Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #18

[Sanny]

This was NOT as one-sided as Joran claims - there was definately a
fight-struggle lasting more than just several minutes. The bruising on her
hands and the room dissarray show that. Her knees drawn up in a fetal
position show the end. This does not look haphazard to me but methodical at the end - this guy knew exactly what he was doing, trying to kill her.

IMO he is a born killer......bad to the bone.

 

[georger]

Peroxide? Dipped her fingernails in it and then had the hair-brained idea to changes his hair colour.

When he left TAC after the murder the vid shows he had not changed his hair colour?

 

[panthera]

This was NOT as one-sided as Joran claims - there was definately a
fight-struggle lasting more than just several minutes. The bruising on her
hands and the room dissarray show that. Her knees drawn up in a fetal
position show the end. This does not look haphazard to me but methodical at the end - this guy knew exactly what he was doing, trying to kill her.

BBM

I completely agree. And, due to the nature of how she was killed, he could have stopped at any time ~ unlike firing a gun and once the bullet strikes it's over. This was no accident. MOO

 

[georger]

Wonder what the tech is holding in pic #13? The receit for the coffee? Maybe time stamped?

Hate to bring this up but the tech(s) arent wearing latex gloves. That's a basis for challenging
evidence in Court ... especially mtdna, dna, or any biological evidence lawyer could claim contamination ...

 

[nort]

Can the tell the difference between a fighting a bruise and just discoloration due to death and three days in waiting.

 

[panthera]

I guess these women (if they even exist) didn't listen to Jean reading the psych evaluation last night.......

Van der Sloot Boasts of Marriage Offers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/22/world/main6606373.shtml

 

[georger]

Yes but if you look at picture 20 I seem to see off white going down both sides of her body partially covering her black t-shirt and her arms. Like she's wearing the shirt but it's not buttoned. It was not laid over her in picture 20. It looks like the shirt because it appears beige against the white sheet that is under her. In pictures 1 and 2 it appears as though her arms are in the sleeves of the shirt. In picture 1 her right arm is across her body but in picture 20 it is not so it was likely moved in picture 1 to photograph her watch and hand injuries. If they moved her arm and it was still covered with the shirt, I'd say IMO her arm was in the shirt.

This might also explain all the blood on the back of the shirt as it would have been underneath her body if she was wearing it and the blood would have pooled beneath her body if she was left laying on her back.

It is also interesting that the beige shirt was listed in the police report as part of the clothing she was found in.

If she was wearing the shirt, then he how could he have smothered her with the back of it?

MOO

exactly, agree, moreover it shows a 'familiarity' between them which
has not been stated before ... unless he pulled her pants off and put the shirt on her to fake familiarity?

 

[Belinda]

This was NOT as one-sided as Joran claims - there was definately a
fight-struggle lasting more than just several minutes. The bruising on her
hands and the room dissarray show that. Her knees drawn up in a fetal
position show the end. This does not look haphazard to me but methodical at the end - this guy knew exactly what he was doing, trying to kill her.

BBM - Some posters have been saying that her ankle looked broken in one of the pictures. Could she have gone into the fetal postion after breaking her ankle in a final attempt to protect herself?

 

[Kamille]

Thats what I think, not laid OVER her as Joran stated, but On her ...
probably prior to the killing.

Edited as jwarner found original post

 

[LookingUp]

I guess these women (if they even exist) didn't listen to Jean reading the psych evaluation last night.......

Van der Sloot Boasts of Marriage Offers

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/22/world/main6606373.shtml

How are they conveying their wishes to JVDS? Love notes, emails??? Does he have pc access? Are they calling him on the telephone? Geeeeeez!

 

[cat thief]

"My only question is about the part this "Elton Garcia" played in this. Allegedly, he called the hotel or got someone from the casino to do it. Why? I have also read that he had dinner plans with Joran, Joran didn't show, and Garcia wanted someone to check on him. He knew Joran was a rolling stone. Why would he have worried about him? Why not just have assumed that he had decided to move on or head home after a losing night at the tables or something like that. And Garcia was an Albanian who was a naturalized Peruvian citizen?????"

The way I understood it seems to make perfect sense to me. Elton was legitimately concerned and then acted upon that concern.

Joran pulled a no-show on Elton twice.

THEN

The word around the casino was that Stephany was possibly kidnapped.

This caused Elton to be concerned for Joran because he knew the two had spent time together and Joran pulled two no-shows. Elton then asked that they check his room.

 

[Kamille]

exactly, agree, moreover it shows a 'familiarity' between them which
has not been stated before ... unless he pulled her pants off and put the shirt on her to fake familiarity?

I think there might have been quite a bit of staging by Joran in the room after the murder that has messed up the scene. Remember...he was trying to pass it off on two armed men who were in the room at one point.

 

[panthera]

How are they conveying their wishes to JVDS? Love notes, emails??? Does he have pc access? Are they calling him on the telephone? Geeeeeez!

I think it's more of his lies but I'd imagine he could get mail in the prison. MOO

 

[krowdkat]

Hate to bring this up but the tech(s) arent wearing latex gloves. That's a basis for challenging
evidence in Court ... especially mtdna, dna, or any biological evidence lawyer could claim contamination ...

Jwarner, I don't know what photos you are looking at but I CLEARLY see gloves on # 6 - blue jeans pic, #10 & 11 - Tennis Shoes pics, and # 13 - travel bag pic.

What are you seeing?

 

[georger]

Well I can tell you from looking at these photos, SF did fight like hell to try and save her life, I also heard on In Sessions this morning that when Peru LE did luminol testing in the room there was blood everywhere, the hall the bathroom and all over the room, so much for Mark Furman to say that SF only had blood coming from her nose and her ear the photos show a totally different story of what went on in that room God rest her soul.

There was a serious altercation here. It was not one-sided. I am
wondering now if she didnt even try to escape into the hallway and
he tackled her and dragged her back by her feet ... that scenario would
explain him then going into the hallway on a faked expedition simply to look around and test the air, for any sign of people alerted by the noise and standing in the hallway concerned, etc. Then he continues the ruse
(for the camera he knows is there) and he fakes being locked out ...

I wonder if anyone was even home in the rooms around him when this happened?

 

[panthera]

I think there might have been quite a bit of staging by Joran in the room after the murder that has messed up the scene. Remember...he was trying to pass it off on two armed men who were in the room at one point.

I read your previous post, looking at the crime scene photos as I was reading through it, and came to this conclusion also. Seeing Joran wearing the shirt in the hotel video, it seems large even for him....so I can't imagine Stephany actually wearing it without having the sleeves rolled up quite a bit, assuming she would even have a reason to have it on. MOO

 

[Paintr]

BBM - Some posters have been saying that her ankle looked broken in one of the pictures. Could she have gone into the fetal postion after breaking her ankle in a final attempt to protect herself?

I was the one who brought up a possibly broken ankle after trying unsuccessfully to contort my own left ankle into the position shown in the picture of her feet. I don't know if it is truly broken but if it is, it could be one reason why she couldn't escape.

Have we seen and autopsy report yet?

 

[mister happy]

This was NOT as one-sided as Joran claims - there was definately a
fight-struggle lasting more than just several minutes. The bruising on her
hands and the room dissarray show that. Her knees drawn up in a fetal
position show the end. This does not look haphazard to me but methodical at the end - this guy knew exactly what he was doing, trying to kill her.

Yes, even the judge that charged Joran said he acted with “ferocity and great cruelty.”

 

[mck16]

exactly, agree, moreover it shows a 'familiarity' between them which
has not been stated before ... unless he pulled her pants off and put the shirt on her to fake familiarity?

I agree. I can't think of any reason she would be wearing his shirt. I don't think he put it on her because he made the comment that there was so much blood he was uncomfortable. So, I don't see him undressing her and re dressing her. But, who knows. jmo

 

[krowdkat]

There was a serious altercation here. It was not one-sided. I am
wondering now if she didnt even try to escape into the hallway and
he tackled her and dragged her back by her feet ... that scenario would
explain him then going into the hallway on a faked expedition simply to look around and test the air, for any sign of people alerted by the noise and standing in the hallway concerned, etc. Then he continues the ruse
(for the camera he knows is there) and he fakes being locked out ...

I wonder if anyone was even home in the rooms around him when this happened?

In his original confession he said that Stephany tried to leave and he stopped her. So I can see your scenario playing out.

I'm curious to know if the rooms around 309 were occupied, as well.