People being detained and "exported" by ICE #2

[Linda7NJ]

I've never in my life thought I'd see Americans accepting and even approving of others being denied due process.

Even undocumented immigrants and gang members are entitled to due process (cf. Lakin Riley's killer).

No, they’re not.
You think we can afford to provide them all lawyers?
They broke the law, entered illegally and they can leave.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've never in my life thought I'd see Americans accepting and even approving of others being denied due process.

Even undocumented immigrants and gang members are entitled to due process (cf. Lakin Riley's killer).

Where’s AMERICAN CITIZENS DUE PROCESS?

No one voted to throw open our borders.

 

[SouthAussie]

No, they’re not.
You think we can afford to provide them all lawyers?
They broke the law, entered illegally and they can leave.

Of course they are all entitled to due process. How the heck do you even KNOW for sure they are a gang member if that is not proven in a court of law?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio: 'Of course' all people in the U.S. are entitled to due process


A US judge has already thrown out a case and allowed people to stay because of the govt's non-existent evidence.

Judge eviscerates government evidence, releases migrants accused of being TdA

abcnews.go.com

 

[303gmf]

Where’s AMERICAN CITIZENS DUE PROCESS?

No one voted to throw open our borders.

I have it as an American, as you do you and yours hopefully, this regime of tech bro trillions of dystopia creeps vs Seven Mountain Dominionism strange bedfellows…who knows who will be on or off the list of the week?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Of course they are all entitled to due process. How the heck do you even KNOW for sure they are a gang member if that is not proven in a court of law?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio: 'Of course' all people in the U.S. are entitled to due process


A US judge has already thrown out a case and allowed people to stay because of the govt's non-existent evidence.

Judge eviscerates government evidence, releases migrants accused of being TdA

abcnews.go.com

I don’t care.

ALL Illegal aliens should self deport.

Come the legal way, or don’t come at all.

IMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

No, they’re not.
You think we can afford to provide them all lawyers?
They broke the law, entered illegally and they can leave.

Take it up with the Constitution, not me. From the link below:

The Fifth Amendment states that “no person … shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

The issue of due process is at the heart of many immigration cases, including Reno v. Flores, the 1993 Supreme Court case that has returned to the spotlight with the surge in family separations. The case led to an agreement requiring the government to release children to their parents, a relative or a licensed program within 20 days.

In the ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote “it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings.”

What constitutional rights do undocumented immigrants have?

The administration’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy and the recent surge in family separations at the border -- a practice President Donald Trump ended through executive order -- has called attention to the legal rights of immigrants under U.S. law.

www.pbs.org

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Where’s AMERICAN CITIZENS DUE PROCESS?

No one voted to throw open our borders.

Straw man argument.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don’t care.

ALL Illegal aliens should self deport.

Come the legal way, or don’t come at all.

IMO

Well, that is a different matter. Your care factor.

They are still entitled to due process, as per my previous links.

 

[Summerliz03]

Our border aren’t “open” (and they weren’t under Biden either, no matter how many times Trump says they were)

How Joe Biden and Donald Trump's border policies compare - BBC News

President Biden promised a more humane approach but his border policy has been sharply criticised too.

www.bbc.com

Biden actually deported more people than Trump did in his first term.

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record - BBC News

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

Trump promised “the biggest deportation in US history” as one of his campaign promises but he’s still behind the goal numbers they have, mainly because his “fast track” policy is running into so many legal speed bumps - because judges and courts are ruling it unconstitutional.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/01/immigrant-removals-deportations-trump

All MOO.

 

[HmmMysterious]

I don’t care.

ALL Illegal aliens should self deport.

Come the legal way, or don’t come at all.

IMO

"The legal way" aka taking years and years for that to even process. And Trump is going after LEGAL migrants too.

Trump revokes legal status for 530,000 immigrants in the US

 

[Summerliz03]

If we actually mass deported everyone who is here illegally, it would cause a pretty terrible economic downturn. Many industries, such as construction, would basically all but collapse.

Deporting millions of immigrants would shock the US economy, increasing housing, food and other prices

While immigrants without legal authorization make up about 5% of the U.S. workforce, these workers are concentrated in particular industries, including agriculture.

theconversation.com

Trump’s mass deportation plan would be ‘economic disaster’ for US

Loss of migrant workers would trigger productivity losses and a new round of inflationary pricing pressure

www.theguardian.com

https://www.barrons.com/articles/trumps-immigration-crackdown-could-play-havoc-with-the-economy-f4c41411

Trump has also asked for $175B from Congress in the new budget to handle the increased deportations over the next 4 years. ETA: that’s 22 times ICEs annual budget. Who is paying for this? The American taxpayer.

Trump administration seeks to turn mass deportations into an efficient business ‘like Amazon’

If President Donald Trump’s administration has its way, the capacity to hold tens of thousands more migrants will soon be added around the country as the U.S. seeks an explosive expansion of what is already the world’s largest immigration detention system.

www.pbs.org

All MOO

 

[Vern]

No, they’re not.
You think we can afford to provide them all lawyers?
They broke the law, entered illegally and they can leave.

Yes they are entitled to Due Process IAW US Law and the 14thAmendment to the US Constitution that SCOTUS ruled years ago was applicable "to all people regardless of citizenship".

People who believe that the 14th should be overturned or that POTUS can ignore it and SCOTUS rulings, should seek out their own due process and have their elected officials work towards getting a Constitutional Ammendement drafted and passed. That's the process.

Until such time, the Constitution's 14th Ammendment is still applicable to those currently being exported, without charge, without due process, and without having commited any crimes.

^^^ That's the legal way. So perhaps Trump should do it the legal way or don't do it at all?

Congress' Source

 

[otto]

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Every country has immigration law as well as special circumstances for refugees. What is happening in the USA, where people are rounded up, put on a bus, put on a plane, sent to a brutal prison and forgotten, is unheard-of in developed countries.

 

[Lilibet]

Eyeroll.
I’m proud & happy to be white.
I’m long past tired of other people thinking I should feel bad about it.
I dont.
I never will.

All IMO

When I said “white privilege” I don’t mean anyone should feel badly about being white. It simply means that as white people, we have historically had opportunities that non-whites haven’t had…for education, jobs, housing, equal treatment under the law, etc. That is undeniable unless one ignores history. And that is all that the expression “white privilege” means. Unfortunately, some have decided that it is an insult to white people. It’s not. It is simply stating a fact.

I am not “proud” to be white. It’s merely an accident of birth. Why would I be “proud” to be a particular color? “All men are created equal.” But I am “happy” to be white because I haven’t had to fight for the rights guaranteed by the constitution, as people of color have had to. But I feel badly that they have been denied what has come easily to me. That is why I was involved in the civil rights movement in the 1960s. And it is why I am currently very aware that the outrage against immigrants from “brown” countries who may or may not be here illegally would not be present toward white immigrants here legally or illegally.

JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

<mod note: Referenced posts were removed>

Every country has immigration law as well as special circumstances for refugees. What is happening in the USA, where people are rounded up, put on a bus, put on a plane, sent to a brutal prison and forgotten, is unheard-of in developed countries.

The United States is not the only country that does this. moo

 

[keek]

The United States is not the only country that does this. moo

That's a statement that needs to be really thought about. Especially since it is only since the current admin. IMO

 

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[BeginnerSleuther]

No, they’re not.
You think we can afford to provide them all lawyers?
They broke the law, entered illegally and they can leave.

Nine judges on the Supreme Court of the United States disagree with you.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Where’s AMERICAN CITIZENS DUE PROCESS?

No one voted to throw open our borders.

In which hearing/court case did an American citizen not get due process?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I don’t care.

ALL Illegal aliens should self deport.

Come the legal way, or don’t come at all.

IMO

Sounds great in theory, except those here legally are also being deported.