GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[turaj]

Perhaps the defense team met with them before and after court in a side room, etc. It's likely they took care of their privacy, which I am glad is the case.

They were reportedly in the courtroom. It is their son.

 

[turaj]

I know basically nothing about this case and I have no idea where to start. Wikipedia is not providing me with potential motives and news articles also say BK had no obvious motive.

I don't know many details but I believe evidence that would have come out that he was after Madison...he went right to her room. Is it possible that he met her out in town and she rejected him? Not sure of the history but I think that is why that house got his interest. The rest I really don't know. It also seems no sexual violation of her occured before the murder.

 

[femto]

I know basically nothing about this case and I have no idea where to start. Wikipedia is not providing me with potential motives and news articles also say BK had no obvious motive.

Well, BK has provided no motive. As turaj said, the most likely target was Maddie, but why and when we'll probably never know. He didn't presonally know her. Maybe the police have more information but I doubt they'll release it.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

This is really sad to listen to, you can hear how much he is hurting, and I feel for him, but this is also very unfair.

The prosecution did their job, and they did it well. The MPD found the person that murdered his daughter and her 3 beautiful friends, and the prosecution worked really hard to secure his conviction and ensure he can never hurt anyone else's child. They ensured his life will never be his own again. That is a win. What's more, this way, there can be no doubt about his guilt, we heard it from his own mouth, and he has nowhere left to go. No appeals, no SODDI, no more motions to supress, no more poor, awkward, misguided Bryan, just obscurity.

The prosecution did their job, and they have delivered justice.

As for the Judge's comments at the beginning of the hearing, they were completely necessary and SG brought them on himself. Judge Hippler has been exemplary in his precision over this case. I dont think we could have had a better Judge.

I hope in time SG and his family find the peace that he feels the DP would have brought them, and come to understand thar this wasnt the loss he believes it to be right now, and he can honour Kaylee in the best way by living life to the full and savouring every moment.

 

[Vaderman]

i think the judge knows SG will up his rhetoric big time until sentencing and judge has a duty to keep law and order and that courthouse has other work to do. He made it pretty clear that calling and emailing etc. is pointless. SG seems to be chasing windmills. I don't recall but does he not have other children. I mean he is just not helping anyone.

At this point, I'm starting to think it may be best for him to sit out the sentencing hearing as well. I can see things getting very ugly and only getting himself into serious trouble.

 

[CLGM]

Steve will never be right again. I hope he finds some peace. I watched yesterday, parents on their best behavior in the courtroom, sitting there listening to the monster who took their children away, like their lives meant nothing. I am afraid I would be more like Steve, shouting nonsense from the rafters. Not because it made sense, but because of how broken I was.

Same. This may be where the work of victims’ advocates come in - helping families navigate and understand the logistics and processes, as well as their emotions.

 

[femto]

This is really sad to listen to, you can hear how much he is hurting, and I feel for him, but this is also very unfair.

The prosecution did their job, and they did it well. The MPD found the person that murdered his daughter and her 3 beautiful friends, and the prosecution worked really hard to secure his conviction and ensure he can never hurt anyone else's child. They ensured his life will never be his own again. That is a win. What's more, this way, there can be no doubt about his guilt, we heard it from his own mouth, and he has nowhere left to go. No appeals, no SODDI, no more motions to supress, no more poor, awkward, misguided Bryan, just obscurity.

We all know he's guilty, well, apart from a small sect of contrarian lunatics that almost definitely thought Jodi Arias and Chris Watts are innocent. Him saying 'guilty' in the most nonchalant manner serves no purpose. It won't even convince the people that support him. They'll just say he's forced. As far as appeals go, which is the most often mentioned point in regardes to LWOP, he was never getting those anyway so it doesn't matter.

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

I feel his body stance said a lot. It said, "I have no remorse, and I scorn all of you, and I don't care that I killed them." MOO. The "open" stance, like "bring it on." The standing for the judge, a show of respect for the law, showing that he is loony, because of his total disrespect for rights and laws by his actions. He is SO messed up. MOO. I think he's long been extremely strange, and he knew it himself, as a younger person, he knew he did not have normal feelings, had blunted feelings, and when he did express himself, he got a lot of blowback, evidently, from the other teens. Some of it probably bullying, some of it people sensing he wasn't right and a threat. MOO. But I think he is also very scared inside. The looking at the laptop, the glances at AT, like a scared person trying to do right while under the eyes of the judge. MOO.

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[Sundog]

They were reportedly in the courtroom. It is their son.

Yes, they were. I was referring to the poster who said that they hadn't seen any photos of them. I think the defense team likely took care of their privacy both before and after the court hearing.

 

[Dotta]

Experts about Plea Deal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940766202948636675

Theories about motive

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940534233799279050

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I feel his body stance said a lot. It said, "I have no remorse, and I scorn all of you, and I don't care that I killed them." MOO. The "open" stance, like "bring it on." The standing for the judge, a show of respect for the law, showing that he is loony, because of his total disrespect for rights and laws by his actions. He is SO messed up. MOO. I think he's long been extremely strange, and he knew it himself, as a younger person, he knew he did not have normal feelings, had blunted feelings, and when he did express himself, he got a lot of blowback, evidently, from the other teens. Some of it probably bullying, some of it people sensing he wasn't right and a threat. MOO. But I think he is also very scared inside. The looking at the laptop, the glances at AT, like a scared person trying to do right while under the eyes of the judge. MOO. <modsnip: Image removed due to no link to source>

JMO he looks terrified out of his wits and frantic as if he could do 'anything'.
He probably also realised he's never going to see the woman he's been sitting beside and who showed him kindness ever again. What is the officer standing behind him doing?

Also BK looks as if he may have a suicide / safety padded vest under his shirt. JMO

 

[kaen]

I feel his body stance said a lot. It said, "I have no remorse, and I scorn all of you, and I don't care that I killed them." MOO. The "open" stance, like "bring it on." The standing for the judge, a show of respect for the law, showing that he is loony, because of his total disrespect for rights and laws by his actions. He is SO messed up. MOO. I think he's long been extremely strange, and he knew it himself, as a younger person, he knew he did not have normal feelings, had blunted feelings, and when he did express himself, he got a lot of blowback, evidently, from the other teens. Some of it probably bullying, some of it people sensing he wasn't right and a threat. MOO. But I think he is also very scared inside. The looking at the laptop, the glances at AT, like a scared person trying to do right while under the eyes of the judge. MOO. <modsnip: Image removed due to no link>

The shirt fits oddly. I wonder if there is some sort of vest under it given the way the shirt gathers from his neck to his arm pits. The blank look is one that reminds photos of the Sandy Hook shooter (though I will never type his name again) with his ASD, OCD, GA but possibly sociopathy and others with diagnosis of sociopathy----blank face, not with you even when looking at you. We know he has eating issues from early on when there were very OCD behavior reported by family (pots and pans contamination of meat issues). We have also seen these types of faces and body language in the Colorado cases of Gannon Stauch's murderer and Shanann and her children's murderer.

 

[CLGM]

As we would say in the south, you guys have been preaching this morning!

There have been so many thoughtful, intelligent, informative, and compassionate posts. They provide some hope and reassurance of goodness in the face of the unfathomable depravity and evil embodied by BK.

Thankful for this community!

 

[Magic8Ball]

Experts about Plea Deal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940766202948636675

Theories about motive

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940534233799279050

Lol. The "hidden detail" the DM's legal expert says "everyone is overlooking" is the fact that BK can't ever appeal.

Clearly, this legal expert isn't spending any time here on WS, because we've been talking about that point as being a key component of the plea deal repeatedly in this thread.

It's what's sold many of us on the fact that this plea deal is a win for the Good Guys.

 

[CLGM]

I know basically nothing about this case and I have no idea where to start. Wikipedia is not providing me with potential motives and news articles also say BK had no obvious motive.

Haha, you have a lot of reading to do! Go back to thread number 1 and you will find all that you are seeking, plus thoughtful commentary along the way.

 

[Arkay]

I feel his body stance said a lot. It said, "I have no remorse, and I scorn all of you, and I don't care that I killed them." MOO. The "open" stance, like "bring it on." The standing for the judge, a show of respect for the law, showing that he is loony, because of his total disrespect for rights and laws by his actions. He is SO messed up. MOO. I think he's long been extremely strange, and he knew it himself, as a younger person, he knew he did not have normal feelings, had blunted feelings, and when he did express himself, he got a lot of blowback, evidently, from the other teens. Some of it probably bullying, some of it people sensing he wasn't right and a threat. MOO. But I think he is also very scared inside. The looking at the laptop, the glances at AT, like a scared person trying to do right while under the eyes of the judge. MOO. <modsnip: Image removed due to no link>

He may have been scared, but with his lack of affect it’s difficult to discern.

Bryan certainly seemed nonchalant, just a day in the office, no big deal. One syllable answers to his guilt or innocence were the minimum he legally could give and so he did the minimum.

I would guess for most people, being sentenced for the rest of their lives would evoke tumultuous emotion, but he either felt nothing, or did but is characteristically unable to show it.

For all we know, the hearing may have been the highlight of his life, second only to the relish he felt in murdering four young people.

IMO it no longer matters. Nothing will bring back the dead, as tragic as that is, whether he was subject to a firing squad or spends every day in prison until he dies.

I’m relieved that we and especially the families are no longer on tenterhooks that a lone juror may have found him innocent.

I recognize and respect that some victim’s families feel robbed of justice, but I am scared for Steve if he crosses a line in his anguish and ends up imprisoned himself.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Future Accommodation?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940656631689183639

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I know basically nothing about this case and I have no idea where to start. Wikipedia is not providing me with potential motives and news articles also say BK had no obvious motive.

Here is an overview of the case:

Latah County prosecutor outlines chilling details in Kohberger case

You can fill in many details by digging into the court documents here:

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

Hopefully, we will all know even more after the sentencing hearing on July 23 & 24, when Hippler promised to lift the gag order. He may also unseal some of the court documents listed here:

Current Case Summary

 

[Dotta]

Lol. The "hidden detail" the DM's legal expert says "everyone is overlooking" is the fact that BK can't ever appeal.

Clearly, this legal expert isn't spending any time here on WS, because we've been talking about that point as being a key component of the plea deal repeatedly in this thread.

It's what's sold many of us on the fact that this plea deal is a win for the Good Guys.

It made me chuckle too!!!

But,
Mind you,
NOT everybody reading this article is a Web Sleuth

 

[pittsburghgirl]

We all know he's guilty, well, apart from a small sect of contrarian lunatics that almost definitely thought Jodi Arias and Chris Watts are innocent. Him saying 'guilty' in the most nonchalant manner serves no purpose. It won't even convince the people that support him. They'll just say he's forced. As far as appeals go, which is the most often mentioned point in regardes to LWOP, he was never getting those anyway so it doesn't matter.

I don't care one bit what a bunch of people who are incapable of basic reasoning believe. Nothing will convince them, just as nothing has convinced other killer fanboys and girls that their idols are guilty.

If he had been convicted by a jury and sentenced to either LWOP or death, there would have been appeal after appeal. And death penalty cases go on for decades.

A guilty plea from a defendant who has had the benefit of years of top death-qualified counsel and who confesses his guilt to each and every count on the criminal indictment serves the purposes of the only justice available: he will be permanently removed from society. That's actually all either LWOP or the death penalty accomplishes. A killer has confessed to his crimes and can be sentenced within the guidelines of the law. There is not even the "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a jury verdict would provide. There is no doubt, none at all, because he told us he is the killer of all four of the victims. He, alone. So there is no accomplice, no SODDI, no blaming the housemates or old boyfriends or BK's neighbor. He's GUILTY. And on top of that, his demeanor confirmed that he is a remorseless weirdo killer, not some glamorous misunderstood victim.