PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[evergreen]

Why can't they release the 911 calls? How far into the Casey/Caylee Anthony case did they release the calls? I remember hearing the grandmothers call to report Caylee missing pretty early on, no? I think I saw something about submitting a request for these? And why had Nancy Grace not jumped on this? Honestly, I don't know if it would help, but at least she has the resources to gain access and get people talking.

LE had motive to release the CA 911 tapes. they had a suspect and were trying to bring pressure to bear on her. I don't believe they have a suspect here. The national media lost interest in this case as more information about KS came to light. She wasn't the all american girl they were looking for.

 

[cluciano63]

the neighbor who called police is disposing of the body? Not sure I would call police if I were doing that. considering they could be there in 5 minutes. just thinking out loud.

Just saying it was a theory that came up...not that I believe it.

 

[Meri]

I'm sure somebody has brought this up, I probably missed it, but on the missing facebook page facebook.com/missingcases On monday there is an article and a paragraph that states:

I knew he said he didn't know her, but I did NOT know he said he didn't hear any disturbance....when he was involved in the disturbance?!?!

I'm wondering if what he meant was he didn't hear any disturbances in the morning, as in way after the earlier incident he had had with her? Like around 6-7 a.m.?

 

[jcinquisitive]

Ive been following this discussion for a month without posting and its amazing how little "new" info has ever been posted. LE is keeping painfully quiet and i dont agree with some other local residents that they are sitting on something. The nature of this local LE is get you now, ask questions later, and who cares if they are wrong. Ive wondered if protocol wasnt followed nd they are hoping this whole thing quietly fades, as it IS doing locally. Perhaps a search warrent should have been obtained?
There has never been a press release by LE and imo thats a huge disservice to the community. Women dont know if this disappearance is considered specifically targeted to kortne or if the public is considered in danger. Not on word from LE to the community. Many women in the cozy town of Palmyra are living in fear of the unknown.
In regards to no one answering the door for LE at either kortnes or the neighbors i have to wonder which neighbors they knocked at? My understanding is the couple who lived below her called due to stomping but the fighting occured with Saksek who lived on the other side of the house. So did LE knock on the door below, or at Sakseks, ir neither? The neighbors are as tight lipped as LE so no one has offered up a reason why they didnt answer the door. Also cp says they went to sleep after cops left the second time, so whats his explanation for not answering the door? I also wonder if him being obseved texting kortne on camera was intentional? Did he pass the lie detector test? Did mr even take one. And wheres the mention of the other 2 who were with them that nite, where and when did they get dropped off? What if mr or one of the other two returned to kortnes that nite to pursue her, knowing her boyfriend was in jail?
The keys in the car is a puzzle. If she needed them to get in her house when she arrived home, how did they end up in her car? Was she restless and wanted to go somewhere an met foul play, or again, did someone with intentions show up and perhaps ask her for a ride? He could have done something to her in her own car, driven the car back to place, and took off leavig the keys put. So much to speculate about.
My heart goes out to her family. I wish they offered more up on the HLN shows but probably were sticking to LEs advice, altho it might have been better to give info. HLN could have pressured LE for answers or encouraged them to do more. Did they even check dumpsters or ask businesses for video suveillance on 422 at that isolated time of nite? There are businesses stretching from palmyra to lebanon, and from palmyra to hershey along 422. How about video surveillance from milton hershey school who may have captured some cars driving from palmyra to hershey on 322 or back roads?
Big question as to whether significant efforts were made or are being made.
To look at her house in the quiet little town of Palmyra knowing she went missing from there so quietly is unnerving.








kortne that morning on video wasnt intentionally

 

[Eileen730]

I'm sure somebody has brought this up, I probably missed it, but on the missing facebook page facebook.com/missingcases On monday there is an article and a paragraph that states:

I knew he said he didn't know her, but I did NOT know he said he didn't hear any disturbance....when he was involved in the disturbance?!?!

But when u go back and read it says the downstairs neighbor called both times and he is NOT the downstairs neighbor!

 

[jillnors2]

In regards to no one answering the door for LE at either kortnes or the neighbors i have to wonder which neighbors they knocked at? My understanding is the couple who lived below her called due to stomping but the fighting occured with Saksek who lived on the other side of the house. So did LE knock on the door below, or at Sakseks, ir neither?

Good question. It's my understanding that the downstairs neighbor called LE both times. Did Kortne stomp because whe was peeved at the downstairs neighbor for calling 911 the first time-after she assaulted Todd? I'm wondering why we haven't heard more from/about these neighbors.

 

[JurysOut]

The first bold I absolutely agree with 100%. I do think it's irresponsible not to communicate to the public. I just don't think that automatically puts them on a list of potential suspects.

The second bold I also absolutely agree with 100%. Again, I must have misread the posts because I took it to mean covering up the crime itself. I absolutely would not put it past LE to cover up issues that may draw questions concerning how they carried out their duties.

Jury, I think I'm following your logic more clearly now and I can see and agree with those points here. Thanks so much. I could be wrong but at some point the word involvement was used and I think I took that to mean involvement with Kortne disappearing. Thanks again for clarifying!!!!!

Thanks. Sometimes, especially late in the evening, it takes me a while to get to my point. I'm much less verbose in person. ;-)


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[JurysOut]

Good question. It's my understanding that the downstairs neighbor called LE both times. Did Kortne stomp because whe was peeved at the downstairs neighbor for calling 911 the first time-after she assaulted Todd? I'm wondering why we haven't heard more from/about these neighbors.

I think we did. I think they said something about Kortne going off somewhere, deflecting attention, IMO. And not very well.

I'd like to know why all of these neighbors were apparently lying in wait.

Did they think 3:00 AM was a good time to have a friendly chat with Kortne about her behavior and neighborhood presence?

I think it's odd mostly because for the next 30 hours or so nobody saw anything. No one knows who went in & out, where Kortne's car was, who brought it back, if it was parked at the Gas Station.

The only thing they've offered is that Kortne walked away of her own accord. I find that an unusual statement since it's the ONLY statement. Why choose that and not 'wow, that was a weird night!'


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[StacyMarie83]

But when u go back and read it says the downstairs neighbor called both times and he is NOT the downstairs neighbor!

i wasn't talking about the stomping disturbance, I was talking about the altercation---i just find it weird that he said he didn't know her (and he did) and that he didn't hear a disturbance---but he was involved in an altercation w/ her earlier. Like another poster stated--it could just mean that he didn't hear any disturbance AFTER the cops were called for the last time that night.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

I'd like to know why all of these neighbors were apparently lying in wait.

Did they think 3:00 AM was a good time to have a friendly chat with Kortne about her behavior and neighborhood presence?

I think it's odd mostly because for the next 30 hours or so nobody saw anything.

Interesting thoughts. The downstairs neighbors witnessed Kortne swinging at Saksek, so we know they were up and in the same place. We know Saksek was there. We know police were there.

Would the neighbors and a friend of one or all of the neighbors who happens to be a LEO conspire to clean up a neighborhood in this fashion? Just asking the question.

 

[JurysOut]

Interesting thoughts. The downstairs neighbors witnessed Kortne swinging at Saksek, so we know they were up and in the same place. We know Saksek was there. We know police were there.

Would the neighbors and a friend of one or all of the neighbors who happens to be a LEO conspire to clean up a neighborhood in this fashion? Just asking the question.

One would think that her neighbors couldn't have reasonably expected Kortne to be completely sober at that time, especially following the bust up of the previous evening. So what was the point?

Is it possible (please note this a question about a POSSIBILITY, not an assumption) that the neighbors were baiting Kortne?

If I'd had an unpleasant experience with a neighbor at 9:30 PM, I'd be in bed with the lights off & the doors locked when they came home 6 hours later. Maybe that's just me. It would seem like the prudent course of action, IMO.

 

[Eileen730]

I think we did. I think they said something about Kortne going off somewhere, deflecting attention, IMO. And not very well.

I'd like to know why all of these neighbors were apparently lying in wait.

Did they think 3:00 AM was a good time to have a friendly chat with Kortne about her behavior and neighborhood presence?

I think it's odd mostly because for the next 30 hours or so nobody saw anything. No one knows who went in & out, where Kortne's car was, who brought it back, if it was parked at the Gas Station.

The only thing they've offered is that Kortne walked away of her own accord. I find that an unusual statement since it's the ONLY statement. Why choose that and not 'wow, that was a weird night!'

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Maybe the neighbors were up because the DOGS WERE barking!

what if unknown person returned her car and went to her door knocking causing dogs to go bonkers!
Unknown goes back to the car and leaves keys in it cause KS isnt home.

Neighbors angry and are discussing what to do about everything! Then KS drives up with CP they confront here and the rest is history!

JMThoughts on this!


I do not think the neighbors were lying in wait for her.
I think they were roused from their sleep by barking dogs!

 

[Eileen730]

sorry I do not think the neighbors are at fault here!

three seperate living spaces.

Im very surprised dogs were allowed

Dogs Bark!
Its what they do best!

 

[Eileen730]

I was just thinking of all that time before KS and CP returned to her
apt.
She was already mad because of her boyfriend's arrest so this
kettle started boiling before they even got to the bars.
What if something happened there which would bring he/she
to KS apt. after closing? We know nothing of that time just
as we know nothing of those am/pm hours leading up to her missing.

Leaving this life behind doesn't sit well with me with such a young
woman.
If anyone remembers the DA Ray Gracar; he managed that I believe but
he was in his fifties and being a DA he most likely had reason to start
over again. But I just don't see a 21 year old doing this jmo

I think Ray is sitting under a palm tree sipping pina colladas!

 

[Eileen730]

What if the neighbors were up because the dogs were barking and maybe they got together because they thought something was wrong at KS's place so they called LE.
Maybe they knocked on her door got no response...

Something woke them up.
someone trying to break in?
Guy leaving her car? BF's dad getting other dog?

 

[IndyEyes]

My thoughts still remain hung up on the behavior of the neighbors that night.

In an earlier post I brought up how odd I think the reported after 2am gathering of "several" neighbors downstairs seemed and a family friend of TS replied by saying that they heard that TS only came out of his house because KS was banging on her downstairs neighbors windows and making a ruckus, that he hadn't been at the neighbors' apartment prior to that. Just bringing that up for what it's worth.

Also I'm wondering if the phrase "several neighbors" might have included JR's daughter that night?
Here's the msm quote and source:
"Riemenschneider, who has a college-age daughter, said she prays for Kortne continually."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/kortne_stouffer_disappeared_am.html

 

[evergreen]

Good question. It's my understanding that the downstairs neighbor called LE both times. Did Kortne stomp because whe was peeved at the downstairs neighbor for calling 911 the first time-after she assaulted Todd? I'm wondering why we haven't heard more from/about these neighbors.

my understanding is nice middle aged downstairs neighbors called le the first time. ts called the second time. ts never said whether police knocked on his door, and whether he answered. the police, for the record, never confirmed the knock on either door.

 

[evergreen]

I think we did. I think they said something about Kortne going off somewhere, deflecting attention, IMO. And not very well.

I'd like to know why all of these neighbors were apparently lying in wait.

Did they think 3:00 AM was a good time to have a friendly chat with Kortne about her behavior and neighborhood presence?

I think it's odd mostly because for the next 30 hours or so nobody saw anything. No one knows who went in & out, where Kortne's car was, who brought it back, if it was parked at the Gas Station.

The only thing they've offered is that Kortne walked away of her own accord. I find that an unusual statement since it's the ONLY statement. Why choose that and not 'wow, that was a weird night!'


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"apparently" lying in wait? that an interesting way of characterizing the alleged get together. But the official report is that LE came the first time because KS was allegedly seen assaulting one of the neighbors and the sleepover buddy allegedly threatened the couple downstairs. reports are, which papa did not deny, was that KS allegedly saw them in the apt, became angry, and confronted them. My guess is if the account of the gathering is true, it was a "neighborhood watch" meeting designed to solve the problem of "Maria", i.e KS and her late night lifestyle with strangers allegedly coming and going at all hours of the day. For the record, irrespective of whether KS was thrown out of the bar that night or not, it was reported that LE was called to address two distinct KS incidents at the APT, in addition to her BF being led off in handcuffs hours before. It was reported the calls came from two different neighbors. How DO we solve a problem like Maria, indeed?

 

[demonwarrior]

Any thoughts on staging some sort of "peaceful" protest in front of the Palmyra PD? Calling the news stations to come, with the possibility of coercing LE to have to make some sort of statement to diffuse the, again, peaceful protest? (and by that I mean organized group of concerned citizens coming together to let LE know we want answers!) I'm sure the many Palmyra dwellers and the like would gladly unite to get some answers...
Thoughts?

 

[Eileen730]

My thoughts still remain hung up on the behavior of the neighbors that night.

In an earlier post I brought up how odd I think the reported after 2am gathering of "several" neighbors downstairs seemed and a family friend of TS replied by saying that they heard that TS only came out of his house because KS was banging on her downstairs neighbors windows and making a ruckus, that he hadn't been at the neighbors' apartment prior to that. Just bringing that up for what it's worth.

Also I'm wondering if the phrase "several neighbors" might have included JR's daughter that night?
Here's the msm quote and source:
"Riemenschneider, who has a college-age daughter, said she prays for Kortne continually."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/kortne_stouffer_disappeared_am.html

well the night before was a kicker also!

How much do u think these neighbors have to take till ya say enuff is enuff.

Id like to know if her landlord got complaints and if she was allowed to have dogs?

Im all for kids having a good time but when you reside with others u need to have some limits and have respect for each other.

JMO

I used to get complaints cause my kids had a band in my garage and they were toooo loud cops came the kids sound proofed it and end of problem.