Phone Calls and Phone Records

[zerbert]

Yes, I stand corrected!!! Thank you Zerbert~~~is been a long and tiring week.

Word up to that! :faint: And it's not over yet.

There is a Google doc where someone has compiled information on RH's call log here -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LGVkA4HrKKVCVuGJd9j-UVBCIqCI6MYYZR4NvhJiT7w/edit#gid=0

I have no idea how accurate some of the information on there is, or even where it came from. Some of those numbers seemed pretty impossible to find.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Word up to that! :faint: And it's not over yet.

There is a Google doc where someone has compiled information on RH's call log here -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LGVkA4HrKKVCVuGJd9j-UVBCIqCI6MYYZR4NvhJiT7w/edit#gid=0

I have no idea how accurate some of the information on there is, or even where it came from. Some of those numbers seemed pretty impossible to find.

Ok..lets go with the assumption it is correct. Anyone sleuth this caller or checked Wis Circuit Court? Thursday October 6, 2005.

 

[dexter75]

thanks for the heads up... I like reading other opinions because sometimes there are things I haven't thought about. I don't have the time to go through it all right now, but I do disagree with part of their conclusion that someone would have to call into the Cingular voice mail system number. This isn't true, if someone called her number, they could hit the # key and then enter the PIN.

I think because we are missing bits and pieces here, it's hard, I was trying to figure out why KZ thinks it was RH and provided his phone records. He did call her number on the 1st, what I'm not sure of is.... if he called her number and then hit the pound key while her message was playing and entered her VM... would her phone continue to record the time? His call only lasted 8 seconds according to her records. Does that mean he hung up? or could that mean '8 seconds into the message he hit the #' key, which essential ends his call to her number and would connect him to the VM. (I hope that makes sense, it does in my head haha) His records show 1 minute, so not sure that's long enough to delete messages either. I know there are options to fast track listening to VM's but not sure it could be that quick.

Also.... anyone could have done it from any other phone.

It makes perfect sense in my head too, Missy

A minute, IMO, is plenty of time to delete messages.
Thinking here that when I go through and erase my own, I only listen to the first couple of words...then, it's " message deleted " and on to the next.

Also wondering if perhaps with each VM all he had to do was hear the automated " next message " prompt.. and many times back then, the person leaving the message spoke their name.

So, for RH to dial in and delete VM, IMO a minute would be plenty of time to listen to a quick greeting ( maybe not even the entire greeting HAD to play ) hit the pin, & listen to " Voicemail from ( caller speaks name here ) & delete, moving on to the next.

 

[shadowraiths]

thanks for the heads up... I like reading other opinions because sometimes there are things I haven't thought about. I don't have the time to go through it all right now, but I do disagree with part of their conclusion that someone would have to call into the Cingular voice mail system number. This isn't true, if someone called her number, they could hit the # key and then enter the PIN.

I think because we are missing bits and pieces here, it's hard, I was trying to figure out why KZ thinks it was RH and provided his phone records. He did call her number on the 1st, what I'm not sure of is.... if he called her number and then hit the pound key while her message was playing and entered her VM... would her phone continue to record the time? His call only lasted 8 seconds according to her records. Does that mean he hung up? or could that mean '8 seconds into the message he hit the #' key, which essential ends his call to her number and would connect him to the VM. (I hope that makes sense, it does in my head haha) His records show 1 minute, so not sure that's long enough to delete messages either. I know there are options to fast track listening to VM's but not sure it could be that quick.

Also.... anyone could have done it from any other phone.

Okay, for some reason... and it's been awhile.

I thought MH testified that he called Ms. Halbach's voicemail, and deleted some of the messages, the day following her going missing? This was testimony, under oath, on the stand. That I recall, RH bragged about breaking into her account via the website, which was how he stated he was able to print out her call record. This was also testimony, under oath, on the stand.

If I'm misremembering, please feel free to correct me.

I will also try to find the specific documents that contain the aforementioned testimony.

 

[angelainwi]

Interesting tidbit. BC spoke to RH on 11/03/05 at 9:34 pm for a total of 1 minute. Did they know each other? If not, how did BC get RH's number? He also called AutoTrader on 11/03/05 at 6:24 pm for 1 minute.

Do we know who BC is? How do we know he also called AutoTrader?

 

[ElleElle]

Word up to that! :faint: And it's not over yet.

There is a Google doc where someone has compiled information on RH's call log here -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LGVkA4HrKKVCVuGJd9j-UVBCIqCI6MYYZR4NvhJiT7w/edit#gid=0

I have no idea how accurate some of the information on there is, or even where it came from. Some of those numbers seemed pretty impossible to find.

Good find!

I find this interesting ... November 1st

Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:31 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:32 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:34 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:39 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:41 PM 608-266-2112 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:43 PM 608-266-2112 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens

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Why would these calls be made?

 

[missy1974]

Okay, for some reason... and it's been awhile.

I thought MH testified that he called Ms. Halbach's voicemail, and deleted some of the messages, the day following her going missing? This was testimony, under oath, on the stand. That I recall, RH bragged about breaking into her account via the website, which was how he stated he was able to print out her call record. This was also testimony, under oath, on the stand.

If I'm misremembering, please feel free to correct me.

I will also try to find the specific documents that contain the aforementioned testimony.

You are close

MH testified that he may have deleted some but didn't remember specifically deleting them. But it was on November 3rd. RH did brag about the online account password, and how he "guessed it", these are both part of their testimony.

Zellner, in her motion, points a finger at Individual B (RH LOL), saying he deleted VM's sometime before 7:12am on November 2nd, which is before she was reported missing. I have been looking at his phone records, which are attached as an exhibit to the motion, to try to figure out why she thinks that. He did call her on the 1st at 6:42pm, so I'm wondering if KZ thinks that maybe he called her cell number, while the VM message was playing, he hit the # key to enter into the VM's... then deleted.

There is only 2 ways to access the voicemails. 1 ~ Her phone. 2 ~ Another phone by dialing her number and entering the password after the # key while her VM was playing.

 

[missy1974]

Good find!

I find this interesting ... November 1st

Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:31 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:32 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:34 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:39 PM 608-261-7083 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens Health Profession
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:41 PM 608-266-2112 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 1:43 PM 608-266-2112 Wis State Of Regulation And Licens

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Why would these calls be made?

He had just finished nursing school... they were in charge of licensing.

 

[missy1974]

Do we know who BC is? How do we know he also called AutoTrader?

I think BCA meant that Ryan also called AutoTrader.

We do know who BC is, he is mentioned in the CASO report.

Page 44, the link will take you directly there.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf#page=44

 

[missy1974]

I have to keep reminding myself that Zellner has way more information than us lol Maybe attaching his records as an exhibit is just one of many crumbs that lead her to her conclusion that he did it. Does she have records that VM's were deleted at a specific time? do they match with his phone records? so many unanswered questions, well unanswered for us, but maybe not KZ lol It's almost like she is daring them to challenge her with some of her statements in that motion. JMO

 

[ElleElle]

Hi all my sleuths friends

I have been busy moving etc ... life gets in the way.

Question: Does Zellner believe RH is responsible??

 

[missy1974]

Hi ElleElle

:welcomeback:

Zellner filed a new motion last week She makes some accusations against Individual A and Individual B... lol A = Joshua Radant (owner of the quarry beside the Avery's Salvage Yard) B= Ryan Hillegas (ex bf/friend)

Here is the motion:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...on-for-Post-Conviction-Scientific-Testing.pdf

here is a thread that we discussed some things in... also look in the new Brendan decision thread and Zellner tweets thread as the conversation ran over into them lol
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?315610-August-26th-2016-Motions-Filed

 

[ElleElle]

Here is the trial exhibit 359 that shows his actual cell phone log (it's a mess and not easy to read).

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...rial-Exhibit-359-Avery-Call-Log-2005Oct31.pdf

the link you posted, there are some unverified numbers on there and there is a disclaimer at the top that states: In the "Party Called" column, names followed by three * symbols were obtained by entering the full phone number into a reverse phone search. Results may be inaccurate, as the owner of the phone may have changed since 2005. -

so 1 (maybe 2 if the construction one is wrong too) of those calls out of the 16 (other than the calls to TH) seem to be a person, not a business, gov't agency, or family. And those 2 numbers could be people he knows and we just don't know he knows them.

IMO Not unreasonable to think that he used *67 for numbers he was either unsure of who was at the other end, or for not personal business/family/friends calls.

Again, I don't understand why he would call AutoTrader in the morning without *67 if he had a plan in motion.

Maybe he just used *67 as a habit and did not always do it.

 

[ElleElle]

I'm wondering if Cingular had the capability to listen/delete voicemails from their website at that time. I know I can do it with Time Warner's voicemail, for instance. And the VM records do seem to indicate they were in their filesystem.

Not sure if this is useful information ...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/44415-38-auto-login-voicemail-cingular

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Do we know who BC is? How do we know he also called AutoTrader?

Oh, refer to the doc Zerbert posted up thread....you know the pictures that TH took of the guy and his wife...

 

[shadowraiths]

You are close

MH testified that he may have deleted some but didn't remember specifically deleting them. But it was on November 3rd. RH did brag about the online account password, and how he "guessed it", these are both part of their testimony.

Zellner, in her motion, points a finger at Individual B (RH LOL), saying he deleted VM's sometime before 7:12am on November 2nd, which is before she was reported missing. I have been looking at his phone records, which are attached as an exhibit to the motion, to try to figure out why she thinks that. He did call her on the 1st at 6:42pm, so I'm wondering if KZ thinks that maybe he called her cell number, while the VM message was playing, he hit the # key to enter into the VM's... then deleted.

There is only 2 ways to access the voicemails. 1 ~ Her phone. 2 ~ Another phone by dialing her number and entering the password after the # key while her VM was playing.

Ah, okay! Thanks! It's so hard to keep up with this stuff.

 

[missy1974]

Ah, okay! Thanks! It's so hard to keep up with this stuff.

I have a pretty good memory... my kids and hubby hate it LOL And some of this stuff I have linked over and over again ... ya know... :deadhorse:

 

[dexter75]

Hi all my sleuths friends

I have been busy moving etc ... life gets in the way.

Question: Does Zellner believe RH is responsible??

Welcome back!🤗😉

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[Karinna]

Has it ever been mentioned about the deleted phone activity prior to TH's death, that if anyone ever tried to access the deleted phone information content on TH's phone? I believe it is possible for authorities to be able to get retrieval of that information in an investigation.

 

[missy1974]

Has it ever been mentioned about the deleted phone activity prior to TH's death, that if anyone ever tried to access the deleted phone information content on TH's phone? I believe it is possible for authorities to be able to get retrieval of that information in an investigation.

That would have required them to investigate :giggle:

We don't know much about TH's phone habits or SA's phone habits before the 31st. We only have records for a few days for TH, and only the 31st for SA.