Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Good post. Why did autism still go up in US and Denmark if they stopped using the Thermesol in the shots?

We must realize that mercury is in our WATER and AIR also.

HELLLO...knock, knock is anyone home? It took years to use up the stock pile of Thimerosal laden vaccines. YEARS! In the meanwhile they ADDED 10 MORE diseases to the immunization schedule. It has the smoke screen effect, don't you see. They took out (most, not all) of the mercury and added a crap more shots. The outcome is the same. SICK, vaccine injured BABIES. PLeeeese tell me if you would be willing to, right now, go to the clinic and have 6 shots for 22 diseases, regardless if you have natural immunity or not? Will you do it?

None of the panel at the CDC would, when requested to receive all the vaccines babies received.

 

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From the CDC http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/overview.htm

Perhaps you'll believe the government then?

The government is more accurate. It's not autism. It's ASD. Which is a pretty incredibly broad, open ended diagnosis - includes almost anything other than a raging extrovert. Autism is one of five different diagnosis that fall into ASD.

I've read the anti-vaccine links - those recommended to me by people on these very forums. Tons of misinformation, miniscule studies being considered more reliable than broad ones, studies being misinterpreted to mean the opposite of what they actually say (I'll never forget clicking on one link to a very reliable seeming study showing a good link between vaccination and autism - to find a page from the researchers who conducted the study explaining how very badly their work had been completely misinterpreted, and how what their statistics really said showed a higher rate of autism among the non-vaccinated members of their study!), and anecdotal evidence.

 

[thefragile7393]

From this link, which has been posted earlier: this:http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

is this:

This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<3 mcg) of mercury left after post-production
thimerosal removal, but these amounts have no biological effect

. It's not a lot, no. Yes you might get more in a can of tuna. Obviously not everyone who has been vaxed develops autism or any other problems, however, it could be enough to tip someone already susceptible into the damaged area.

 

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May I ask how many children you have and their ages? Do you have any boys born between 1992 and 2007?

No boys. One girl, born last year. And she's getting vaccinated for it all.

I'm one of 3 sisters, with several aunts and uncles on either side generating cousins that generate a ton more little kids. We tend to be careful sorts, do our own research - and independently we all found no basis when looking at the real studies to ever consider not vaccinating. I've got a ton of neices and nephews in of the age range you discuss. All vaccinated. No autism. Not sure of the exact count, I don't see all of them all the time. 25-30.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

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"shooting them with diseases?" Well, evidently it is just enough to form antibodies, and years and years of scientific study have shown that this works in preventing diseases. Once the child has formed the antibodies, he won't get sick.

NO DEFINITE STUDIES done by mainstream science have proven that the shots cause autism or anything else in a significant # of people.

You said you "think" the shots cause....and that's exactly it, you can only think it because it has not been definitely proven. It HAS been proven that mercury is harmful to humans over certain amounts.

But evidently the mercury has been taken out; yet people are still not getting their children immunized. Now you think it's the "diseases themselves" that hurt the child forever. I don't think so; my kids are pretty healthy now (27-29)

ADD can be caused by all kinds of factors - such as genetic, too much stimulation in childhood, emotional trauma in the home, all sorts of things.
I'm not sure anyone has attributed ADD to shots either, on a large scale basis.

I don't think my child got 22 diseases, but more like 4 or 5 in infancy; but maybe I'll go back and look.

In 2005 there was a huge outbreak of Mumps in the central northern states. The CDC ADMITTED that 90 % of the people who contracted the disease where FULLY immunized. Vaccines don't work.

Last year in Hebron NE there was an outbreak of Chicken Pox. 3 grades where out with the POX. EVERY CHILD was immunized with the vaccine, except 1. MINE, he was the last one to get it, and the fastest to get over it. Vaccines don't work.

The reason we have less diseases is not vaccines, it's because we live in cleaner environments and know how to stop the spread. We don't live in grass huts any more. We have clean water and medicine.

Can't wait for you to have a few grandchildren. We'll see how soon you change your tune.

 

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Yes, if the drugs affect a few people, sometimes they will take them off. Lawsuits, and actually usally they find that it has happened in a SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH number of folks.

But, they look at the studies and find a DEFINITE connection - usually several studies showing it..

The studies have been done too, and no connection has been found. A connection would be easy enough to see. Compare the percentage with autism, ASD, or whatever in vaccinated and non, and if there's a difference, there's a connection. They haven't found it. They've looked.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

The government is more accurate. It's not autism. It's ASD. Which is a pretty incredibly broad, open ended diagnosis - includes almost anything other than a raging extrovert. Autism is one of five different diagnosis that fall into ASD....
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Wrong

 

[Spazkat9696]

I can believe the number is 1 in 150 or even higher. I can also say the younger kids seem to be more severe than the older kids. It seems like the younger ones are checked out more than the older ones. I have no idea why they just are. I know that their speech and language is slower to develop but this is more than that. Did I get my son his shots? Initially yes I even throughly questioned the doctors before they gave them to him. Does he still need more shots? Yes at 4 - 5 years they are to get 6 more. He will not be getting them. At first I was going to allow him to get them one at a time spaced out with a month or so between them, but after he got the first one he had a noticeable regression in his speech and a reaction at the injection site. The reaction took over a month to go away and it took him 4 - 5 months to recover to where he was before the vaccination. I hate to think of what would have happened if he had gotten them all at the same time as the doctor had recommended. No more flu shots either. I have never gotten one and never had the flu. He got one last year and he still got the flu, so I don't see the point in vaccinating for something that is so hit and miss. The way I see it the new diseases that are popping up because the older ones we have "eradicated" served a purpose. Now we have new even more deadly diseases to deal with. Sure a lot of people died in the past for stuff that's preventable now, but who's to say that surviving those diseases doesn't give us a yet undiscovered resistance to these new diseases which we never saw in the past. Nature has disease for a reason, and who am I to decide the reason is no good?

 

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In 2005 there was a huge outbreak of Mumps in the central northern states. The CDC ADMITTED that 90 &#37; of the people who contracted the disease where FULLY immunized. Vaccines don't work.

Last year in Hebron NE there was an outbreak of Chicken Pox. 3 grades where out with the POX. EVERY CHILD was immunized with the vaccine, except 1. MINE, he was the last one to get it, and the fastest to get over it. Vaccines don't work.

The reason we have less diseases is not vaccines, it's because we live in cleaner environments and know how to stop the spread. We don't live in grass huts any more. We have clean water and medicine.

Can't wait for you to have a few grandchildren. We'll see how soon you change your tune.

I have a little toddler here, grabbing my mouse. She got her first vaccine within minutes of birth. She continues to get the full set. While pregnant, I read up on the whole controversy - all the research. It's very clear - there is no link. I've also got a ton of nieces and nephews - they're also vaccinated.


Vaccines work, they work very well. My grandmother grew up when there weren't vaccines - and she wasn't living in any grass hut, she had clean water and medicine. She remembers what it was like not having vaccines, the fear, the death, the destroyed lives. They work. Or - take a look at England, where the whole vaccine scare started, where they are having some epidemics running through because of the higher number of unvaccinated children.

 

[thefragile7393]

It's 15 before age 5, not counting booster. Quite a bit more than I got, and I'm 28.

 

[Marthatex]

HELLLO...knock, knock is anyone home? It took years to use up the stock pile of Thimerosal laden vaccines. YEARS! In the meanwhile they ADDED 10 MORE diseases to the immunization schedule. It has the smoke screen effect, don't you see. They took out (most, not all) of the mercury and added a crap more shots. The outcome is the same. SICK, vaccine injured BABIES. PLeeeese tell me if you would be willing to, right now, go to the clinic and have 6 shots for 22 diseases, regardless if you have natural immunity or not? Will you do it?

None of the panel at the CDC would, when requested to receive all the vaccines babies received.

This is Duke University - I would imagine they considered this in the studies. Haven't read them though.

Look, I would think this is a learning thread and opinion thread. Mine were never subjected to 22 diseases, and YES I would question that.

My children were born in '78 and '80 (a boy) Is this before that much thermesol was in the shots? I do remember past posts by Kim a long time ago that perhaps there was some negligence and even cover-up by the CDC; maybe they knew it was harmful. Maybe there have been some lawsuits? But that mistake about the mercury would not make me forego all immunizations. But I can certainly understand a parent who is sure his child has autism because of this would not want further shots.

I have absolutely no doubt that Mercury is harmful, as well as alot of other things we consume. But what we who believe in immunizations fear is there would really be epidemics again if we didn't immunize. I just can't see not immunizing for polio, sorry.

That's my belief and you're entitled to yours - knock knock yes I'm home.

 

[JBean]

I have a little toddler here, grabbing my mouse. She got her first vaccine within minutes of birth. She continues to get the full set. While pregnant, I read up on the whole controversy - all the research. It's very clear - there is no link. I've also got a ton of nieces and nephews - they're also vaccinated.


Vaccines work, they work very well. My grandmother grew up when there weren't vaccines - and she wasn't living in any grass hut, she had clean water and medicine. She remembers what it was like not having vaccines, the fear, the death, the destroyed lives. They work. Or - take a look at England, where the whole vaccine scare started, where they are having some epidemics running through because of the higher number of unvaccinated children.

Great information throughout the thread Details. I agree with you and Martha across the board. I did my own research since I have 5 boys, and came up with the same take on this situation as you. I am a strong believer in vaccinations and will advise my sons to vaccinate my grandbabies..if I ever get any.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I have a little toddler here, grabbing my mouse. She got her first vaccine within minutes of birth. She continues to get the full set. While pregnant, I read up on the whole controversy - all the research. It's very clear - there is no link. I've also got a ton of nieces and nephews - they're also vaccinated.


Vaccines work, they work very well. My grandmother grew up when there weren't vaccines - and she wasn't living in any grass hut, she had clean water and medicine. She remembers what it was like not having vaccines, the fear, the death, the destroyed lives. They work. Or - take a look at England, where the whole vaccine scare started, where they are having some epidemics running through because of the higher number of unvaccinated children.

First off you are very lucky she is a she. Girls are far less likely to develop autism, but they can...and do.

Secondly...I hope for your daughters sake, you are 100&#37; right in your "research"

Thirdly, why would you vaccinate a minutes old baby? How would you know if she was having a reaction, if you never knew what she was like before the shot? Yes...babies have reactions to vaccinations, that's why there is the Vaccine compensation program. YIKES, I would NEVER vaccinate a child I hadn't held for more than a few minutes.

 

[Marthatex]

It's 15 before age 5, not counting booster. Quite a bit more than I got, and I'm 28.

Ok, well you're the age of my daughter, and just sayin' you didn't have to live during the polio epidemic. Have you seen someone in an iron lung? Have you seen the braces that survivors had to wear; many of those have had an early death by now.

I don't know if you've ever even lived through a flu epidemic. I can see how someone your age would not feel the dire need for shots that older folks like me feel.

 

[JBean]

Ok, well you're the age of my daughter, and just sayin' you didn't have to live during the polio epidemic. Have you seen someone in an iron lung? Have you seen the braces that survivors had to wear; many of those have had an early death by now.

I don't know if you've ever even lived through a flu epidemic. I can see how someone your age would not feel the dire need for shots that older folks like me feel.

This is a good point Martha. I have also seen survivors and my parents lived through the heartache of those years.So because of our age and experience it is much more real to us than possibly to others.
But it works both ways. I have many children and many friends with children and many siblings with children. I only know one person in my wide circle of friends and acquaintances that has an autistic child. His mom works with autistic children and she is pretty knowledgeable in the field by this time. She does not blame vaccines for his autism. My point is, perhaps if I were more touched by autism then I would have a different view too.
I can see the passion of all the posters here who have been touched by this in one way or another and understand the need to do their own research and question everything.

 

[csds703]

This is a good point Martha. I have also seen survivors and my parents lived through the heartache of those years.So because of our age and experience it is much more real to us than possibly to others.
But it works both ways. I have many children and many friends with children and many siblings with children. I only know one person in my wide circle of friends and acquaintances that has an autistic child. His mom works with autistic children and she is pretty knowledgeable in the field by this time. She does not blame vaccines for his autism. My point is, perhaps if I were more touched by autism then I would have a different view too.
I can see the passion of all the posters here who have been touched by this in one way or another and understand the need to do their own research and question everything.

Well my life has been touched by autism. I have also read article after article about the link between vaccines and the sudden rise in autism. I have also read about all the preservatives and chemicals in our foods as a possible link. It is really difficult to know at this point why there is this sudden rise. I feel that there is some environmental plus genetics involved. I just haven't found anything conclusive.

You mentioned that you know one child. I know a few. Interestingly, growing up, I knew none.

I do believe that this is something that really needs alot of research. What is going to happen to all these kids when they grow up. 1 in 150 kids is scary odds.

 

[reb]

so basically.. the jist of this whole thing is,, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. i understand it is a very tough decision and there is not enough concrete evidence other than a whole lot of cause-and-effect situations (and, a rather alarming amount).
i guess i would rather risk my kid (if i had one) getting a natural disease than getting mercury poisoning from a doctor... and giving them lifelong autism or worse, retardation.
i'm not saying this is exactly what happened to my brother but it seems that his retardation (which is severe) showed up around the age he got the vaccines. it more or less destroyed my mother and it set in place irreversable factors that ultimately affected my parents' marriage (which ended years later),, and it also affected me. i could never make the decision to KNOWINGLY do something that could cause this to happen to a child of mine. and if it means not having children at all, then so be it.

what happened to my brother could have been strictly genetic. but my point is,, i could never bear to do something that 'may or may not' cause such permanent damage... especially a man-made thing produced by a drug corporation for greed and profit.... no way. from what we are all seeing now,, the risk is too high to play russian roulette with a kid's life!

 

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First off you are very lucky she is a she. Girls are far less likely to develop autism, but they can...and do.

Secondly...I hope for your daughters sake, you are 100% right in your "research"

Thirdly, why would you vaccinate a minutes old baby? How would you know if she was having a reaction, if you never knew what she was like before the shot? Yes...babies have reactions to vaccinations, that's why there is the Vaccine compensation program. YIKES, I would NEVER vaccinate a child I hadn't held for more than a few minutes.

I forget which vaccine it was, but it was something they were afraid she could be exposed to in the hospital. Any reaction would be far less severe than the disease. When computing odds, you have to look at both sides - the risk, and the risk if you don't do it as well. I think that's very much missing, and really not even mentioned on most anti-vaccine sites. They've forgotten that measles, mumps, polio, etc. exist, let alone that they kill and maim children.

 

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Ok, well you're the age of my daughter, and just sayin' you didn't have to live during the polio epidemic. Have you seen someone in an iron lung? Have you seen the braces that survivors had to wear; many of those have had an early death by now.

I don't know if you've ever even lived through a flu epidemic. I can see how someone your age would not feel the dire need for shots that older folks like me feel.

My chiropractor was a lucky polio survivor. He can walk and work - he's very twisted around, hobbles, but he can move.

 

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...You mentioned that you know one child. I know a few. Interestingly, growing up, I knew none. ...

Growing up, was autism even a diagnosis? When I was growing up (and I'm not all that old), it wasn't even known of. Rainman was kinda the disease's coming out moment, it was known of before then, but far less.