PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #6

[sleuthster1]

So the person named in the "letter" has quite a record...I would say boy the parents must be proud of their son but the father is currently on trial. Charged with fraud in connection with races run at the track...Penn National that is.

Would you be able to post the letter and just redact the names of people not already known in the case? Very interested in what it says...

Also, hi all! Been following for a while but just registered to post today

 

[aszhsh]

I don't think I'm allowed. I already had one post removed today...oopps didn't try to break the rules. Let's see what others say.

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[sleuthster1]

I also noticed that Amanda changed her name on Facebook. Her first name is still "Amanda", but she added a middle and fake last name... So everyone who got unfriended might just want to double check that you didn't just not notice the change.

 

[alliemay]

No sure, but think if it comes from FB, we are not allowed, unless it's a direct link to a missing person. You would probably have to ask a mod to be sure.

 

[sleuthster1]

I don't think I'm allowed. I already had one post removed today...oopps didn't try to break the rules. Let's see what others say.

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No worries at all, definitely don't want anyone to get in trouble

 

[bpinkbinkie]

Amanda posted a letter on her facebook page that was from the Lebanon County Detective Bureau on Letter head from Office of the District Attorney. It clearly stated that on March 28, 2014 there was a three way phone conversation between this detective, DA and Amanda that stated she would not be prosecuted for being in possession of these tapes (recordings were made without the permission of the other party). It names the other party and that the conversation contained information about the KS case. It states that Amanda turned these 2 recording over to the Detective/DA office. I do not know if the letter is still posted because Amanda has unfriended me and bpinkbinkie. But I took a copy of it so I would have it incase she removed it or me as a friend of fb I can not say that it is legit....but it definietely appears to be. I will not name the person discussed in the letter because I do not believe he has named as a POI etc. However, I will say the name was immediately familiar to me. I am researching to see what I can come up with on him.

I am wondering if Amanda follows us on WS.

I am really starting to worry about her safety, she has called out all these people by name on public forums that could be connected to Kortne's disappearance and is now snitching on others on Lebanon Daily News' FB feed.

Although she seems to be right about this newest one (unrelated to Kortne). She keeps some very dangerous company.

 

[Eileen730]

Wasn't that where she left her car then hooked up with her friends to go to the Hardware Bar? I'm thinking she drove herself there.

If I remember correctly didn't she call her brother about the flat?

 

[cutter99]

For someone who is so concerned about her own safety, Amanda certainly has not chosen to be quite and fade into the wood work. Even changing her name on certain social websites and then spouting off using that identity! She is not all there!

 

[Trackergd]

What is worrisome is that if she is becoming unstable or is perceived to be unstable, it may impact the case and diminish the sense of urgency that has built up.

 

[Meems]

Amanda's "new" FB (last) name is actually the name she was posing under in 2012. I looked her up when she was spewing all those allegations regarding MR. I think she changed it after people chased her off the Prayers for Kortne page for talking psychic babble. Now .. I guess she feels the need to change it back.

The time of the "flat tire" was never confirmed nor was it "officially reported" that there even was a flat tire. The flat tire comment came from a radio interview with Kortnes brother the day after they found out she was missing. It was never played again after that first time.

RS had stated that Kortne called him and asked if he wanted to go out with her that night and he said "No" .. she tried to convince him to go out saying she needed to get out b/c she had a "bad day" .. he still declined .. when the radio announcer asked why Kortne was having a "bad day" .. he just said .. she had a flat tire and "stuff" .. No one knows IF that tire was flat at the time she went to the GSP .. if it was fixed .. if she had a spare on it .. There has been very little said regarding the car.

We do know that CP drove back from the Hardware Bar at which time they allegedly dropped MR off at his parents residence. We also know .. there was a time lapse in between dropping MR off and getting to Kortnes apt. It was stated by MR that there were "others" in the car. Since CP and Kortne arrived at her apartment together and alone, (per fight with neighbors on the steps) is it safe to assume that he dropped the others off somewhere. (I think so) .

BUT ... did he also take Kortne back to the GSP to pick up her car and then follow her back to her apt OR was her car already at the apt when they got there?? To my knowledge .. this has never been answered. LE impounded her car from her apt .. per reported photos .. it was not reported however if there was a flat tire on the vehicle.

It was reported that her keys were on the table .. that to me would "suggest" that she had recently driven .. but doesn't necessarily need to be the case.

 

[Trackergd]

At what percentage would each of you rate the possibility that what Amanda is saying is "disinformaton". Keep in mind the old saying "every rumor contains a grain of truth".

 

[alliemay]

If I remember correctly didn't she call her brother about the flat?

I'm not sure, maybe the way I was reading things, I thought she had the flat tire in the morning but got it fixed before the evening. I think the brother knew about the flat because she had sent him a text about it. So in my mind I was thinking that by the time she left the party at her house she was driving herself in her own car to the first bar. I'll have to search for some posts to see, it's been awhile since that discussion.

 

[Meems]

At what percentage would each of you rate the possibility that what Amanda is saying is "disinformaton". Keep in mind the old saying "every rumor contains a grain of truth".

I am leaning heavily towards the belief that this "Scary Man", (who's dad is "second leading trainer") .. is telling her a bogus story just to get a rise out of her .. and he did .. She obviously believed him .. Now we just have to wonder why he would have done such a thing. I just wonder what make him a "Scary Man" to her .. he really doesn't *look* that scary to me .. but then again .. I don't know him personally. I couldn't find a link between him and the players .. but they obviously know Amanda in common.

 

[Jmomma12]

I wish I was wrong but Amanda doesn't know any more than each and every one of us on this forum! It upsets me to know that she has brought false hope to Kortne's family and the community! It appears to the public that LE and the DA's office aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing but that is not the case. They have very valid reasons why they dont believe her!

 

[sleuthster1]

I agree that there is some tiny kernel of truth in every rumor, especially in a town like that. I grew up in Palmyra and everyone knew everyone else's business.

Also curious on your thoughts on this: We know CP left around 730am Sunday and that her mother went over on Monday morning, leaving a 24 hour gap... if we really believe CP wasn't involved she could have still been in the apartment when he left. I guess what I am asking is, how do we know that the incident (whatever it may be) occurred between 430-730am? Could it possibly have happened later Sunday morning/day after waking up?

And I ask this because I am just finding it SO hard to believe CP *wasn't* involved if the incident happened between 430-730am. Realistically, if she met up with someone outside, they would've had to call, text, e-mail, facebook -- SOMETHING -- to know to meet up... any of which they would've found on her phone. If they had come to the door/come inside CP likely would've woken up. Let's say it was the "scary man", if CP saw him and has no ties to him, he would have no reason to cover for him and would've told the police. Sorry if I am rambling, it just seems to me there is no way he doesn't know what happened.

 

[Trackergd]

I wish I was wrong but Amanda doesn't know any more than each and every one of us on this forum! It upsets me to know that she has brought false hope to Kortne's family and the community! It appears to the public that LE and the DA's office aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing but that is not the case. They have very valid reasons why they dont believe her!

I am sure there are valid reasons they don't believe Amanda, however I find it to be rather obvious that they don't wish to spend time and resources on her case, or at least they are giving that impression by their actions.

I have worked with LE most of my life. I respect them quite a bit and have a family member in LE and have been in LE myself. That said I can be very vocal taking them to task when I am getting the impression they are impeding or dismissing a case simply because they consider the individual not worth their time for any number of reasons.

All missing and lost persons deserve to be found, even when they bring their circumstances upon themselves.

Solving this case will require tenacity, turning over every rock and listening to every witness, regardless of their perceived mental state.

As much as I want this case to be solved, I know it is impractical due to expense to drain both lakes and pump out all the containment ponds. I'm sure this is a fact not lost on LE and a rural municipal government with limited funds.

I am just a little perplexed by the seeming dismissal of the volunteer divers. I wish they would move forward on their own by obtaining PADER permits to dive the lakes and property owners permission to dive the containment ponds. At least put that possibility to rest so we could move on to woodlands searches, flyers and national alerts to LE in case she pops up somewhere else.

This brings painful memories of my ongoing case for Lauren Jackson. I am sure that a lot more resources would be been invested in the case had Lauren been the daughter of a prominent family, rather than that of a known drug user, and had the police department been larger town rather than rural with internal issues.

 

[alliemay]

It's a shame, but I think this case is going to go quiet again. It's like another case I had spent some time on, Phylicia Thomas, drug users were also involved in that one, but it should not matter to Law Enforcement, they took an oath to serve and protect. By finding the person who harmed these girls, they are in fact protecting the general public from future harm from this individual. I'm sure some are in it for the reward of justice, but it makes me wonder how many more are in for political reasons or for something other than justice.

 

[alliemay]

http://www.examiner.com/article/kortne-stouffer-got-into-bar-fight-on-night-of-disappearance

I'm thinking after Cody dropped Milton off, he took Kortne for her car, there is a small window of time that is not accounted for in the media. I think between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m.
I wonder who else was in the car, did Cody have to drop them off to. Otherwise, after they dropped on Milton, why wouldn't they have just left Milton's car at his house and walk the short distance to Kortne's apartment? Either the rest of the party drove back to where Kortne's car was and she drove it home herself or someone else in that car drove it back for her, someone who lived close to her apartment.

 

[Richrd]

Two Unrelated Diving Specialists Critique This Week's Memorial Lake Search

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...g_expert_critical_of_kort.html#incart_m-rpt-1

I Found Their Specific Suggestions Useful.

 

[bpinkbinkie]

http://www.examiner.com/article/kortne-stouffer-got-into-bar-fight-on-night-of-disappearance

I'm thinking after Cody dropped Milton off, he took Kortne for her car, there is a small window of time that is not accounted for in the media. I think between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m.
I wonder who else was in the car, did Cody have to drop them off to. Otherwise, after they dropped on Milton, why wouldn't they have just left Milton's car at his house and walk the short distance to Kortne's apartment? Either the rest of the party drove back to where Kortne's car was and she drove it home herself or someone else in that car drove it back for her, someone who lived close to her apartment.

I have been thinking about this too lately. It is definitely said in the interviews that Cody and THE OTHERS dropped Milton off, so based on the assumption that there was at least one other person in the car with Cody and Kortne, and the neighbors say only Kortne and Cody confronted them at her apartment, the other person/people in the car had to go somewhere.

The other thing I have been thinking about is that according to reports, Cody was the designated driver that evening. In my mind that means minimal to no drinking. But yet he says he "passed out" at Kortne's apartment. Meaning passed out drunk or passed out tired?