Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

[Marthatex]

As a child, I had whooping cough and german measles. My brother had the mumps, my sister and brother had a lesser form of measles, but I never caught either of those nor did they catch whooping cough from me. They theorized I had a natural immunity at the time. When everyone else was walking around with a small pox vaccination scar...I was the only child without. I was given the vaccination, but it did not produce the scarring anticipated. Again, they theorized I must have a natural immunity.

Are some children born with a natural immunity and when given such vaccinations are subject to a reaction later in the immune system due to this? I think it is a possibility worth looking into.

Some people are definitely healthier than others. In the old days, they were the SURVIVORS. They say breast feeding helps give children immunities.

I was unable to breast feed mine, but one year I neglected the flu shots and my son got so sick. I was really worried about him; but sure, he survived with care. Of course we know these days to pump our kids with fluids and so forth. He had CONSTANT ear infections; finally tubes.

But now he seems relatively healthy and my daughter seems to get more colds, etc. Of course she taught school

I do find myself feeling guilty that I didn't breast feed.

Also mumps - if you didn't have it or weren't vaccinated as a child; then if you are a man and get it as an adult it can be very serious. I think it damages your testicles or something; causes sterility. Also you get alot sicker with it as an adult.

Also, you can get a shingles vaccine now. Shingles hurts like heck and can be very serious.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wasn't breastfed. I was born full term at 3 lbs. 2 ozs. due to being a twin (my twin did not survive). I was in the hospital for a month until they finally figured out it would be awhile before reaching that 5 lb. mark. I developed whooping cough the first week at home.

While I believe that breastfeeding does offer help to the infant's immune system, it is not always so.

 

[Marthatex]

We're more likely today to die of a car accident than anything else.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

That may be true. But have they banned the mercury NOW? No one has answered my question.

NO, there is no ban. Matter of fact, my 8 year old non-autistic, non-immunized, extremely healthy, and off the charts academically son, received his first vaccine a few months ago. They had to special order a mercury free tetanus shot, because they don't normally have them at the immunization clinic.

My 15 year old son who was fully immunized against 12 diseases at age 2 has debilitating autism, minimal language skills and major digestive issues. Both of these boys are from the SAME gene pool. They look a like, they like the same foods, the same music and the same movies. Their voices sound the same and they are both left handed. My 15 year old is in 3rd grade math, my 3rd grader is in 6th grade math.

My 15 year old became extremely ill after receiving his 15 month vaccines. He was immunized against Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, Diphtheria, Pertussis, tetanus, Hib and Polio in a combination of 5 shots. He became aloof, stopped talking had diarrhea and a fever for 5 days. The Doctor said the stomach flu was going around and to keep him hydrated...which I did faithfully. He never came out of it. He never "woke up".

Did I lie and tell the school system that my religious beliefs kept me from vaccinating my 2nd son? YOU BET I DID! Do they know I'm lying? You bet they do! Do I care??? YES, but not about what they think, only about the health of my 2 sons.

Thimerosal is bad, but IMHO it is not the only culprit. The massive amounts of diseases inoculated at the same time into the veins of infants is the smoking gun.

Sure, most vaccines don't contain mercury any longer, they've just increased by about 10 the number of vaccines a baby receives. I WILL NOT allow some vigilante for big Pharma to pump 22 life threatening diseases into my child by the time he reaches 2. It is unethical and dangerous.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thimerosal is bad, but IMHO it is not the only culprit. The massive amounts of diseases inoculated at the same time into the veins of infants is the smoking gun.

Sure, most vaccines don't contain mercury any longer, they've just increased by about 10 the number of vaccines a baby receives. I WILL NOT allow some vigilante for big Pharma to pump 22 life threatening diseases into my child by the time he reaches 2. It is unethical and dangerous.

I am glad you posted. You do raise an excellent point. The vaccinations they give children are of the same dosage given an adult according to things I have read.

I say the "proof is in the pudding". You are living it and watched it unfold as have many other families.

 

[LinasK]

ISN'T[/I]. And just ask the parents of autistic and retarded children about that.

And I think the parents who don't vaccinate are playing with fire, and I do have two very good friends with children with autism.

 

[reb]

interestedwoman... sorry to hear about what happened to your son.... how tragic. i agree..... give me one reason i shold trust what the powerful drug corporations are pressuring us to do! like they ahve our best interests at heart...... yeah,, right!!!

i was reading about how eli lilly developed the first major vaccines back in the early 20th c.... and now that a link has come out between vaccines and autism-ADD-etc... gosh, how convenient... they are also producing the drugs for that too.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

We're more likely today to die of a car accident than anything else.

Nope, that is incorrect

the odds of dying in a car accident are 1 in 237 (lifetime odds)
http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

the odds of developing Autism: 1 in 150. (resently upgraded from one in 166)
http://www.autismspeaks.org/inthenews/odds_campaign.php

 

[Details]

Sorry, but I do feel very strongly about this bit of incorrect information -

NO, if my child is vaccinated and yours is not, mine is not protected.

I've lived a long time in places that had to worry about fires, so I'll use that analogy. To protect your house from a fire, you are told to have a firebreak, greenbelt, don't have a shake shingle roof. You do all of that, and when a fire comes by, your house is far more likely to be untouched. Not certain, but likely. If all the houses around you are like that, the fire likely won't even be able to break into the neighborhood.

But if there are some houses, that don't take precautions, have shake shingle roof, dry or dead brush in the yard - they will likely catch fire. But more than that, they help to transmit the fire into the neighborhood, and the houses near the unprotected are exposed, and may burn down.

A vaccine isn't 100% protection. It makes it far less likely you will catch the disease, but does not eliminate that chance. When everyone is vaccinated, and the disease comes by - usually no one catches it, or very few, so it just bounces off. But the unvaccinated can catch it much easier, and they spread the exposure around - instead of 1 person exposing people, now there are 10, 10 times as many are exposed, are at risk.


Whatever you think about the odds, whatever you think about the safety, it is not only your child affected by your choice.

 

[Details]

Honestly - I don't believe the autism organizations on that 1 in 150 - not at all. They're hardly unbiased, and they're using that number for their own purposes.


It's obvious just seeing children that 1 in 150 are not autistic. 1 in 150 having some non-zero score on autism questions - that I can believe - aspergers, and even milder things - that's possible. 1 in 150 with autism - nope.


But autism has always been there.

 

[thefragile7393]

A vaccine isn't 100% protection. It makes it far less likely you will catch the disease, but does not eliminate that chance. When everyone is vaccinated, and the disease comes by - usually no one catches it, or very few, so it just bounces off. But the unvaccinated can catch it much easier, and they spread the exposure around - instead of 1 person exposing people, now there are 10, 10 times as many are exposed, are at risk.

I somewhat agree, however it depends on the person's susceptibility and level of health at the time---if one is healthy, one may not full-out catch it, if one is already fighting something (even if you don't know it or show symptoms yet) you may get it.. SeriouslySearching's post highlights this. You may be exposed, that does not mean you will get it. FWIW, I have never been vaxed for pneumonia or flu. I have also never gotten either pneumonia or the flu. Again it really reiterates that vaxed or not, all need to watch their health as closely as possible.

 

[Details]

Sounds like the research people want (nongovernmental research) exists:
The Institute of Medicine, a nonprofit, nongovernment organization, takes it one step further and says the MMR vaccine absolutely does not cause autism.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20070611/court-weighs-autism-vaccine-link

Here's a bit more:
http://www.dukehealth.org/HealthLibrary/AdviceFromDoctors/YourChildsHealth/mmr_vaccine_and_autism

No one disputes that autism is being diagnosed more frequently than it was twenty years ago. But experts debate to what extent this trend reflects better detection or a real increase in the disorder itself. The definition of autism has been expanded considerably in recent years, and better recognition likely accounts for much of the rise. Indeed, studies of families and twins suggest that genetic factors are of primary importance.

Denmark removed thimerosal from its vaccines in 1992 and still experienced a subsequent rise in autism. The United States has done the same, and today all of the required childhood vaccines are now available without this preservative. Again, no association with autism has been shown.

If MMR caused a significant fraction of the rise in cases of autism, one would expect that its introduction would have been associated with a jump in autism cases. Studies have examined this question in both California and Britain. In neither case has any link been found.
Far from being covered up, the MMR/autism hypothesis has been intensively studied. One of the authors of Wakefield's original paper has recently stepped forward to say that "There is now unequivocal evidence that MMR is not a risk factor for autism -- this statement is not spin or medical conspiracy, but reflects an unprecedented volume of medical study."

 

[Details]

And one more, with nice links to the studies themselves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine

In the late 1990s, controversy over vaccines escalated in both the US and the United Kingdom when a study, published in the respected journal Lancet, by Dr. Andrew Wakefield suggested a possible link between bowel disorders, autism and the MMR vaccine, and urged further research.[1] His report garnered significant media attention, leading to a drop in the uptake of the MMR vaccine in the United Kingdom and some other countries. In response to the controversies, a number of studies with larger sample sizes were conducted, and failed to confirm the findings.[4] [5]. In 2004, 10 of the 13 authors of the original Wakefield study retracted the paper's "interpretation", or conclusion, section, which had claimed: "Interpretation. We identified associated gastrointestinal disease and developmental regression in a group of previously normal children, which was generally associated in time with possible environmental triggers." The retraction of this claim stated that the data were insufficient to establish a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism.[6] Wakefield was later found to have received £435,000 in fees from trial lawyers attempting to show the vaccine was dangerous [7] [8]. Also in 2004, the United States' Institute of Medicine reported that evidence "favors rejection" of any link between vaccines containing thimerosal, or MMR, and the development of autism [9].

 

[thefragile7393]

From the CDC

Who is affected?
ASDs occur in all racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic groups and are four times more likely to occur in boys than in girls. CDC’s Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network released data in 2007 that found about 1 in 150 8-year-old children in multiple areas of the United States had an ASD.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/overview.htm

Perhaps you'll believe the government then?

Also, thimerosal, as has already been stated, is the tip of the iceberg. The MMR, for instance, never contained thimerosal. Again, more vaxes have been put into children over the years--more than there used to be--and these inoculations for multiple diseases are put into children whose own blood/brain barrier hasn't closed yet . There are easily a number of reasons how autism can happen, and it doesn't have to happen with one shot...the overload of multiple shots and multiple diseases being put in in a relatively short period of time can build within the system to that one more shot might be the catalyst to tip it over.

Also, who are doing the studies? A group with a vested interested? Researchers who hold patents on vaccines? Who is funding the study? http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/conflict.htm Not all the research here may be fully correct, there's plenty of misinformation on the non-vax side, however most of these links are worth looking at.

Also, lets look at the full story behind the Wakefield study: http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/mmr.htm

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

interestedwoman... sorry to hear about what happened to your son.... how tragic. i agree..... give me one reason i shold trust what the powerful drug corporations are pressuring us to do! like they ahve our best interests at heart...... yeah,, right!!!

i was reading about how eli lilly developed the first major vaccines back in the early 20th c.... and now that a link has come out between vaccines and autism-ADD-etc... gosh, how convenient... they are also producing the drugs for that too.

Thank you Reb. He is the sweetest kid that ever walked...I have to admit that.

I think something that people are not even focusing on are as you pointed out, the lesser autism, as in ADD and ADHD. Also Bi-polar, and many increased childhood illness. As the immunization schedule go up, so does the amount of kids with some sort of disability.

We have a small school system...we have herd immunizations. The year they started the mass immunizations, (as opposed to receiving them in the Dr. office at the parents convenience) was January 1992. SO, the kids who started this herd immunization all started High school this year. In the resource room, (special ed, or whatever you want to call it), there are 25 kids. 2 Seniors, 1 with down syndrome, one with CP. There are 4 Juniors, all 4 listed with the MR/learning disabilities range. There are 3 Sophomores all with learning disabilities/MR AND 16 FRESHMAN. 3 MR/learning disabilities, 9 ADD and 4 ASD spectrum kids. There are only 40 kids in the Freshman class TOTAL That makes the incident for that class 1 in 10 for autism!

I have no need to make this up, I sat in the immunization clinic with these moms. We where doing what was "the right thing" for our kids. Our kids got screwed.

 

[Marthatex]

Nope, that is incorrect

the odds of dying in a car accident are 1 in 237 (lifetime odds)
http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

the odds of developing Autism: 1 in 150. (resently upgraded from one in 166)
http://www.autismspeaks.org/inthenews/odds_campaign.php

I wasn't comparing it to autism. I was comparing it to my likelihood of dying from polio, whooping cough, flu, meningitis, measles, mumps rubella, all of the diseases I'm vaccinated against. If we were back in the old days; our likelihood would be higher of dying from disease. Modern medicine has increased our life expectancy overall, though alot of other countries, like France, have a longer life expectancy. We are more obese, and get less exercise than folks in France.

People don't usually die of autism. I don't know if I'm more likely to die of cancer than an automobile accident. May be.

I certainly doubt that I'll get autism as an adult. I could have sworn I read somewhere that we are more likely to die in an auto accident than anything else. Not sure where I read that, but I thought I did. Auto accidents are pretty high up there; and deaths of children in autos are pretty high too.

If you don't have the mercury now; why not get the shots?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Honestly - I don't believe the autism organizations on that 1 in 150 - not at all. They're hardly unbiased, and they're using that number for their own purposes.


It's obvious just seeing children that 1 in 150 are not autistic. 1 in 150 having some non-zero score on autism questions - that I can believe - aspergers, and even milder things - that's possible. 1 in 150 with autism - nope.


But autism has always been there.

May I ask how many children you have and their ages? Do you have any boys born between 1992 and 2007?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I wasn't comparing it to autism. I was comparing it to my likelihood of dying from polio, whooping cough, flu, meningitis, measles, mumps rubella, all of the diseases I'm vaccinated against. If we were back in the old days; our likelihood would be higher of dying from disease. Modern medicine has increased our life expectancy overall, though alot of other countries, like France, have a longer life expectancy. We are more obese, and get less exercise than folks in France.

People don't usually die of autism. I don't know if I'm more likely to die of cancer than an automobile accident. May be.

I certainly doubt that I'll get autism as an adult. I could have sworn I read somewhere that we are more likely to die in an auto accident than anything else. Not sure where I read that, but I thought I did. Auto accidents are pretty high up there; and deaths of children in autos are pretty high too.

If you don't have the mercury now; why not get the shots?

Because I think there is definitely a genetic factor, and I think it is triggered by environmental factors such as 22 diseases shot in the arm of an infant. Please re-read my post, I don't feel mercury is the only culprit. (Though it does weaken the immune system, making one more vulnerable for other illnesses)

When Celebrex was taken off of the market because it was found to cause heart attacks in SOME people, no one questioned that. Why is it so hard to phantom this?

 

[Marthatex]

Sounds like the research people want (nongovernmental research) exists:
The Institute of Medicine, a nonprofit, nongovernment organization, takes it one step further and says the MMR vaccine absolutely does not cause autism.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20070611/court-weighs-autism-vaccine-link

Here's a bit more:
http://www.dukehealth.org/HealthLibrary/AdviceFromDoctors/YourChildsHealth/mmr_vaccine_and_autism

Good post. Why did autism still go up in US and Denmark if they stopped using the Thermesol in the shots?

We must realize that mercury is in our WATER and AIR also.

 

[Marthatex]

Because I think there is definitely a genetic factor, and I think it is triggered by environmental factors such as 22 diseases shot in the arm of an infant. Please re-read my post, I don't feel mercury is the only culprit. (Though it does weaken the immune system, making one more vulnerable for other illnesses)

When Celebrex was taken off of the market because it was found to cause heart attacks in SOME people, no one questioned that. Why is it so hard to phantom this?

Yes, if the drugs affect a few people, sometimes they will take them off. Lawsuits, and actually usally they find that it has happened in a SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH number of folks.

But, they look at the studies and find a DEFINITE connection - usually several studies showing it.

"shooting them with diseases?" Well, evidently it is just enough to form antibodies, and years and years of scientific study have shown that this works in preventing diseases. Once the child has formed the antibodies, he won't get sick.

NO DEFINITE STUDIES done by mainstream science have proven that the shots cause autism or anything else in a significant # of people.

You said you "think" the shots cause....and that's exactly it, you can only think it because it has not been definitely proven. It HAS been proven that mercury is harmful to humans over certain amounts.

But evidently the mercury has been taken out; yet people are still not getting their children immunized. Now you think it's the "diseases themselves" that hurt the child forever. I don't think so; my kids are pretty healthy now (27-29)

ADD can be caused by all kinds of factors - such as genetic, too much stimulation in childhood, emotional trauma in the home, all sorts of things.
I'm not sure anyone has attributed ADD to shots either, on a large scale basis.

I don't think my child got 22 diseases, but more like 4 or 5 in infancy; but maybe I'll go back and look.