"personal hygeine" of JB

[Ames]

Solace,

All the evidence suggests she did just that. Someone sexually assaulted JonBenet, then cleaned her up and hid it from public view.

Patsy, John and Burke all colluded postmortem, and some of their accounts conflict with each other.

Patsy's own words tell you she must have known about the prior abuse, she publicly defended John against allegations of molesting JonBenet, she became amnesic following JonBenet's death.

Its an open and shut case, pity there is no trial, it would be the trial of the century!


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Boy, ain't THAT the truth. I would take time off from work, just to watch it on Court TV!!!!!

 

[DeeDee249]

I think she was wiped down right after the sexual assault. BEFORE she was redressed. BEFORE the urine release. It must be at least considered that she wiped down while still alive, though probably unconscious.
The sexual assault occurs first.
JBR was either naked from the waist down or had her panties and long johns pulled down for the sexual assault and wiping. Somewhere during this assault she screamed and was bashed on the head to silence her quickly.
That rendered her immediately unconscious and on the irreversible path to death.
Seeing there was no turning back at this point- the Rs now have a dead/dying child who may have been bleeding at this point from the vagina even before the paintbrush stab.
To cover this up, and without thinking about an autopsy and what it may reveal, they wipe her down, put clean panties and long johns. She voids her bladder upon death, but the small drops of blood that oozed into the new panties are not seen, because they do not undress her again, and the blood is not enough to show up on the long johns.
The Rs decide to leave her in the wet clothes, but they are now in a state of panic as to how to explain the death. There is no visible head wound. The fracture cannot be seen. They think she is dead (she may or may not have been at that point), and need to SHOW a method of death.
So they scramble to devise a makeshift (and non-operational) garrotte with materials at hand- the paint brush, cord and tape, all from PR's paint tote RIGHT THERE in the basement.
But though they pull it tight, unbeknownst to them the autopsy will show that it was not tight enough to damage the internal structures of the neck nor break the hyoid bone. By itself, it may not have even been enough to kill her. But they don't know that, nor do they know the extent of the skull fracture that will show up at autopsy. They also use the paintbrush handle to hide the sexual abuse.
Buy this time, the urine has dried enough not to wet the white blanket, which they took from the basement dryer (where it was always laundered every time she wet the bed). They wrap her, and place her in the wineceller, where the bits of fake greenery get into her hair, since that room was used to store artificial Christmas trees.
Then, they write the note, and anal-retentive PR REPLACES the pad and sharpie, NEVER thinking the ink would be tested or the paper would be traced back to the pad, and in their panic, never think about the practice note, since it says nothing incriminating and they never think about the handwriting matching it, as PR writes the note hurriedly and possible with her non-dominant hand. They possibly don't think about the house being searched. They never think the pad, practice note, sharpie will be taken into evidence along with the RN.
Then they make the 911 call- and it's showtime!
IMHO, if there had been VISIBLE head injury, (which would explain why she died) the garrotte would never have been made. They could have just as easily blamed the head bash alone on an intruder than to stage that strangulation. They'd still have wiped the flashlight and batteries down and said it wasn't theirs. Nothing would be different from the way it happened except there'd be no garotte, nor speculation about the cord and tape.

 

[Ames]

I think she was wiped down right after the sexual assault OR the coverup of the assault (with the paint brush). BEFORE she was redressed. BEFORE the urine release. It must be at least considered that she wiped dowm while still alive, tough probably unconscious.
The sexual assalut occurs first.
JBR was either naked from the waist down or had her panties and long johns pulled down for the sexual assault and wiping.
Then they she was redressed with the clean panties and her long johns. Somewhere during this assault she screamed and was bashed on the head to silence her quickly.
That rendered her immediately unconscious and on the irreversible path to death.
Seeing there was no turning back at this point- the Rs now have a dead/dying child who may have been bleeding at this point from the vagina even before the paintbrush stab.
To cover this up, and without thinking about an autopsy and what it may reveal, they wipe her down, put clean panties and long johns. She voids her bladder upon death, but the small drops of blood that oozed into the new panties is not seen, because they do not undress her again, and the blood is not enough to show up on the long johns.
The Rs decide to leave her in the wet clothes, but they are now in a state of panic as to how to explain the death. There is no visible head wound. The fracture cannot be seen. They think she is dead (she may or may not have been at that point), and need to SHOW a method of death.
So they scramble to devise a makeshift (and non-operational) garrotte with materials at hand- the paint brush, cord and tape, all from PR's paint tote RIGHT THERE in the basement.
But though they pull it tight, unbeknownst to them the autopsy will show that it was not tight enough to damage the internal structures of the neck nor break the hyoid bone. By itself, it may not have even been enough to kill her. But they don't know that, nor do they know the extent of the skull fracture that will show up at autopsy. They also use the paintbrush handle to hide the sexual abuse.
Buy this time, the urine has dried enough not to wet the white blanket, which they took from the basement dryer (where it was always laundered every time she wet the bed). They wrap her, and place her in the wineceller, where the bits of fake greenery get into her hair, since that room was used to store artificial Christmas trees.
Then, they write the note, and anal-retentive PR REPLACES the pad and sharpie, NEVER thinking the ink would be tested or the paper would be traced back to the pad, and in their panic, never think about the practice note, since it says nothing incriminating and they never think about the handwriting matching it, as PR writes the note hurriedly and possible with her non-dominant hand.
Then they make the 911 call- and it's showtime!
IMHO, if there had been VISIBLE head injury, (which would explain why she died) the garrotte would never have been made. They could have just as easily blamed the head bash alone on an intruder than to stage that strangulation. They'd still have wiped the flashlight and batteries down and said it wasn't theirs. Nothing would be different from the way it happened except there'd be no garotte, nor speculation about the cord and tape.

I am quite sure that Patsy replacing the pad and replacing the cap back on the Sharpie, and then replacing it back in its holder...was done out of habit.

You may be onto something ....about the garotte being used as a visible sign of an injury. I am still on the fence about the molestation though.

 

[UKGuy]

Seeing there was no turning back at this point- the Rs now have a dead/dying child who may have been bleeding at this point from the vagina even before the paintbrush stab..

DeeDee249,

JonBenet would have been bleeding from her nose and/or mouth, possibly having had a seizure, and also be bleeding from her vagina?

How would you explain the presence of the birefringement material discovered inside JonBenet and that you consider she was not undressed after her initial wipe down?


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[JMO8778]

I think she was wiped down right after the sexual assault. BEFORE she was redressed. BEFORE the urine release. It must be at least considered that she wiped down while still alive, though probably unconscious.
The sexual assault occurs first.
JBR was either naked from the waist down or had her panties and long johns pulled down for the sexual assault and wiping. Somewhere during this assault she screamed and was bashed on the head to silence her quickly.
That rendered her immediately unconscious and on the irreversible path to death.
Seeing there was no turning back at this point- the Rs now have a dead/dying child who may have been bleeding at this point from the vagina even before the paintbrush stab.
To cover this up, and without thinking about an autopsy and what it may reveal, they wipe her down, put clean panties and long johns. She voids her bladder upon death, but the small drops of blood that oozed into the new panties are not seen, because they do not undress her again, and the blood is not enough to show up on the long johns.
The Rs decide to leave her in the wet clothes, but they are now in a state of panic as to how to explain the death. There is no visible head wound. The fracture cannot be seen. They think she is dead (she may or may not have been at that point), and need to SHOW a method of death.
So they scramble to devise a makeshift (and non-operational) garrotte with materials at hand- the paint brush, cord and tape, all from PR's paint tote RIGHT THERE in the basement.
But though they pull it tight, unbeknownst to them the autopsy will show that it was not tight enough to damage the internal structures of the neck nor break the hyoid bone. By itself, it may not have even been enough to kill her. But they don't know that, nor do they know the extent of the skull fracture that will show up at autopsy. They also use the paintbrush handle to hide the sexual abuse.
Buy this time, the urine has dried enough not to wet the white blanket, which they took from the basement dryer (where it was always laundered every time she wet the bed). They wrap her, and place her in the wineceller, where the bits of fake greenery get into her hair, since that room was used to store artificial Christmas trees.
Then, they write the note, and anal-retentive PR REPLACES the pad and sharpie, NEVER thinking the ink would be tested or the paper would be traced back to the pad, and in their panic, never think about the practice note, since it says nothing incriminating and they never think about the handwriting matching it, as PR writes the note hurriedly and possible with her non-dominant hand. They possibly don't think about the house being searched. They never think the pad, practice note, sharpie will be taken into evidence along with the RN.
Then they make the 911 call- and it's showtime!
IMHO, if there had been VISIBLE head injury, (which would explain why she died) the garrotte would never have been made. They could have just as easily blamed the head bash alone on an intruder than to stage that strangulation. They'd still have wiped the flashlight and batteries down and said it wasn't theirs. Nothing would be different from the way it happened except there'd be no garotte, nor speculation about the cord and tape.

only thing I would add is that she was manually strangled,and I think that occurred first,as an attempt to silence and or render her unconcious,possibly in prep. for delivering the head blow.If a decision had been made to do away with her at that point,then I think the perp (either PR or JR) wanted her unconcious first,and was possibly trying to hit on the vagus nerve going thru the neck to do it.(and perhaps she did pass out first).would JR have had that kind of knowledge from reading Mindhunter? Of course he had other books,I was JW if that is in it.

 

[JMO8778]

I think she was wiped down right after the sexual assault. BEFORE she was redressed. BEFORE the urine release. It must be at least considered that she wiped down while still alive, though probably unconscious.
The sexual assault occurs first.
JBR was either naked from the waist down or had her panties and long johns pulled down for the sexual assault and wiping. Somewhere during this assault she screamed and was bashed on the head to silence her quickly.
That rendered her immediately unconscious and on the irreversible path to death.
Seeing there was no turning back at this point- the Rs now have a dead/dying child who may have been bleeding at this point from the vagina even before the paintbrush stab.
To cover this up, and without thinking about an autopsy and what it may reveal, they wipe her down, put clean panties and long johns. She voids her bladder upon death, but the small drops of blood that oozed into the new panties are not seen, because they do not undress her again, and the blood is not enough to show up on the long johns.
The Rs decide to leave her in the wet clothes, but they are now in a state of panic as to how to explain the death. There is no visible head wound. The fracture cannot be seen. They think she is dead (she may or may not have been at that point), and need to SHOW a method of death.
So they scramble to devise a makeshift (and non-operational) garrotte with materials at hand- the paint brush, cord and tape, all from PR's paint tote RIGHT THERE in the basement.
But though they pull it tight, unbeknownst to them the autopsy will show that it was not tight enough to damage the internal structures of the neck nor break the hyoid bone. By itself, it may not have even been enough to kill her. But they don't know that, nor do they know the extent of the skull fracture that will show up at autopsy. They also use the paintbrush handle to hide the sexual abuse.
Buy this time, the urine has dried enough not to wet the white blanket, which they took from the basement dryer (where it was always laundered every time she wet the bed). They wrap her, and place her in the wineceller, where the bits of fake greenery get into her hair, since that room was used to store artificial Christmas trees.
Then, they write the note, and anal-retentive PR REPLACES the pad and sharpie, NEVER thinking the ink would be tested or the paper would be traced back to the pad, and in their panic, never think about the practice note, since it says nothing incriminating and they never think about the handwriting matching it, as PR writes the note hurriedly and possible with her non-dominant hand. They possibly don't think about the house being searched. They never think the pad, practice note, sharpie will be taken into evidence along with the RN.
Then they make the 911 call- and it's showtime!
IMHO, if there had been VISIBLE head injury, (which would explain why she died) the garrotte would never have been made. They could have just as easily blamed the head bash alone on an intruder than to stage that strangulation. They'd still have wiped the flashlight and batteries down and said it wasn't theirs. Nothing would be different from the way it happened except there'd be no garotte, nor speculation about the cord and tape.

only thing I would add is that she was manually strangled,and I think that occurred first,as an attempt to silence / render her unconcious,possibly in prep. for delivering the head blow.If a decision had been made to do away with her at that point,then I think the perp (either PR or JR) wanted her unconcious first,and was possibly trying to hit on the vagus nerve going thru the neck to do it.(and perhaps she did pass out first).would JR have had that kind of knowledge from reading Mindhunter? Of course he had other books,I was JW if that is in it.

another thought that comes to mind is that if she was struck upon the head first,then perhaps she started seizuring,and that being difficult to watch,she was manually strangled to cut off all O2 so she would stop seizuring and die sooner.
While ST's theory may be right, Mark Fuhrman's 'it was no accident,it was quite intentional' comment bothers me and causes me to think further,along with JR's fiber evidence and the scream heard.I have to wonder if Patsy or JB screamed in JB's bedroom or bathroom,could that be heard way across the st? Unless there was a window open (unlikely that time of yr),I don't see how anything could be heard way across the st like that.Remember the basement had that pipe leading outside,so anything coming from there could be heard more easily.

 

[BOESP]

Solace,

All the evidence suggests she did just that. Someone sexually assaulted JonBenet, then cleaned her up and hid it from public view.

Patsy, John and Burke all colluded postmortem, and some of their accounts conflict with each other.

Patsy's own words tell you she must have known about the prior abuse, she publicly defended John against allegations of molesting JonBenet, she became amnesic following JonBenet's death.

Its an open and shut case, pity there is no trial, it would be the trial of the century!

Account's I've read from experts variously report possible abuse to none suspected. I think, based on information available to the public, all that can safely be said is there was vaginal trauma of a chronic nature with incidence of an acute pre- or peri-mortem minor trauma. Some experts said it could be consistent with digital penetration, others said not so.

Any act of a pedophile for sexual gratification would have left no doubt among the experts. There would have been gross trauma.

I think a wash cloth wrapped around the finger used to clean the vaginal vault or a douche syringe/tip would produce the type trauma described in the autopsy and be consistent with digital penetration. As you said, Patsy would have known about this but it is unlikely, in my opinion, she would have considered it sexual abuse.

I can only guess, but I suspect one of the above two events is what Steve Thomas meant by "corporal cleansing."

 

[BOESP]

DeeDee249,

JonBenet would have been bleeding from her nose and/or mouth, possibly having had a seizure, and also be bleeding from her vagina?

How would you explain the presence of the birefringement material discovered inside JonBenet and that you consider she was not undressed after her initial wipe down?
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Talcum powder, Desitin ointment, some douche foams, chips from nail polish, and other ideas come to my mind about how birefringent material could be inside JonBenet.

If JonBenet's panties were down around her ankles and she was in an upright or semi-upright position, perhaps bending over, when her head was injured, blood could have dripped onto the panties or other body parts.

I'm going to be bold - there really isn't any evidence indicating this death was generated from a sexual assault gone wrong either by a pedophile or through incestuous means. I just don't see that happening in this case.

 

[Solace]

Talcum powder, Desitin ointment, some douche foams, chips from nail polish, and other ideas come to my mind about how birefringent material could be inside JonBenet.

If JonBenet's panties were down around her ankles and she was in an upright or semi-upright position, perhaps bending over, when her head was injured, blood could have dripped onto the panties or other body parts.

I'm going to be bold - there really isn't any evidence indicating this death was generated from a sexual assault gone wrong either by a pedophile or through incestuous means. I just don't see that happening in this case.

Hi there,

I agree. I know there are those who believe it to be true, many on this Board. I just don't see it. I have read Wecht's book and I think he is totally off base. But he explains everything very well, But he also thought there was no blood from the head wound, or very little, a few teaspooons, and the way I see the autopsy report, there was bleeding in three different areas. So there was more than 3 teaspoons. I disagree with that also. I do think there was abuse going on in the form of humiliation about cleaning and JB wetting her underwear and her bead. There was fighting about it.

I just don't see sexual molestation.

 

[BOESP]

Hi there,

I agree. I know there are those who believe it to be true, many on this Board. I just don't see it. I have read Wecht's book and I think he is totally off base. But he explains everything very well, But he also thought there was no blood from the head wound, or very little, a few teaspooons, and the way I see the autopsy report, there was bleeding in three different areas. So there was more than 3 teaspoons. I disagree with that also. I do think there was abuse going on in the form of humiliation about cleaning and JB wetting her underwear and her bead. There was fighting about it.

I just don't see sexual molestation.

Hi Sol,

It's true the autopsy did not describe an externally lacerated scalp but, as you said, there was clearly interior bleeding from back to front all along the fracture line(s). Bodily fluids from self-contained wounds like that would flow out the nearest orifice if there were an orifice connected to the chamber containing the injury. This is just my speculation but around the eye sockets and down the nasal cavity would be my best guess on where blood would drain from a head wound like JonBenet's. Of course, the ears, nose, and throat are closely connected so I suppose mucous in those areas could also show some blood evidence.

I'm not so sure any "clean-up" was to hide anything but perhaps just more of a part of the process of what happened.

The evidence does, as you say, indicate abuse by humiliation.

 

[UKGuy]

Account's I've read from experts variously report possible abuse to none suspected. I think, based on information available to the public, all that can safely be said is there was vaginal trauma of a chronic nature with incidence of an acute pre- or peri-mortem minor trauma. Some experts said it could be consistent with digital penetration, others said not so.

Any act of a pedophile for sexual gratification would have left no doubt among the experts. There would have been gross trauma.

I think a wash cloth wrapped around the finger used to clean the vaginal vault or a douche syringe/tip would produce the type trauma described in the autopsy and be consistent with digital penetration. As you said, Patsy would have known about this but it is unlikely, in my opinion, she would have considered it sexual abuse.

I can only guess, but I suspect one of the above two events is what Steve Thomas meant by "corporal cleansing."

BOESP,
You are entitled to interpret the evidence in whatever manner you wish, but your interpretation, valid or not, is no substitute for the professional opinion of the pathologist based on empirical evidence.

Vaginal trauma is a descriptive term alluding to neutrality, yet Coroner Meyer was explicit in his estimation of JonBenet's injuries e.g.

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury consistent with digital penetration of her vagina.

Here he opines that some person inserted their finger inside JonBenet.

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that is was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.

Here he opines that a sexual assault had taken place.

This is distinct from staging which is consistent with the former.

Any act of a pedophile for sexual gratification would have left no doubt among the experts. There would have been gross trauma.

There was gross trauma, JonBenet was left bleeding from her vagina, can you imagine her pain?

I think a wash cloth wrapped around the finger used to clean the vaginal vault or a douche syringe/tip would produce the type trauma described in the autopsy and be consistent with digital penetration. As you said, Patsy would have known about this but it is unlikely, in my opinion, she would have considered it sexual abuse.

Why then was there no fibers left from the wash cloth?

I can only guess, but I suspect one of the above two events is what Steve Thomas meant by "corporal cleansing."

Steve Thomas is simply being disingenuous in his book I reckon he would now discount this corporal punishment theory, it is also in conflict with the forensic evidence.

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[UKGuy]

Talcum powder, Desitin ointment, some douche foams, chips from nail polish, and other ideas come to my mind about how birefringent material could be inside JonBenet.

If JonBenet's panties were down around her ankles and she was in an upright or semi-upright position, perhaps bending over, when her head was injured, blood could have dripped onto the panties or other body parts.

I'm going to be bold - there really isn't any evidence indicating this death was generated from a sexual assault gone wrong either by a pedophile or through incestuous means. I just don't see that happening in this case.

BOESP,

Talcum powder, Desitin ointment, some douche foams, chips from nail polish, and other ideas come to my mind about how birefringent material could be inside JonBenet.

These examples do not address the import of my question, rather they offer alternatives to my theory, and support the corporal punishment theory.

The BPD will know precisely, as will Steve Thomas exactly what the birefringement material discovered inside JonBenet matches, since it is essentially an exact science, each material has a refractive index, think polaroid sunglasses, so if your theory is correct the refractive index will match one of the items listed in your summary.

For those not convinced or those who minored in physics etc, here is a good definition of Birefringent :

Birefringent materials will divide an entering beam of light into two beams having opposite polarization. The beams will propagate in different directions and have different propagation speeds called the ordinary and extraordinary rays. The extraordinary ray violates Snell's Law and the Law of Reflection and is not confined to the plane of incidence, and its velocity changes with direction. The index of refraction for the ordinary ray, however, is constant and dependent upon direction. In an optical (001) cut, the difference between the ordinary and the extraordinary ray is a minimum. 90° X or Y cuts can be used as retardation plates or waveplates which convert polarization from linear to circular or elliptical. In an optical polarization rotator, the state of polarization is dependent upon the thickness and wavelength.

For those less interested in physics Snell's law describes the standard refractive index, so given that Coroner Meyer described the evidence as birefringent indicates he knew what it was, but was not identifying it, which is consistent with him minimising a public release of information via the autopsy?

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[pan05]

I was under the impression that JB had splinters inside her.
Also the urine could have been from the stranglulation, or the share fright of being sexually assaulted, children who are scared generally let go of their bladders, also involuntary emptying of her bladder most probably would accure when she was being strangled.

 

[JMO8778]

For those not convinced or those who minored in physics etc, here is a good definition of Birefringent :

For those less interested in physics Snell's law describes the standard refractive index, so given that Coroner Meyer described the evidence as birefringent indicates he knew what it was, but was not identifying it, which is consistent with him minimising a public release of information via the autopsy?

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good Lord UK,that makes it sound like it was glass?? I mean refractive..a splinter could not reflect.

 

[BOESP]

Responses below in blue:

BOESP,
You are entitled to interpret the evidence in whatever manner you wish, but your interpretation, valid or not, is no substitute for the professional opinion of the pathologist based on empirical evidence.

I didn't discount anyone's professional opinion. I said the experts disagreed, which they did.

Vaginal trauma is a descriptive term alluding to neutrality, yet Coroner Meyer was explicit in his estimation of JonBenet's injuries e.g.

Here he opines that some person inserted their finger inside JonBenet.

I didn't discount that. Please re-read what I said.

Here he opines that a sexual assault had taken place.
I see assault and assault-for-gratification as distinctly different acts. Corporal cleansing as intended in this case would be an assault on a sexual area of the body but not necessarily for sexual gratification. Pedophiles seeking sexual gratification would have done significantly more damage.


This is distinct from staging which is consistent with the former.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying.


There was gross trauma, JonBenet was left bleeding from her vagina, can you imagine her pain?

I didn't read anything that said "gross trauma." What I read stated there was a small amount of watery red fluid that might be consistent with blood (my paraphrasing).

Why then was there no fibers left from the wash cloth?

Mention was made of numerous fibers being found on JonBenet's vaginal area and upper thighs. Admittedly, I don't have enough information to say a washcloth was even used, but something left fibers on JonBenet. It isn't a big step to imagine using an inserted finger for cleansing. I used the terminology "wash cloth" only as an example and until a report on all the fibers sourced from the autopsy is made public, I can't say what was found as to fibers.

Steve Thomas is simply being disingenuous in his book I reckon he would now discount this corporal punishment theory, it is also in conflict with the forensic evidence.

I don't agree Thomas's theory as stated in his book is in conflict with the current forensic evidence unless you have access to such evidence that hasn't been made public. I also can't accept you speaking for Mr. Thomas unless you want to quote him directly saying he's changed his mind.

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[JMO8778]

BOESP,





Steve Thomas is simply being disingenuous in his book I reckon he would now discount this corporal punishment theory, it is also in conflict with the forensic evidence.

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I really don't think he does.I really think he meant what he said.And according to the last statement he released,he hasn't changed his mind,so that would mean he took JR's fiber evidence into consideration,but still believes he was only in on the coverup,albeit it was sooner than he thought though.
I didn't take it as there was anything misleading in his theory.he did leave out the large underwear in his breakdown of events though.
And if you've read PMPT,he believes for sure that Patsy did it.
I don't discount his theory,perhaps it's like everything else..he took the evidence into consideration,and narrowed it down till he arrived at a conclusion...some might think JAR did it..as he was 'seen' in the yard that day,and the contents of the suitcase might lend credence to that...but then there's Santa Bill and coincidences there...but of course they didn't kill her...it was all narrowed down and they were eliminated..which is what Thomas did,and he arrived at the conclusion that Patsy did it,and why.

 

[DeeDee249]

The birifringent material could have been talc (from latex gloves) or from the paintbrush- while wood isn't refractive, the paint on the brush may be, and I think I recall it mentioned that there was "glistening varnish" on the piece that the garrotte was made with . I agree that Coroner Mayer did know what the birefringent material was. And that it was kept from public knowledge despite a judge ordering the autopsy to be released to the public in full. I am one of the ones who believe the DA's office solved this crime long ago and has simply, for several reasons, never proceeded in the direction of arresting the murderer(s).

 

[azwriter]

This is what I think....I believe that he wrote a version out for her, and that while he was down in the basement, putting the finishing touching on the staging....she was ADDING her 2 or 3 cent in. I believe that they both were probably running short on time...and that when he saw the almost three page RN that Patsy had added to, there was not much he could do about it. I think that he probably said to her..."PATSY!! Good grief....what were you THINKING? This thing is almost three pages long, but we don't have time to re-do it, so it will just have to do". I am wondering if he knew that she was adding anything to it, at all. I used to think that they got together on it, he wrote a version, she wrote a version and they merged them together into one. BUT...now that I think about it, I don't believe that he would risk her putting in her two cent, without him being there looking over her shoulder to make sure that she didn't say the wrong thing....she probably did that without his knowledge, while he was finishing up the staging, and as I said...he probably got a little ticked off at her, when he realized that she had added ANYTHING to it, much less...almost three pages worth.

I am feeling better now that my morning sickness has gone. Thank you so much for asking!!!!!!

Glad you're doing better.
Now about that ransom letter. Remember it was written for LE officials eyes only. Patsy and John needed to give LE some clues. The idea was to put this crime as far away from themselves as possible. The ransom letter provided a motive (John and his business were hated) The letter claims it comes from a foreign faction (That's light years away from the Ramseys). The amount had to be significant as to point to who might do this. (Thus, it was someone who knew about John's finances and the amount of his bonus).
It was stated in the letter that more than two people were involved, one composing the letter and two watching over the child.
However, the screw up comes when the details for the exchange of money for the child is given. No special date is given. Only a day, tomorrow, but which tomorrow? There is too much instruction given for the preparing the money and delivery of the money, down to what should be used in carrying the money.
If this were a true ransom letter, the main goal would be to get the money. But the letter writer gives only a vague timeline. Instead this becomes a blueprint for LE in order to put them way off course and give the Ramseys distance and breathing room. I think that is the reason this letter had to be lenghty. It was important for Patsy and John to present (false) clues and could only do it with a long involved letter.
JMO

 

[Solace]

I really don't think he does.I really think he meant what he said.And according to the last statement he released,he hasn't changed his mind,so that would mean he took JR's fiber evidence into consideration,but still believes he was only in on the coverup,albeit it was sooner than he thought though.
I didn't take it as there was anything misleading in his theory.he did leave out the large underwear in his breakdown of events though.
And if you've read PMPT,he believes for sure that Patsy did it.
I don't discount his theory,perhaps it's like everything else..he took the evidence into consideration,and narrowed it down till he arrived at a conclusion...some might think JAR did it..as he was 'seen' in the yard that day,and the contents of the suitcase might lend credence to that...but then there's Santa Bill and coincidences there...but of course they didn't kill her...it was all narrowed down and they were eliminated..which is what Thomas did,and he arrived at the conclusion that Patsy did it,and why.

JMO,

Forgive me, but who are you referring to when you say JAR was in the yard that day. If it is John Andrew, he was not in town and arrived from Denver with his sister and her boyfriend on the 'DAY' they found her. I know you know this, but are you saying that people say they spotted him there.

 

[coloradokares]

JMO,

Forgive me, but who are you referring to when you say JAR was in the yard that day. If it is John Andrew, he was not in town and arrived from Denver with his sister and her boyfriend on the 'DAY' they found her. I know you know this, but are you saying that people say they spotted him there.

The Barnhills believed they had seen John Andrew before he supposedly arrived. Walking across the yard. That seems a major contradiction. Yet his alibi appears solid in that no one recants his alibi.