PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #5

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  • #581
Only thing with that is .. it was fairly hot at that time .. I would think a body hidden for even a few days would have leaked fluids and left some dna evidence behind .. unless they took a vehicle other than MR's to the beach.

This is true. I don't think any evidence was found in MR's car at all. If anything, if she was killed in her apartment, I would think she was strangled, leaving not much evidence, dna, etc.

I would assume her body was then transfered hidden of course (suitcase, bag, etc) to another vehicle and then disposed of.

This car obviously was never suspected nor searched.

That's if she was harmed in her apartment.
 
  • #582
Just really frustrating that there's been no progress relayed to the public. Assuming that's because there is none, what are the chances any progress will ever be made?
 
  • #583
It was a stinkin' hot summer here in Lebanon County this year. It would not have taken long for a body to be ripe. I would think that smell alone would attract attention.

It is a delicate subject, and one I do not take likely, but could she have committed suicide? At 4 am or so on the morning Kortne disappeared, things may have looked terribly bleak- her boyfriend had been arrested on parole violation, her car had a flat tire, the police had been out to her apartment twice in twelve hours for disturbances...

She could not have gotten too far being shoeless, but there are plenty of quarries in the immediate Palmyra area. I am also sure that if someone were serious, there are plenty of other ways to end things where they may not be immediately found.
 
  • #584
I don't believe that Kortne's family knows what has happened to her at all. Until her page went private, her mom's anguish was very real. She was begging for anyone who knew anything at all to please come forward.
 
  • #585
I don't believe that Kortne's family knows what has happened to her at all. Until her page went private, her mom's anguish was very real. She was begging for anyone who knew anything at all to please come forward.

I wonder if they have any suspects on mind though.
 
  • #586
I wonder if they have any suspects on mind though.

They might suspect those last known to be with her, just like Lauren S.'s parents do. But many here suggest that they know where she is, and I do not agree with that at all. They may be at a loss as to what they should be doing, however.
 
  • #587
It was a stinkin' hot summer here in Lebanon County this year. It would not have taken long for a body to be ripe. I would think that smell alone would attract attention.

It is a delicate subject, and one I do not take likely, but could she have committed suicide? At 4 am or so on the morning Kortne disappeared, things may have looked terribly bleak- her boyfriend had been arrested on parole violation, her car had a flat tire, the police had been out to her apartment twice in twelve hours for disturbances...

She could not have gotten too far being shoeless, but there are plenty of quarries in the immediate Palmyra area. I am also sure that if someone were serious, there are plenty of other ways to end things where they may not be immediately found.

Lots of quarries in the area .. :( Has been *rumored* (so I don't know if I can type that) that Kortne has mentioned suicide more than once AND she does have a post on her facebook regarding depression.
 
  • #588
They might suspect those last known to be with her, just like Lauren S.'s parents do. But many here suggest that they know where she is, and I do not agree with that at all. They may be at a loss as to what they should be doing, however.

I haven't read that anyone here has suggested that they indeed know where she is .. I think I have discussed with others that this is a possible senerio as well as who they may suspect as well as they really have no clue ... the way I see it .. is just about anything is possible at this point.
 
  • #589
I haven't read that anyone here has suggested that they indeed know where she is .. I think I have discussed with others that this is a possible senerio as well as who they may suspect as well as they really have no clue ... the way I see it .. is just about anything is possible at this point.

People have alluded that the silence from her family could indicate they know she is alive, or at least that is how I read some posts. I see it more as helplessness and not being as sophisticated as Lauren's parents. Jmo
 
  • #590
People have alluded that the silence from her family could indicate they know she is alive, or at least that is how I read some posts. I see it more as helplessness and not being as sophisticated as Lauren's parents. Jmo

It would be wonderful if she showed up one day. Sadly, I don't see it happening.


Kortne please prove me wrong!
 
  • #591
Possible scenarios:

1. CP murdered KS either intentionally or accidentally
2. A possible OD and cover up by CP or another individual
3. One of 3 neighbors murdered KS either intentionally or accidentally
4. **I don't think I can suggest anything regarding the last responding officer so I won't
5. A drug dealer that KS or her BF owes money to murdered her
6. A drug dealer that KS or her BF owes money to kidnapped her and is holding her
7. KS stepped outside and met foul play with a perp and taken from the scene
8. KS walked off on her own or with the help of another and disappeared herself
9. KS walked off to commit suicide
10. KS walked away from the apt to cool down and met with foul play by a perp
11. Someone impersonating an officer was listening to scanner and went to KS's apt before LE arrived the second time and took KS


PLEASE add to the list as you think of possible scenarios .. As we come across facts to rule out any of these possible scenarios and I will remove them. If anyone has facts that warrant the removal of any of these .. let me know. Maybe one by one .. we can peck away at them.
 
  • #592
People have alluded that the silence from her family could indicate they know she is alive, or at least that is how I read some posts. I see it more as helplessness and not being as sophisticated as Lauren's parents. Jmo

I happen to believe that indeed it could indicate that .. but I totally agree that it also could mean helplessness .. but I can offer my personal observaton in that I have met both parents on several occasions and I would not be inclined to believe they are anything but sophisticated.

Having said that .. personally I do find it strange that after 4 months of pleas for Kortne to come home .. they have now stopped. If you have a missing child .. why not use every resource (especially free ones) to reach out to them or to appeal to the mercy of those in the know??
 
  • #593
I happen to believe that indeed it could indicate that .. but I totally agree that it also could mean helplessness .. but I can offer my personal observaton in that I have met both parents on several occasions and I would not be inclined to believe they are anything but sophisticated.

Having said that .. personally I do find it strange that after 4 months of pleas for Kortne to come home .. they have now stopped. If you have a missing child .. why not use every resource (especially free ones) to reach out to them or to appeal to the mercy of those in the know??

I never saw those four months of please. Where were they?
 
  • #594
I happen to believe that indeed it could indicate that .. but I totally agree that it also could mean helplessness .. but I can offer my personal observaton in that I have met both parents on several occasions and I would not be inclined to believe they are anything but sophisticated.

Having said that .. personally I do find it strange that after 4 months of pleas for Kortne to come home .. they have now stopped. If you have a missing child .. why not use every resource (especially free ones) to reach out to them or to appeal to the mercy of those in the know??

I believe that the silence could mean that her parents know something, just what they may know, I'm not 100% certain. It could be that LE has information of some sort that has lead to the change in posting. It is a complete change in behavior to not only stop posting back in late November, but then to change settings on the page to where it appears public posts have been made either available to friends only, or locked down on some other level. I also can not understand not using every resource available when one has a missing child. This is why the change in posting is disturbing, at least to me.
 
  • #595
I never saw those four months of please. Where were they?

You have never seen plea after plea from the end of July up until November on WS's facebook page for Kortne to Come Home? Or asking if anyone has info to please tell someone?
 
  • #596
You have never seen plea after plea from the end of July up until November on WS's facebook page for Kortne to Come Home? Or asking if anyone has info to please tell someone?

Yes but I do not know that she stopped, only that I can no longer view her page.
 
  • #597
Yes but I do not know that she stopped, only that I can no longer view her page.

Correct .. they may not have "stopped" but if not they are now only visible to her friends list .. which, as I have said before would not do any good if Kortne is using another facebook page (if she is alive) or appealing to those in the know (if they are not her friends) .. It seems only her friends can see her posts if she is still posting .. no public pleas ..
 
  • #598
Tried to find info about other incidences at that address, LD News posted a police blog on 4/27/2012 of underage drinking, Tyler Schreckengast was arrested for disorderly conduct. Don't know how well she knew him, or don't know how well she knew the seven people that were in her apartment before they went to the bar when every one supposedly left. TS was arrested again on 11/23/2012 for disorderly conduct again. Seems to me she had a lot of "friends" which is not a bad thing but you would think that one of them knows something about what happened.

Oh and I don't blame the mother for blocking pages, or the parents for keeping quiet, or the LE. In most cases some info has to be withheld from the public, sometimes for their own safety. I do wish they would tell us who the third responding officer was though, not sure where I read this so not quoting, but read that of the seven people that were there prior to them leaving for the bar, was a son of a policeman. If anyone finds that please post.
 
  • #599
This is true. I don't think any evidence was found in MR's car at all. If anything, if she was killed in her apartment, I would think she was strangled, leaving not much evidence, dna, etc.

I would assume her body was then transfered hidden of course (suitcase, bag, etc) to another vehicle and then disposed of.

This car obviously was never suspected nor searched.

That's if she was harmed in her apartment.


Living Juicy & Meems, thank you for posting the info about the Ocean City trip. I had never heard this piece of information before. This is definitely interesting. I think your idea about a second car (even a rental car) being used makes sense.

Based on what we know for a fact:

1. LE and family have conducted limited searches in the immediate Palmyra area;
2. 2 cars were searched for possible involvement in a forcible abduction/ kidnapping,

it seems likely that LE has reason to believe that KS was taken against her will outside the Palmyra area, or her body or other evidence may have been taken outside the area.

When you combine this with a possible trip to Ocean City shortly after the disappearance, it may be worth some more thought. Of course, trips to Ocean City, MD., or Rehoboth, DE, are common vacations for people in that area during July & August. Mentioning a trip to Ocean City especially, given what we know about KS's circle, would not arouse any suspicion since its a party atmosphere there all summer.

Don't want to unfairly imply anything about those that went on this trip, but MR and CP are persons of interest and were KS's friends too.

Living Juicy, do you know if anyone can confirm that they actually made it to Ocean City? Or more like it was just announced that's where they were going, but people came back and had little to say about the trip. Any idea what kind of vehicle these friends may have taken? Sedan could mean evidence in the trunk, van/suv may mean a live person could be transported against their will. Rental car? Suspicious if these people are into cars, like showing off their tricked-out cars in Ocean City, etc. Any of them own a boat, or like to rent boats for fishing in O.C.?

1. Tried running some Google searches for bodies found in MD from late July-now. Very depressing. Most are identified thought. Except in this story:

http://www.herald-mail.com/news/loc...road-near-sharpsburg-20121105,0,1996515.story

Almost certainly unrelated, it seems like a wood stove fire. But, happened in MD in November, around the same time the posting by parents changed, and it does not appear to be identified yet. Seems like it could plausibly be on the route to Ocean City, but there's a big gap between the summer and November.

2. If there are any news articles about unidentified bodies found between Palmyra and O.C., or any where else in MD, could try to determine if any of the persons of interest have ties to those areas. (including histories of going hunting, off-roading, camping in the area, or having family/business ties). MD, as a place to get rid of evidence has a certain logic since its a different jurisdiction. If nothing else, if there is a credible lead, maybe the cross-state aspect gives the FBI, or even DEA, a reason to get involved (or more/re-involved).

3. Do the persons of interest & others in the Palmyra drug world have "business" ties to suppliers in MD (Baltimore, Ocean City, etc.)? For example, in much of Eastern PA, dealers in the small towns make regular trips to Philly, and there's plenty of remote areas along the turnpike.

Of course, Ocean City trip could be totally unrelated.

But, based on the last several posts I am definitely in agreement that KS's parents do not know where she is, they have received undisclosed info from LE that informs their efforts to find their daughter, and they are actively seeking more info from people who may have seen KS since her disappearance. The recent radio spot by SS does not necessarily mean that they expect to find her alive, they may just be seeking info from people who might have seen her after disappearance, even if they have reason to believe she's deceased. While I hear what people have said about SS's demeanor, let's try not to be too hard on him. For most of us (some posters are notable exceptions), it's hard to know how we would react ourselves. God forbid ever being in her parents' shoes, but it's easy to imagine acting more like the individuals in Mystic River or Gone Baby Gone, even if that's unrealistic. I have a lot of respect for the efforts by L. Spierer's parents, but that is a different case, even if it has several similarities. Sadly, both persons are still missing and no charges have been filed in either case, despite the different approaches. I think the real explanation is that they've received inside info, and there may be a value to not being too transparent in the public statements.

I believe that LE likely knows what happened and who was involved, but for certain crimes, it's hard to charge those responsible without a body, or locating & rescuing a kidnapping victim.
 
  • #600
In my opinion, and I could be waaayyy off on this, but I believed LE may have used the terminology "possible kidnapping" and/or forcible abduction in order to obtain a search warrant for Kortne's apt, MR's car and residence. At that point Kortne was simply "missing" with no signs of a crime being committed. LE can not just get a warrant without probable cause. IF she had just shown up back home, she could have a lawsuit against police for going thru her home. I don't necessarily believe they actually believe she was indeed forcibly taken or kidnapped or this would be an FBI case and definately labled criminal. Right now, LE still does not consider this a criminal case.

Can anyone with knowledge of what it takes to obtain a search warrant help? Can LE "just throw things out there" without concrete evidence to obtain one? I believe findings of search warrants have been sealed ... along with the 911 tapes ... is this what ya'll understand too?
 
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