Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

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so basically.. the jist of this whole thing is,, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. ....

You can say that about anything in life - but the odds matter. Everytime you take a shower, you risk your life (many people die that way). Not taking one is a risk as well (lack of sanitation kills many people too). One is a higher risk than the other, and has other benefits.

Seatbelts - in some one in a million accidents, the seatbelt will kill you. In the other almost a million, it will save your life.


So - dammed if you do, dammed if you don't applies to everything. But the odds make a huge difference.

 

[JBean]

Well my life has been touched by autism. I have also read article after article about the link between vaccines and the sudden rise in autism. I have also read about all the preservatives and chemicals in our foods as a possible link. It is really difficult to know at this point why there is this sudden rise. I feel that there is some environmental plus genetics involved. I just haven't found anything conclusive.

You mentioned that you know one child. I know a few. Interestingly, growing up, I knew none.

I do believe that this is something that really needs alot of research. What is going to happen to all these kids when they grow up. 1 in 150 kids is scary odds.

Hi csds. I believe it is genetic in nature and/or possibly related to the pregnancy. Sometimes there are no explanations.
My son has the brain disorder of epilepsy. Millions of people are epileptic and in many cases there is no reason for it and no explanation. Sometimes it is secondary to other disorders and sometimes there is a clear cause for it such as head trauma. but in many cases,as with my son, it is ideopathic. There is no family history of it at all and none of my other sons have it.
So unfortunately we may never have all the answers.

ETA: where is the 1 in 150 stat coming from? Don't mean you csds I know it was quoted on the board somewhere. I'll go back maybe there was a link? TIA anyone.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Growing up, was autism even a diagnosis? When I was growing up (and I'm not all that old), it wasn't even known of. Rainman was kinda the disease's coming out moment, it was known of before then, but far less.

Yes it was. I remember my sister did a Psychology term paper on Autism in 1979 while a senior in Collage. She was the first to mention that maybe my son had the disorder. I was furious with her.:furious:

I guess I really need to set a few things straight. I have been a little voiceterous within this thread, and I'm sorry. I for one am not against vaccines. I think there are too many too soon in a child's developmental years. My only goal is to achieve awareness.

I live with a Teenager with Autism. I love him with all of my heart, but I do not wish his disability on anyone. That's why I tend to preach. I remember sitting at home during my maternity leave with him watching the Phil Donahue Show, (Okay, I'm old). The show was about parents who did not vaccinate their children. To be honest, I can't even remember the reason they didn't, but all I could think was...:"What TERRIBLE PARENTS".

It is okay if you don't agree. I'm sure you are like me so many years ago watching Donahue.

I just want parents to think about it. Maybe skip a few months between vaccines. Maybe ask for one instead of 8. This is the future of our children, and looking at statistics, it's not going so well. THINK, LISTEN, LEARN. Educate yourself, and do what you really think is right.

Autism is a LIFE LONG disability. It's hard, and it's FOR REAL.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Honestly - I don't believe the autism organizations on that 1 in 150 - not at all. They're hardly unbiased, and they're using that number for their own purposes.


It's obvious just seeing children that 1 in 150 are not autistic. 1 in 150 having some non-zero score on autism questions - that I can believe - aspergers, and even milder things - that's possible. 1 in 150 with autism - nope.


But autism has always been there.

Let me stop you right here. If you do not believe it...you have not been affected and have no clue. Go into my generation (I am 49 years old) and find the children with such disabilities. Few and far between, my friend.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi csds. I believe it is genetic in nature and/or possibly related to the pregnancy. Sometimes there are no explanations.
My son has the brain disorder of epilepsy. Millions of people are epileptic and in many cases there is no reason for it and no explanation. Sometimes it is secondary to other disorders and sometimes there is a clear cause for it such as head trauma. but in many cases,as with my son, it is ideopathic. There is no family history of it at all and none of my other sons have it.
So unfortunately we may never have all the answers.

ETA: where is the 1 in 150 stat coming from? Don't mean you csds I know it was quoted on the board somewhere. I'll go back maybe there was a link? TIA anyone.

Your stats might cooincide where our stats start. My cousin's daughter has battled Epilepsy her entire life.

So could the cause from Autism and other disorders have come from the shots WE received? Sure. It is possible. Our government has used many people for test experiments.

I know with the research done on my family...this was not part of our medical history. I would admit that anything remotely could be...but it thus far has not been seen. We did find that my mother having a rare disease of the liver was part of our history...but only perhaps as we cannot prove the death related to such. (Very sad to say)

This perhaps will be unpopular now...but I have started a DNA chart on my family. I want to make sure that I am instrumental on the future of our family. If it means for a second that one of our heirs need answers to a medical question in the future...they have the means to do testing. I do this as an art project. I see it as important. Perhaps in the future they can tell why my grandson born so close to my other grandson developed Autism and the other did not. I can only pray they can give an absolute.

 

[pedinurse]

I think I've posted this before, but I almost died / was SERIOUSLY ill when I was school aged because of chicken pox. If I had the vaccine available (it wasn't out yet) it would have been preventable. My doctors say I'm lucky I don't have brain damage. Anyway, my kids get the vaccines... I would much rather them get the vaccines than get the debilitating or death causing diseases they prevent. I'm much more worried about the sushi and sake I ate and drank during pregnancy before I found out I was pregnant causing harm than the vaccines!

 

[Marthatex]

This article from emedicinehealth says that 1 in 1000 people in the U.S. have autism; that the number of children being diagnosed is increasing, and that more boys than girls have it.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/autism/article_em.htm

If symptoms show up sometimes as early as 12-18 months; the children would not have had all their shots by then; though they would have had some.

Why would boys get it more than girls, if boys and girls equally have shots? Do they have a more vulnerable nervous system?

It seems if it were mercury poisoning it would be an equal opportunity disability. Just askin......

 

[JBean]

Yes it was. I remember my sister did a Psychology term paper on Autism in 1979 while a senior in Collage. She was the first to mention that maybe my son had the disorder. I was furious with her.:furious:

I guess I really need to set a few things straight. I have been a little voiceterous within this thread, and I'm sorry. I for one am not against vaccines. I think there are too many too soon in a child's developmental years. My only goal is to achieve awareness.

I live with a Teenager with Autism. I love him with all of my heart, but I do not wish his disability on anyone. That's why I tend to preach. I remember sitting at home during my maternity leave with him watching the Phil Donahue Show, (Okay, I'm old). The show was about parents who did not vaccinate their children. To be honest, I can't even remember the reason they didn't, but all I could think was...:"What TERRIBLE PARENTS".

It is okay if you don't agree. I'm sure you are like me so many years ago watching Donahue.

I just want parents to think about it. Maybe skip a few months between vaccines. Maybe ask for one instead of 8. This is the future of our children, and looking at statistics, it's not going so well. THINK, LISTEN, LEARN. Educate yourself, and do what you really think is right.

Autism is a LIFE LONG disability. It's hard, and it's FOR REAL.

Oh good post interestedwoman.

 

[Marthatex]

I think I've posted this before, but I almost died when I was school aged because of chicken pox. If I had the vaccine available (it wasn't out yet) it would have been preventable. My doctors say I'm lucky I don't have brain damage. Anyway, my kids get the vaccines... I would much rather them get the vaccines than get the debilitating or death causing diseases they prevent. I'm much more worried about the sushi and sake I ate and drank during pregnancy before I found out I was pregnant causing harm than the vaccines!

Yes, my son was very sick with chicken pox. Just like any disease, some kids have light cases and others more serious cases. The vaccine wasn't available then and he caught it from his sister, who was five. It seemed much harder on him, at age 3.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I think I've posted this before, but I almost died when I was school aged because of chicken pox. If I had the vaccine available (it wasn't out yet) it would have been preventable. My doctors say I'm lucky I don't have brain damage. Anyway, my kids get the vaccines... I would much rather them get the vaccines than get the debilitating or death causing diseases they prevent. I'm much more worried about the sushi and sake I ate and drank during pregnancy before I found out I was pregnant causing harm than the vaccines!

You are lucky.

 

[JBean]

Your stats might cooincide where our stats start. My cousin's daughter has battled Epilepsy her entire life.

So could the cause from Autism and other disorders have come from the shots WE received? Sure. It is possible. Our government has used many people for test experiments.

I know with the research done on my family...this was not part of our history. I would admit that anything remotely could be...but it thus far has not been. (We did uncover some factual medical evidence which was...but this never came into view.)

This perhaps will be unpopular now...but I have started a DNA chart on my family. I want to make sure that we are instrumental on the future of our family. If it means for a second that one of our heirs need answers to a medical question in the future...they have the means to do testing. I do this as an art project. I see it as important. Perhaps in the future they can tell why my grandson born so close to my other grandson developed Autism. I can only pray they can give an absolute.

Since you changed your post after I responded to it I deleted mine and am going to start over lol.

I am not sure what you mean about the stats. My son has not battled epilepsy his whole life. he got his first seizure at about 20 months and now he is 20 years.
My point about the epilepsy is that all my kids from the same gene pool, no family history, no explanation at all, my son is epileptic for no reason. I will never know why ,he just is. Could be the same with autism. A genetic link? most likely in the case of autism, IMO. A developmental snafu? perhaps in both cases.
I do not believe that a scientific link has been established between these disorders and vaccines. Could they have been responsible? Of course, but IMO, it has not been shown that they specifically are.
People absolutely have reactions to vaccines. I mean look at peanut allergies. What is harmless to the general population is a death sentence to some. No way around it. I agree that vaccines are not 100% safe, but nothing is and one must weigh out the stats and odds and make an informed decision.
I think that is what we are all doing, we just are making differnt decisions..and so it goes.
I also keep a medical chart on my family.Why would that be unpopular? I have 7 siblings loads of nieces and nephews and over 80 cousins.Try keeping that straight lol!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, my son was very sick with chicken pox. Just like any disease, some kids have light cases and others more serious cases. The vaccine wasn't available then and he caught it from his sister, who was five. It seemed much harder on him, at age 3.

I would consider myself to be lucky as far as chicken pox. My first go at it...I had one...I still have ONE single pox mark on my body. My second...three and no marks left. My third...six and no scars. Then I graduated to having Shingles instead. I have had shingles four times in the same nerve pathway. It isn't pleasant, but I still have some immune system left against the virus as it keeps itself at bay. I don't have the lingering pain and don't have scars. However, as soon as I am aware it is happening...I take Valtrex to help. My Doctor and I are still researching the latest vaccine for shingles as we speak.

 

[JBean]

When I got the chicken pox is 7th grade, I intentionally scratched them off so I would have scars. I guess I looked at them as battle scars or something. lol

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Since you changed your post after I responded to it I deleted mine and am going to start over lol.

I am not sure what you mean about the stats. My son has not battled epilepsy his whole life. he got his first seizure at about 20 months and now he is 20 years.
My point about the epilepsy is that all my kids from the same gene pool, no family history, no explanation at all, my son is epileptic for no reason. I will never know why ,he just is. Could be the same with autism. A genetic link? most likely in the case of autism, IMO. A developmental snafu? perhaps in both cases.
I do not believe that a scientific link has been established between these disorders and vaccines. Could they have been responsible? Of course, but IMO, it has not been shown that they specifically are.
People absolutely have reactions to vaccines. I mean look at peanut allergies. What is harmless to the general population is a death sentence to some. No way around it. I agree that vaccines are not 100% safe, but nothing is and one must weigh out the stats and odds and make an informed decision.
I think that is what we are all doing, we just are making differnt decisions..and so it goes.
I also keep a medical chart on my family.Why would that be unpopular? I have 7 siblings loads of nieces and nephews and over 80 cousins.Try keeping that straight lol!

DNA charts are very unpopular given the implications. I do think they should look at what we were given and now are affecting grandchildren. No one looked to the future of those tests.

It is why I brought it up. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the additional vaccinations, but to what was given to us in our generation that was passed down and corrupted the genes. I only hope that someday...someone will figure it out...and the reason I willingly provide them access to our DNA.

We had NO history of any Epilipesy in our family either. My premature infant did have petit mal seizures while her system came into normalcy...and the Neurologist and I disagreed at first...but he finally came around to my way of thinking on her. When her system was so "off" in its entirety to the outside world...it developed with the medications etc. and instead of coming up to normal...it went a bit over. The nervous system had to relieve itself and come back to normalcy...which it did and has.

Oh, and by the way...I always go back and read what I wrote...then correct it. LOL Guess it must be the journalist in me forever. LOL

 

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Yes it was. I remember my sister did a Psychology term paper on Autism in 1979 while a senior in Collage. She was the first to mention that maybe my son had the disorder. I was furious with her.:furious:

I guess I really need to set a few things straight. I have been a little voiceterous within this thread, and I'm sorry. I for one am not against vaccines. I think there are too many too soon in a child's developmental years. My only goal is to achieve awareness. .....

I can understand that - but if your sister was a senior in college when you first heard about the disease, unless there's a large gap, that suggests that it wasn't a known diagnosis when you were growing up - at that point in time when you didn't know of anyone with it (it's also a point in time when we were more apt to hide children with a disability, so any child with autism not only probably wouldn't be diagnosed with autism, they also would not be going to the same schools as you were). That was my only point - the fact that growing up you didn't know anyone with autism, and now you do - there are more reasons for that than an upsurge in autistic children.


I'm glad you aren't against vaccines. So far, I haven't seen anything to say they're a problem, but it wouldn't be the first time we've made a mistake on a drug. Still, the stats say that far more children are alive and healthy with vaccines than without. We know of some definite risks with vaccines, we might someday find others - but the diseases that were nearly eradicated thus far are hugely worse.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Since there has been a lot of talk about chicken pox and bad reactions, I wonder how many of you old timers also took aspirin during the time you had the Pox. That would certainly explain why it became life threatening. It has only been in the last 15 years that "Science" has found that to be a BAD combination.

 

[JBean]

DNA charts are very unpopular given the implications. I do think they should look at what we were given and now are affecting grandchildren. No one looked to the future of those tests.

It is why I brought it up. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the additional vaccinations, but to what was given to us in our generation that was passed down and corrupted the genes. I only hope that someday...someone will figure it out...and the reason I willingly provide them access to our DNA.

Oh, and by the way...I always go back and read what I wrote...then correct it. LOL Guess it must be the journalist in me forever. LOL

Oh I see what you mean about the DNA chart thanks for the explanation.
In the future is helpful if you denote additions to your posts as "ETA". Corrections are one thing, additional infomration and comments are another. I only mention it because when posters add a lot of additional information, it sometimes changes the flavor of the post. But if it is marked as edited, then everyone knows the score. Please do not take this the wrong way, it just can be frustrating when responding .
TIA

ETA: in re reading my own post I hope this is taken in the spirit in which it is given.

 

[pedinurse]

Since there has been a lot of talk about chicken pox and bad reactions, I wonder how many of you old timers also took aspirin during the time you had the Pox. That would certainly explain why it became life threatening. It has only been in the last 15 years that "Science" has found that to be a BAD combination.

Are you talking about Reye syndrome? That is related to taking asprin when you have an illness like chickenpox... that's why kids aren't supposed to take asprin.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I can understand that - but if your sister was a senior in college when you first heard about the disease, unless there's a large gap, that suggests that it wasn't a known diagnosis when you were growing up - at that point in time when you didn't know of anyone with it (it's also a point in time when we were more apt to hide children with a disability, so any child with autism not only probably wouldn't be diagnosed with autism, they also would not be going to the same schools as you were). That was my only point - the fact that growing up you didn't know anyone with autism, and now you do - there are more reasons for that than an upsurge in autistic children.


I'm glad you aren't against vaccines. So far, I haven't seen anything to say they're a problem, but it wouldn't be the first time we've made a mistake on a drug. Still, the stats say that far more children are alive and healthy with vaccines than without. We know of some definite risks with vaccines, we might someday find others - but the diseases that were nearly eradicated thus far are hugely worse.

When my sister was a senior in collage, I was a Freshman in HS. I didn't have my son until I was 26. In 1992 my son was born and it was around 1995ish he was formlly diagnosed.

Do what you think is best. I'll be there for you when you need me.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh I see what you mean about the DNA chart thanks for the explanation.
In the future is helpful if you denote additions to your posts as "ETA". Corrections are one thing, additional infomration and comments are another. I only mention it because when posters add a lot of additional information, it sometimes changes the flavor of the post. But if it is marked as edited, then everyone knows the score. Please do not take this the wrong way, it just can be frustrating when responding .
TIA

ETA: in re reading my own post I hope this is taken in the spirit in which it is given.

I will try to adhere, but can't promise it. LOL And, of course, I will take it in the spirit as which it is given.