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BayouBelle_LA said:
The mother wanted to take the child with her.
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Marco Rubio address this today on Meet the Press. The mother had a deportation order, she wanted to take the child with her. The child was not deported and no deportation hearing is warranted. The child was allowed to accompany her mother. The child's father could have come forward to seek her custody. He did not.

He brought up a great point. If we do not allow children that are US citizens to accompany their deported parents people would be more outraged. He also stated that the child can return to the US.

Moo... It's my belief, we should allow US children to leave with the parent, if they so wishes. Many of these children would be turned over to child protective services until a legal parent or appropriate guardian comes forward or remain a ward of the state until they turn 18. It may be parents and family members are all illegally in the country, and there is no one available that can legally take custody. That can be very traumatic for a two-year-old child.

The mother made the decision to take the child, I would have done the same. I'm not going to leave my 2-year-old child and go back to another country, nope, nope, oh heck nope! I don't know any others that would.

My opinion .... Smoke and mirrors by lawyers. What kind of hearing would you give a two yr. old child? The only thing I could think of is custody hearing. Any type of hearing awarded to the child would have no impact on the mother being deported. She was being deported with or without the child.

 
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Sillybilly said:
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Vern said:
What a choice!!

Unreal. Was Mom a criminal? Did she have her 14th Amendment Due Process? Apparently NOT. Perhaps you're able to link me to the laws that give authority to POTUS to:

- Ignore the Constitution;
- Make laws;
- Break Laws;
- Ignore Laws'; and/or
- Ignore that other Governerment Branchs' court rulings (ie: SCOTUS' most recent)??

I've asked a couple of times for someone/anyone to link me to the actual laws and/or Constitutional bits that allow for what is currently happening.

A few people posting that this is allowed by law, but I'm still not seeing any links to the actual source law or facts to back up the assertations. Just "IMOs".

I would think that would be pretty simple for someone to cite. I've looked and searched and cannot find it so I'm looking for help here to 'change my mind' based on some actual facts of law so that I can inform my opinion differently should the actual law allow for that.

IMO.
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What you are referring to is the United States Code Chapter 12. The United States Code is the law of the land. I've linked several of the Laws. It's best to read all of Chapter 12, as I included only a very few links to a very large chapter on immigration laws. There's a link at top of each page to the entire chapter and I would encourage anyone to read the entire chapter to get a full understanding. It's not something that you can take bits and pieces and get the full scope of the law. This is a series of complex laws and process.

There is also, a more reader friendly immigration manual from the Department of Justice. It's covers laws and the procedure in a more simplified verbage. I posted on this thread.





 
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HmmMysterious said:
But the girl's father was petitioning the courts to let his daughter stay in the U.S. He also tried talking to his wife, but ICE wouldn't let him. Their only meeting together lasted one minute and it wasn't helpful.
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Actually according to the article it was the law firm was petitioning on behalf of a person. I read he was an illegal immigrant, moo. I wonder if that is why he was unable to speak with the mother.

Some reasons I thought of that he may not have been able to speak to her..
If they were not married legally
If he had a deportation order, as well
Maybe the mother refused, I'd be worried if I thought someone was trying to keep my child.

I certainly hope this does not affect mothers who want to take their children to their home country, in future cases. The US has no legal obligation to provide passage to accompany a parent.

I'm wondering if attorneys thought a custody hearing would delay the mother's deportation. It would not have. I would hate to think of the state having custody of my child and trying to fight for custody from foreign country. This just don't make sense to me.

Moo ....
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

Moment cops arrest hundreds of illegal migrants at Colorado nightclub

Hundreds of illegal migrants were arrested early Sunday morning after cops raided a nightclub in Colorado Springs.
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A total of 114 illegal migrants were dramatically arrested after cops swooped in and busted a nightclub in Colorado in the early hours of the morning.
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Many of those detained were not in the country legally and taken into Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody. Drugs and weapons were also seized during the operation, the agency said.

Pink cocaine, also known as 'tusi,' was among the drugs found, Pullin said. At least a dozen small packages of drugs were found as investigators are testing them to identify the substances
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As part of the massive sweep, 275 people were arrested with final orders of removal, meaning a court has mandated that they leave the country already.

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Rafael Juarex Cabrera, a Guatemalan immigrant and alleged MS-13 member, was also caught. He had illegally reentered the US three times, officials said.

Russian immigrant Savva Klishchevskii was also detained for an Interpol Red Notice out of Russia for vehicular manslaughter.

Officials said Honduran Aron Isaak Morazan-Izaguirre was taken in. He is a suspected member of the 18th Street Gang and had illegally re-entered the US twice.
 
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Simply Southern said:
Marco Rubio address this today on Meet the Press. The mother had a deportation order, she wanted to take the child with her.
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You're basing this off a sus note that was written at the hotel the mother was held in.
Simply Southern said:
Marco Rubio address this today on Meet the Press. The mother had a deportation order, she wanted to take the child with her. The child was not deported and no deportation hearing is warranted. The child was allowed to accompany her mother.
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A federal judge disagrees with you. The girl was deported without any due process.
Simply Southern said:
The child's father could have come forward to seek her custody. He did not.
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He did seek custody.

The father of VML, who lives in the U.S., sought custody of VML after the mother was detained this week and asked that the girl be placed with a custodian who is “ready and willing” to care for her in the U.S., attorneys for the custodian wrote.
2-year-old U.S. citizen apparently deported 'with no meaningful process,' judge says
Simply Southern said:
The mother made the decision to take the child, I would have done the same. I'm not going to leave my 2-year-old child and go back to another country, nope, nope, oh heck nope! I don't know any others that would.
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I'm not sure she made this decision out of her own free will.

“During the approximate three days they held her with her children, cut off from family and counsel, ICE made her feel threatened and coerced into accepting the deportation under duress,” González said.
 
HmmMysterious said:
You're basing this off a sus note that was written at the hotel the mother was held in.

A federal judge disagrees with you. The girl was deported without any due process.

He did seek custody.

The father of VML, who lives in the U.S., sought custody of VML after the mother was detained this week and asked that the girl be placed with a custodian who is “ready and willing” to care for her in the U.S., attorneys for the custodian wrote.
2-year-old U.S. citizen apparently deported 'with no meaningful process,' judge says

I'm not sure she made this decision out of her own free will.

“During the approximate three days they held her with her children, cut off from family and counsel, ICE made her feel threatened and coerced into accepting the deportation under duress,” González said.
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Deportation is a quick process. A hearing has already taken place with or without the immigrants. An immigration judge, based on information provided, determines if federal law was violated. A deportation order is issued. Once a person is in ICE custody, the US will quickly within days deport. Certain crimes, under US federal law do not require that the immigrant be present during the hearing. (I posted a few post back, the federal law and the immigration manual)

The attorneys are asking for a custody hearing, after the mother and child had left the country. Had they requested prior to the child leaving the country, a US judge can make the determination to hold the child in the United States. The child will be held in State custody until the judge makes a determination for a legal guardian and a safe environment.
It will not, delay the deportation of the mother.

My opinion only, this was going to be an extensive custody trial. If the father's name is not on the birth certificate, paternity would need to be established. He would have to come into a hospital or somewhere for the paternity test. He is in the country illegally. I would think there. would be a 100% chance ICE would detain him and deport him during the process of establishing paternity.
Let's say his name is on the birth certificate, he would need to appear in court during a custody hearing. I don't believe a judge would give a child to a sister-in-law, on the signed statement from the father. They are questioning a statement from my mother. I would think an appearance would be required, a home visit by DSS to ensure safe environment.

This just doesn't make sense. Hopefully they can track down the mother and get a better statement.

I hope this does not impact mothers who want to take their children to the home country in the future. This could result in all children that are US citizens being held in the United States and not being released with their parents. We have no legal obligation to transport US citizens that wish to accompany a parent.

I think the media has embellished the story. I think the media has left out critical information, like why was the mother deported, and the lengthy process to declare paternity and custody buy another, the father, being an illegal immigrant, as well.

Marco Rubio, stated on Meet the Press, the father could have gone to the immigration center, and I would have released the child to him. He would not go, because he is at risk of deportation.

The bigger question, why didn't the father turn himself in and return with the mother of his children and his children. He chose to stay here.
Moo... And as a mother, I'm so glad she was able to take her 2 year old child.
 
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Some more detail on Cliona Ward...

Her family say Ward, who emigrated to the US when she was 12, was detained over minor offences from almost 20 years ago which they say have been expunged from her record.

She had six convictions including two felonies for possession of drugs and four misdemeanours for minor offences including "failure to notify DMV [Department of Motor Vehicles] of address change within 10 days”.

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In the meantime she is being held in a detention centre.

“She’s terrified, she’s distraught, she’s scared, she’s worried about her son,” Holladay told the Santa Cruz Sentinel.

“She’s just trying to hold it together.

““She’s afraid that she’s going to get lost in the system. That was the one thing she said to me: ‘Please don’t let me get lost.’”

She said her sister was a carer for her chronically ill son.

Ward was first stopped by customs officials in Seattle when she returned to the US after visiting her dying father in Ireland with her step-mother in March.

The officials brought up her six minor offences which stretch from 2003 to 2008 and detained her for two days. They released her after she told them her convictions been expunged and told her to get documentation and attend a meeting with customs officials in San Francisco last Monday.

However, when she turned up with the documents she was detained again and charged with moral turpitude.

Her sister said Ward, who has been sober for over 20 years, currently works at a non-profit Christian organisation teaching soil management and conservation to children.

“This has to do with a painful addiction and she did everything she could do to change that,” said Holladay. “She’s a viable, valuable part of this community.”

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Irish mum living legally in US for decades is detained by immigration agents

An Irish woman who has lived legally in the US for decades is being held in a detention facility in California over minor convictions from almost 20 years ago which her family say had been expunged from her record.
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The 2 year girl that I was talking about earlier, VML, is a U.S citizen and she wasn't a gang member lmfao. It's about time to accept Trump is badly mishandling the issue of immigration like he does with everything else.
 
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HmmMysterious said:
The 2 year girl that I was talking about earlier, VML, is a U.S citizen and she wasn't a gang member lmfao. It's about time to accept Trump is badly mishandling the issue of immigration like he does with everything else.
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I fostered two very young AMERICAN BORN children of illegal alien criminal Colombian drug dealers - both parents were in prison and the children were 3 states away for their own protection.
I had to fight to get them their documents and establish they were American citizens.
When mom was released from prison she was deported. She demanded her children be returned to her.
I had to put them on a plane to Colombia to be picked up by a nun and delivered to her. Nuns because it was such a dangerous trip and no one else would do it.
It was tragic because I didn’t speak Spanish and they learned to speak English perfectly but forgot Spanish - their mom would call from prison and could only speak Spanish - they would spend the whole call just saying “I love you” to each other.
It was 1995
I’m still not over it.

There is nothing new going on.

Our Laws are being enforced
 
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HmmMysterious said:
The 2 year girl that I was talking about earlier, VML, is a U.S citizen and she wasn't a gang member lmfao. It's about time to accept Trump is badly mishandling the issue of immigration like he does with everything else.
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Two year olds belong with their mothers
 
Linda7NJ said:
I fostered two very young AMERICAN BORN children of illegal alien criminal Colombian drug dealers - both parents were in prison and the children were 3 states away for their own protection.
I had to fight to get them their documents and establish they were American citizens.
When mom was released from prison she was deported. She demanded her children be returned to her.
I had to put them on a plane to Colombia to be picked up by a nun and delivered to her. Nuns because it was such a dangerous trip and no one else would do it.
It was tragic because I didn’t speak Spanish and they learned to speak English perfectly but forgot Spanish - their mom would call from prison and could only speak Spanish - they would spend the whole call just saying “I love you” to each other.
It was 1995
I’m still not over it.

There is nothing new going on.

Our Laws are being enforced
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Apples and oranges. VML's mother's lawyer says that the note demanding VML go with her mother was suspicious and seemed to be written out of duress.
Linda7NJ said:
Two year olds belong with their mothers
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We don't even know if the mother wanted this.
 
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Linda7NJ said:
I fostered two very young AMERICAN BORN children of illegal alien criminal Colombian drug dealers - both parents were in prison and the children were 3 states away for their own protection.
I had to fight to get them their documents and establish they were American citizens.
When mom was released from prison she was deported. She demanded her children be returned to her.
I had to put them on a plane to Colombia to be picked up by a nun and delivered to her. Nuns because it was such a dangerous trip and no one else would do it.
It was tragic because I didn’t speak Spanish and they learned to speak English perfectly but forgot Spanish - their mom would call from prison and could only speak Spanish - they would spend the whole call just saying “I love you” to each other.
It was 1995
I’m still not over it.

There is nothing new going on.

Our Laws are being enforced
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That had to be heartbreaking for you and the children. I admire you for taking the children into your loving care. I'm sure that was great risk to you and your family.
 
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HmmMysterious said:
Apples and oranges. VML's mother's lawyer says that the note demanding VML go with her mother was suspicious and seemed to be written out of duress.

We don't even know if the mother wanted this.
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It’s really none of our business.
You really think the mother wanted to leave her kid behind?
I don’t
 
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