, whether it's overtime, doing other tasks they normally don't do. FOR EMPHASIS ONLY, NOT YELLING, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE HERE. ONLY THROWING IT OUT THERE AS A POSSIBILITY FOR WHY TS HAS LAWYERED UP and to let you know, you very well may have been recalling one of my posts.

 

[scorekeeper]

Kortne, where are you???

Please come home safe!!

 

[GDUD]

I wonder if this was the first and only time CP crashd at KS house? Did MR,jr crash there before on ooccassion, too? I just wonder how fequent it was. Was it common? How often did their other friends crash there? I guess I was the one who when people crashed at my apartment in college knew if they stayed til I woke up they would get bacon, eggs, hash browns and mimosas! So no one ever left without waking me up! I am also wondering if TS car has been cleared and searched........

 

[PalmyraDad]

Attn Locals: There's a Community Prayer Night scheduled for this Monday night, 9/10/2012 at 7 p.m. at Kortne's alma mater, Northern Lebanon High School, in the stadium.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if this was the first and only time CP crashd at KS house? Did MR,jr crash there before on ooccassion, too? I just wonder how fequent it was. Was it common? How often did their other friends crash there? I guess I was the one who when people crashed at my apartment in college knew if they stayed til I woke up they would get bacon, eggs, hash browns and mimosas! So no one ever left without waking me up! I am also wondering if TS car has been cleared and searched........

This was (I hope) a very unusual night, so he may have been glad to get out of there without seeing Kortne, for all we know.

 

[IndyEyes]

Unfortunately it appears that the local media is losing interest in the case. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. One agency replied to me that there was nothing new to report, which I find curious, considering the number of unanswered, even unasked, questions. No one seems to want to get at the truth. Has anyone else here had any success contacting local media?

That's maddening that they just left it at "nothing new to report".
I'd love to see them simply address the topics of "Why missing person's cases go cold" or "Why silence from local police can breed mistrust, rumors and skepticism when a person is missing"! Sheesh!

I'm going to send some emails tomorrow. Maybe also letters to the editor section, too. Hey, it worked for the inmates, at the very least if published it can keep her name and memory fresh.

 

[aszhsh]

I don't know KS, her friends, family or any the others mentioned. But I believe I saw KS about on 7/21 (about 1 1/2 hrs from Palmyra). If it was KS that I saw, where and who KS was with in the wks prior may be important. What happened may not involve anyone from that night. Or it may show a link to someone from that night. Maybe she had friends/connections out of town that are not really known and may help in finding where she is and/or what really happened.

I researched the area (where I believe I saw KS) and tried to find a link to anyone mentioned from that night, her bf or family. I found one interesting thing. A 22 yr old male who attends college there and has the same last name as someone in contact with her that night/morning and home address listed is walking distance from KS apt. I can't confirm that he is related to the person in contact with her that night...but very unique last name. It may not have been KS who I saw. And even if it was KS I saw she may not know this person at all and if she does still may be no link to where she is or what happened.

 

[evergreen]

Not necessarily. This was very common with my group of friends when we were younger. We'd always be crashing at each others places, and if the person who lived there was asleep you generally wouldn't wake them to let them know you were leaving, especially after a big night. We all worked under the rule that you just let yourself out and caught up with each other later. Very very common practice among friends of this age group.

This doesn't seem like the typical crash scenario to me. this seems like a guy ks was friends with before New bf came on the scene. He suddenly makes an appearance again as soon as bf is arrested and also stays the night. We don't really know the nature of this relationship.

 

[sadnpod]

Ummm.. IMO Sleepover guy did not "suddenly make an appearance" when bf was arrested. It seems like a typical crash scenario to me.

I don't think anyone can state as fact what their relationship was.

 

[LisaB]

I wonder if this was the first and only time CP crashd at KS house? Did MR,jr crash there before on ooccassion, too? I just wonder how fequent it was. Was it common? How often did their other friends crash there? I guess I was the one who when people crashed at my apartment in college knew if they stayed til I woke up they would get bacon, eggs, hash browns and mimosas! So no one ever left without waking me up! I am also wondering if TS car has been cleared and searched........

PURE SPECULATION:

KS's BF only met CP a month ago, and KS and her BF lived together. IIRC, the BF was not fond of CP, and it is likely that he and KS did not socialize with him much in the past month as a result. I'd guess that CP has not stayed over since becoming reacquainted with KS and meeting her BF, though he may have spent nights at KS's during the period two years ago when they were friends.

 

[Eileen730]

I wonder if this was the first and only time CP crashd at KS house? Did MR,jr crash there before on ooccassion, too? I just wonder how fequent it was. Was it common? How often did their other friends crash there? I guess I was the one who when people crashed at my apartment in college knew if they stayed til I woke up they would get bacon, eggs, hash browns and mimosas! So no one ever left without waking me up! I am also wondering if TS car has been cleared and searched........

I do NOT think he intended to crash at her place. I think he decided to stay because of the agitated confrontational state she was in.
I cant see him leaving her alone after everything that had happend there that night!

Hes dammed if he did and dammed if he didnt!
If he didnt stay we would say "How could he have left her there alone after all the fighting and the cops being called"!!!!

He did stay and well, we all have read what everyone thinks!

No win situation!

And I agreee that he was probably very happy to leave in the am!

 

[Eileen730]

This doesn't seem like the typical crash scenario to me. this seems like a guy ks was friends with before New bf came on the scene. He suddenly makes an appearance again as soon as bf is arrested and also stays the night. We don't really know the nature of this relationship.

As i read it KS injected herself into CP's and MR's night out!
she asked to go with them.....

Talk about FATE!

 

[bjwels]

I don't know KS, her friends, family or any the others mentioned. But I believe I saw KS about on 7/21 (about 1 1/2 hrs from Palmyra). If it was KS that I saw, where and who KS was with in the wks prior may be important. What happened may not involve anyone from that night. Or it may show a link to someone from that night. Maybe she had friends/connections out of town that are not really known and may help in finding where she is and/or what really happened.

I researched the area (where I believe I saw KS) and tried to find a link to anyone mentioned from that night, her bf or family. I found one interesting thing. A 22 yr old male who attends college there and has the same last name as someone in contact with her that night/morning and home address listed is walking distance from KS apt. I can't confirm that he is related to the person in contact with her that night...but very unique last name. It may not have been KS who I saw. And even if it was KS I saw she may not know this person at all and if she does still may be no link to where she is or what happened.

Have you given this information to the police? Try sending it by email to [email protected] You never know what it might lead to....

 

[IndyEyes]

I don't know KS, her friends, family or any the others mentioned. But I believe I saw KS about on 7/21 (about 1 1/2 hrs from Palmyra). If it was KS that I saw, where and who KS was with in the wks prior may be important. What happened may not involve anyone from that night. Or it may show a link to someone from that night. Maybe she had friends/connections out of town that are not really known and may help in finding where she is and/or what really happened.

I researched the area (where I believe I saw KS) and tried to find a link to anyone mentioned from that night, her bf or family. I found one interesting thing. A 22 yr old male who attends college there and has the same last name as someone in contact with her that night/morning and home address listed is walking distance from KS apt. I can't confirm that he is related to the person in contact with her that night...but very unique last name. It may not have been KS who I saw. And even if it was KS I saw she may not know this person at all and if she does still may be no link to where she is or what happened.

Hi and thanks for joining us aszhsh!
I understand that you're unsure that it was even KS you actually saw. However, I think that if what you saw still has you wondering enough to research and be questioning things than you should consider emailing this to [email protected] or making a call to (717) 838-8189. I believe that detectives would be very interested in where she may have been (and with whom) in the days and weeks prior to her disappearance. They have the resources to dive into these type of things and see if it fits any of the information they may already have. For all you know, this little hunch of a tip/ possibility may be a link or a confirmation that they can use to get a lead in this case!
Please trust your gut instinct that led you this far with what you suspect and email or call them with a more detailed version of what you shared here. Thank you again for posting and sharing!

 

[IndyEyes]

Have you given this information to the police? Try sending it by email to [email protected] You never know what it might lead to....

Right on bjwels! I hadn't seen your post before I started typing mine

 

[bjwels]

Jinx...lol. Anything new is just that...new... and could possibly lead into the right direction finally!

 

[evergreen]

Ummm.. IMO Sleepover guy did not "suddenly make an appearance" when bf was arrested. It seems like a typical crash scenario to me.

I don't think anyone can state as fact what their relationship was.

Indications are cp wasn't around when bf was around. He was around before bf was around. Bf gets arrested and they are partying that night. He also sleeps over that night. All the drama happened after he got out of the car and was walking with ks up to her room.

 

[Lois Lane]

BBM

I tend to agree with you Stacy.. As in it appears as tho a whole lot of what's being assumed as factual is in fact coming from the one person with whom Kortne had a major altercation with immediately preceding her disappearance.. And that's far from the only bothersome or troublesome issue regarding him..

I'll say that one item that stands out in my mind is the fact that TS states the cops NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTED CONTACT, NOR KNOCKED ON HIS DOOR WHEN LE WERE CALLED OUT THERE for second of the two very close in time calls made in those early morning hours.. Now for me that is a direct contradiction of what LE's account is of that second call.. They state they absolutely did attempt contact with both Kortne and TS and that TS did not answer when they knocked on his door.. So LE is lying on TS?.. Blatant contradictory lies involving TS?...

Maybe.. but I'll follow it up with the fact that TS stated that he didn't even know Kortne and yet that statement we know for a fact without a doubt is an absolute lie.. Therefor imo it really brings into question the initial issue with which I called into question.. LE's account is that they absolutely attempted contact with both Kortne and TS.. LE knocked on TS door to which he did not answer.. TS's account is that LE never even attempted contact with him and did not knock on the door to his residence..

Someone's obviously lying and imo we clearly see other issues just within this case that without a doubt TS lied.. in my opinion only just looking at it objectively I would say that not only is it statistically more likely that TS is lying in this issue as well.(Just based upon proof of his lying about other issues directly involved with this case).. But imo most importantly is the fact that he would be the one individual imo that would have an actual motive or reason for lying about this issue as well..

Seeing as not only was he the individual that had a major altercation with Kortne immediately preceding her disappearance.. But combine that with the fact that very soon thereafter the altercation occurred between he and Kortne, we have LE's accounting that not only did they attempt making contact with TS by knocking on the door to his residence to which there was no reply, therefor no contact made.. But coincidentally is the account that LE also AT THAT SAME POINT IN TIME attempted making contact with Kortne by knocking on the door to her residence to which there was also no reply and thereby unable to establish contact with her at that exact same moment in time...

In essence I suppose it all boils down to he said(TS) vs. they said(LE).. But just as I detailed above there are imo definite issues that point to it being quite possible this too is a lie(Just as we know that his NOT KNOWING Kortne was a lie) on TS's part.. Therefor my exact reason for even bringing any of these issues up in going back to what Stacy pointed out.. Some of the issues and details that have become factoids of the case are coming from someone whose word alone just cannot be assumed as fact..

All jmo.

Todd Saksek, who owns the house adjoining Stouffer's apartment, said he did not know the young woman well and did not hear any disturbance on Sunday morning.

http://www.ldnews.com/latestnews/ci_21212616

 

[bpinkbinkie]

Do I see the adjoining house at 808 has a shed?? As well as the creepy camper... Now my mind is going a mile a minute.

 

[PalmyraDad]

From today's Lebanon Daily News:

http://www.ldnews.com/opinion/ci_21471032/hold-out-hope