Patsy and the 911 Call

[K777angel]

Patsy calling and inviting friends and her pastor over fit right in with the police's observation that morning that John and Patsy behaved more like a "death" had occured than a kidnapping. And Schiller, who had access to a LOT of police files stated that "there IS validity to that" statement.

If John and Patsy TRULY believed the contents of that note they would never have so quickly and without any counsel, ignored the threats and warnings and invited all these people over. Nor sent their young son out there unprotected and away from their watchful eye.

 

[duffy]

Is there a link for the 911 call?

ty Duffy

 

[Toltec]

A great performance indeed. Patsy knew that that her precious daughter was downstairs and didn't care about calling everyone over. The reason she hung up on the operator is because she could only perform so long...and she was starting to get scared of more questions the operator might ask.

 

[Deleted member 278]

PR: (inaudible) police.
911: (inaudible)
PR: 755 Fifteenth Street
911: What is going on there ma’am?
PR: We have a kidnapping...Hurry, please

This has always bothered me. "We have a kidnapping"? Not "Help, please! Our daughter is missing" or "Oh my God! Our daugher has been kidnapped!" It's police-like lingo: "We have a kidnapping." I don't buy it. Too theatrical, to say the least.

 

[Camper]

Who made the biggest mistake, Patsy for not reading ALL OF THE RANSOM NOTE before she called, John for not reading ALL of the Ransom Note, 911 Dispatcher for not asking for the exact words of the note.

Now then Patsy is calling 911, John is on all fours reading the note ON THE FLOOR, why did he not interrupt her call to 911 to explain to the 911 operator the nature of the note and being told in the NOTE TO NOT contact anyone or she would be dead. A CEO would want to do things by the book, by nature, wouldn't they ?, to MAKE A DEAL work out well (like duh, getting their daughter back).

It all reeks of PR OR JR or both of them, knowing the ENTIRE thing was in fact a performance.


:boohoo:

So, in conclusion, one of the Ramseys didit, then covered it up. The BIG question is which one!!



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[Cranberry]

Good point TLynn. You know Patsy didn't even mention to the 911 operator that the note warned not to call police, FBI etc. or they'd harm their daughter. In fact, the actions all morning show they both completely ignored ANY warning in the note. Bolstering the fact the note was fake and written by one of them of course.
But the other point to make, and that some authorities noted, is how much clarity Patsy had in the phone call to police. She had no trouble remembering her house address for instance - something parents often cannot do in this kind of crisis and trauma.
And I've always found it so curious that is was PATSY who made that phone call and not John. Mr. CEO. Mr. in control. She sounded awfully 'together' for what she claims she just found out in the note.

Also a similarity between the note and the 911 call is the omission of the victim's name.

 

[K777angel]

PR: (inaudible) police.
911: (inaudible)
PR: 755 Fifteenth Street
911: What is going on there ma’am?
PR: We have a kidnapping...Hurry, please

This has always bothered me. "We have a kidnapping"? Not "Help, please! Our daughter is missing" or "Oh my God! Our daugher has been kidnapped!" It's police-like lingo: "We have a kidnapping." I don't buy it. Too theatrical, to say the least.

Absolutely! "We have a kidnapping." How bizarre! Not, "Our daughter is missing! Help! Someone broke in and kidnapped her and left a ransom note!"

And the fact that she had perfect recall of her home address is suspect in itself according to experts who deal with these situations. Parents in that panicked state have extreme trouble remembering things like their address.
Also, parents who have just been informed that their child is DEAD - react with denial and disbelief, NOT resignation with no questions asked.
The Ramseys reactions to being "informed" of JonBenet's death were suspect to Det. Linda Arndt who has dealt with these situations before.
This cannot be overlooked.

 

[Shelayne]

You know, this was weird to me too until I had to call 911 in April. I found a friend of mine, in her house, unconcious, with her chest rattling (the death rattle), and I called 911. I am certainly glad no one played that tape back to hear my demeanor because the first things out of my mouth were,

"I am at this girl's house! We have a situation here! Oh my gosh..." The panic was welling in me as I talked and I finally got out that she was unconcious and wouldn't wake up. I even had brought a friend with me, who was telling me what to tell the operator, otherwise I cannot even imagine the unintelligible garbledy-gook that would have come out of my mouth.

So, having this as my experience--and I was scared as all get-out, I cannot see that Patsy's call was all that strange. Strange words and phrases came out of my mouth I tell you.

 

[duffy]

I think one person will act one way in an emergency and another, another.

I listened to the 911 phone call. It sounded very genuine to me. However, I still think p.r. did it.

 

[BlueCrab]

I listened to the 911 phone call. It sounded very genuine to me. However, I still think p.r. did it.

duffy,

IMO Patsy's 911 call was a performance. Stage performances are what she's good at; and is what helped her become Miss West Virginia in the Miss America Pageant.

There's more than enough evidence to prove the Ramseys were likely up long before they claim on the morning of the 26th, and they had found JonBenet's body, and they had re-staged it prior to calling 911. The endless stream of lies from John and Patsy, the selected amnesia, the refusals to be interviewed until four months after the murder, and the obfuscated responses to what questions they do answer, makes it clear the Ramseys are covering up to protect a family member.

Since they would coverup ONLY if a family member was involved, IMO the Ramseys know who killed JonBenet.

It's clear to me that Patsy's 911 call was a performance.

BlueCrab

 

[lawman]

just a slightly off topic question.

the palm print left by M R, was there any explanation for this.i.e did the person look at the wine cellar after arriving at the home, or was often at the home etc.

 

[duffy]

Because I think patsy did it I figure it must have been a performance. I only listened to it once, my first reaction was "Sounds believable to me" Maybe I'll go back and listen to it several times to see what I think then. Should have saved it to my puter.

One of the reasons John Doulglas doesn't think john ramsey was the murderer is because if a family member murders, they aren't the one who finds the body as j.r. did. I don't know if there are more reasons, I would imagine because he stuck his neck out pretty far for j.r.

I really appreciate the discussion back and forth though. Thanks!

 

[Rupert]

When I heard "Oh my god" on the tape, it reminded me of "Oh my god, what have I done?" But then again, it could mean "Oh my god, this is real, it is happening to us".
I don't have the money that would attract a kidnapper for ransom and so I have not imagined the possibility. John was getting rich and the $118K was a realistic potential transaction. So, why did they call the cops and all their friends? I find it hard to believe they would want to face all their friends knowing they were guilty. The RN was so brutal, so I thought they were merely reacting to the fear that this was not going to be good. Perhaps.

I don't know about those last 4 seconds. It's not real unless they produce the evidence. They have already made public announcements that there is something on the last 4 seconds. So, why can't they produce the evidence? That appears to be so unfair especially to Burk.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

So, why did they call the cops and all their friends? I find it hard to believe they would want to face all their friends knowing they were guilty. The RN was so brutal, so I thought they were merely reacting to the fear that this was not going to be good. Perhaps.

Your observations are IMO correct. The RN was oddly brutal, and its a good question to ask why would they themselves call the police and friends early knowing they were guilty.

RDI theories have a very serious fundamental problem. The problem is that the parents are both educated voters, and know what a capital crime is.

Why would the parents, who themselves called 911, have added to capital crime evidence that could easily be tied to them, by handwriting a ransom note? Why choose a weapon that leaves marks and then willingly leave the weapon at the scene? For this reason, RDI doesn't add up, and it never did.

 

[duffy]

It would seem to me if they viewed the rn as REAl, they wouldn't have phoned the police or friends as one of the demands in the note stated they not.

Seems to me calling the local police and several friends over, causing great confusion and muddling up the crime scene for a kidnapping is dumber than a fence post but smarter than heck if you just murdered your daughter.

As voting U.S. citizens the ramsey's certainly knew their rights as far as obtaining legal counsel didn't they?

$118,000 was the amount of bonus j.r. recieved for Christmas that year.

 

[Toltec]

Excellent observation Cranberry...not mentioning JonBenet's name.

If they truly were frightened at the thought of their daughter being beheaded...they would have informed the 911 operater of the threat to calling law enforcement.

SHE IS SAFE AND UNHARMED AND IF YOU WANT HER TO SEE 1997 YOU'LL FOLLOW OUT INSTRUCTIONS....

Well la de da....I guess that didn't get through to them.

 

[capps]

I tried to put myself in the situation of being an innocent person and receiving that ransom note.

It was around 5:52 am, when I read it,and it's stating not to contact anyone until you hear from the kidnappers some time between 8 and 10:00 am. Honestly ... right or wrong,I couldn't wait that long to contact the police. That's four precious hours wasted!!I probably would have looked around inside the house,which would have taken no more then 20 mnutes or so,because I would have been whipping around the house like there is no tomorrow! Once the police arrived,I would have asked if I could call some family or close friends,for moral support,and maybe have some one take Burke,to shield him from this situation.But I wouldn't have done this without the consent of the police.

It's a tough call,you don't know what's right or wrong ... it's always easy to say what you would do,in hind sight,and when you're actually not involved.

Like I said ... a very tough call. That's why I try to be lenient when judging what the Ramsey's did in their moment of hysteria.

 

[Zman]

When I first heard it, I got chills. It could've been believable...however, the problem I have is how fast they called 911.

The note said not to - there was no thinking about it - no, maybe we should call from the cell phone - no, maybe we should call the FBI - no, maybe, we're being watched and police can't show up here - no, maybe anything.

No conversation on what to do...Not ever John thinking about it on his own before stating call the police.

Not one - "Oh my God, what do we do?"

Which actually works to their favor.

Why call the police at 6:00am if you've given yourself till 10:00am?

 

[narlacat]

>>Why would the parents, who themselves called 911, have added to capital crime evidence that could easily be tied to them, by handwriting a ransom note? Why choose a weapon that leaves marks and then willingly leave the weapon at the scene? For this reason, RDI doesn't add up, and it never did.<<

Nothing adds up in the Ramsey case.
The Ram's were smart enough to manage to confuse the crime scene sufficiently enough so that there was just not enough evidence to indict them.

 

[duffy]

Capps, I have thought the same thing. If, as a parent I were innocent what would I do, knowing nothing more that what the ransom note told me.

I'm sure my first reaction would be a blood curdling scream to my husband, on my way to my daughters room to see if she was there. I believe I would have massacred the ransom note, completly forgetting about "evidence", seeing that my daughter was not in her room, it seems my next step would be to get my husband and begin a complete and thorough search inside and outside of the house with my phone in hand. "Operator, get me the FBI, this is an emergency"

I could be completely wrong and off-base and you're right it's easy to speculate what "I" would have done. I have given the ramsey's the benefit of the doubt and would absolutely be elated to be convinced that someone else did this. Just about everything the ramsey's have done since JonBenet's murder besides going to her funeral services has caused me to think they are guilty as sin.