GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

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  • #261
"One Night in Idaho," the Prime documentary, was very well done. A ways back I mentioned a book by Jeanine Cummins about the rape and murders of her two young cousins, for which several of the killers got the death penalty. Cummins's point was similar to a point made in the documentary after the arrest of BK: that all the attention turned to the killers and away from the victims. The documentary really re-focused my attention of the victims and what their families, their friends and the world lost. I've never seen any documentary so clearly show the ripple effects of murder.

I've always thought the plea deal was the best possible outcome because of no appeals. But after seeing the smart, articulate and loving friends of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan, I am so glad they will not have to relive this trauma at trial and for years of appeals. These kids will live with this trauma the rest of their lives. It's good not to add to it.

The other thing that I can't stop thinking about is social media. The kids documented their whole lives online without any thought that a predator might feed on what they posted. Ironically, it's that very public life that gave the documentary so much powering Part 1. The whole bunch of these kids were living what many would think of as ideal college lives--not primarily the parties but the deep friendships and the goofy good times. It's heartbreaking.

And finally, hats off to Websleuths. Social media and "internet sleuths" were soundly and deservedly criticized for making and promoting unfounded accusations against the friends and acquaintances of the victims, for direct attacks on and threats against these friends and even family members, and for compounding a terrible tragedy to feed their own egos. Sometimes when we've seen videos or articles not from a mainstream or approved source, it's hard not to share the information. Sometimes it's hard not to point fingers at people who aren't suspects or to get rapped on the knuckles for not being sensitive to people whom we assume are victims. And Lordy, sometimes I forget to MOO or MHO. But we can read and post here without causing more harm and trauma to innocent people. And I feel good about that.
 
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  • #262
Like the companion docuseries on Amazon Prime, the book The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy lets us get to know the victims and their families.

This amusing vignette from Part Three: The First Six Weeks of the book also humanizes Moscow Police Chief Fry and public defender/nurse turned Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt:

On her very first call as Coroner in 2006, Mabbutt and Fry examined a body that hadn’t been found for three days. The experienced Chief Fry smeared Vicks in and under his nose to avoid the smell, but rookie Mabbutt didn’t know the old cop trick.

Eventually she could bear it no longer and told him she couldn’t focus—not because of the intense smell, but because he had “extremely large boogers hanging out of his nose.”
 
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  • #263
I found her to be super annoying and her arguments ludicrous (all of his attorneys). And keeping BK off death row doesn't seem to be something to be proud of. I'm not pro death penalty, but BK deserves nothing spared, imo. I'm sure this will sound harsh to some. Judge Hippler on the other hand, was the most professional and patient judge in the face of her nonsense.

Same. I think she got more and more delusional. I couldn’t tell if she bonded with BK or she was enjoying the spotlight.
 
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OK, thank you.
I'm sure that's been stated on this thread already, possibly multiple times, but didn't sink in, in my case.
You're most welcome. There has been a lot to keep up with.
 
  • #266
Following up on my post from yesterday, mentioning the ease of breaking into a locked sliding glass door, and mentioning that there were suggestions that the door was broken and could not be locked, in chapter 42 of the Patterson book, The Idaho Four An American Tragedy, it is written, 'Everyone in their circle, even their parents, knew that the lock was broken. You just had to lift the mechanism up and the door released.' So BK surely had no trouble getting in through the slider. JMO
I believe he had tested the door previously and knew it didn’t lock.

There is no way I can be convinced that he wasn’t in that house, checking it out, before the night of the murders.

MOO
 
  • #267
Canister...

Giving the impression of a firefighter...

Did DM see The Knife but her brain blocked it out?

Did she see The Knife, wrapped in a shirt or towel, giving it the appearance of bulk?

How was he carrying the knife at that point?

Wrapped? Contained? In what?

Will it be revealed?

It really is the stuff of nightmares.

JMO
 
  • #268
Reminder that the hearing in the media’s push for the gag order to be vacated in the Kohberger case is tomorrow at 10:30 local.

My initial thought was that judge Hippler would keep it in place until sentencing, as both parties seemed to want that.

According to Brian Entin however, the state plans to drop their objection to the gag order remaining in place, which substantially increases the probability that the order will be vacated prior to sentencing.

 
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7/16/25

Vinnie Politan LIVE! Inside the Mind of Killer Bryan Kohberger​

 
  • #270
I don't mind telling you that this excerpt from The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy caused me to set the book down for a moment...

From chapter 72, when the director of the funeral home that had Ethan's body, and who was a friend of the Chapin's, persuaded Stacy and the others to view Ethan in the casket. They had been reluctant, until he told her that he had been doing that job for a very long time, and they needed to see him.

'Stacy tucked a dry sock and, out of habit, a Taco Bell card into Ethan's coffin. "God forbid the guy would go hungry," she later said. She watched, surprised and touched, as Jim added a golf tee.'

(Taco Bell was Ethan's favorite place to eat, and the Chapin's summer home was on a golf course, where Ethan loved to play)

As a parent, that really hit me in all the feels. JMO
 
  • #271
As a parent, that really hit me in all the feels. JMO

I recently saw the Chapin's interview with local King5, and I felt the same seeing Ethan's red Jeep parked in the garage, and how his dad still washes it, communes with it-- hoping to get a whiff of his scent.
 
  • #272
I don't know who here may be familiar with the podcast, "The Consult." It is a podcast done by 3 retired FBI agents who worked in the behavioral analysis unit. I find them to be very measured and cautious in what they say, very selective in which cases they will talk about, and very thoughtful. They aren't flashy like John Douglas (though I retain a small soft spot of nostalgia in my heart for him).

They are doing a 2 part series profiling Bryan Kohberger. Part 1 is out now and part 2 will be out next Wed, I believe.

 
  • #273
Why was that her job? Why attempt r lived in a country where capital

Canister...

Giving the impression of a firefighter...

Did DM see The Knife but her brain blocked it out?

Did she see The Knife, wrapped in a shirt or towel, giving it the appearance of bulk?

How was he carrying the knife at that point?

Wrapped? Contained? In what?

Will it be revealed?

It really is the stuff of nightmares.

JMO
Could have hilt exposed forward with blade hidden upright in hand behind his hand and forearm, assassin style.
It's a big enough knife to be "what is that? A hose, vac tube, can?"
 
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Canister...

Giving the impression of a firefighter...

Did DM see The Knife but her brain blocked it out?

Did she see The Knife, wrapped in a shirt or towel, giving it the appearance of bulk?

How was he carrying the knife at that point?

Wrapped? Contained? In what?

Will it be revealed?

It really is the stuff of nightmares.

JMO
I've been thinking about this and DM had mere seconds to take in all that she took in before he passed by into the kitchen. She took in a lot of detail about his face, what he was wearing, that he was athletic, height & approx weight, his Brybrows, etc, and then her eyes had to drop (or rise if she saw the object he was holding in front of him first). It's not surprising that she wasn't real clear on what it was. I don't think I'd feel real clear on something I caught a fleeting glance of either. Especially since it was a shock to see a guy in a mask passing mere inches from where she stood, and after all she had heard a few minutes earlier. Her inexperienced (to a quadruple murder) mind just wasn't computing. It didn't know what to fill the blanks in with and that I can totally understand.
 
  • #277
"But prosecutor Bill Thompson perhaps dropped the biggest clue so far that could point to Kohberger's motive, during the plea hearing on Wednesday.

Thompson said: 'We will not represent that he intended to commit all of the murders that he did that night, but we know that that is what resulted.'

If the prosecution believes that Kohberger didn't intend to commit all four murders, it begs the question: which of the slayings were targeted?

Sources close to the investigation previously told Dateline that Mogen was believed to be Kohberger's target - based in part on the path the killer allegedly took after entering the three-story student home.

BK hasn't admitted anything other than guilt for the murders, therefore not details as to why or how from him. LE has evidence of his actions and whereabouts while in WA.

"Also last year, Goncalves' parents claimed to have found a social media account that bared Kohberger's name and linked him to Mogen.

'You would go to Maddie's Instagram account and look at her pictures, and he liked them,' Kristi Goncalves told 48 Hours in January 2024."


Sources say that Maddie's bedroom on the 3rd floor is not easy to get to, and where BK went first. He didn't expect Kaylee to be in the bedroom with her, nor for Xana to be awake downstairs when he fled. Xana was likely outside her room investigating the noises, then he saw her and followed her into her room, and also killed Ethan.

I remember watching that interview. It was Kristie who really spoke up about all the BK "likes" one after another on MM's social media. It really upset them.

I remember something from back at the start of the case.
The instant that BK was arrested, some morons from 4chan immediately created some social media accounts for a fake Bryan Kohberger and began liking lots of posts by the victims.

It didn't take long to figure out that the accounts were bogus. It was not really the actual BK thanking the girl's posts.

That is why the defense ended up saying there was no stalking or previous contacts. IMO

But by then the family and friends had already seen those 'likes' and reported it was the suspect who did so.
 
  • #278
According to Apple Books, I'm 88% through The Idaho Four. The G family does not come off well in this book. At all.

"[Maddie's grandmother] doesn't get why the Goncalves family seems to be making so many decisions for Maddie's family. She's puzzled about why Maddie's ashes are on their mantelpiece alongside Kaylee's."
 
  • #279
"[Maddie's grandmother] doesn't get why the Goncalves family seems to be making so many decisions for Maddie's family. She's puzzled about why Maddie's ashes are on their mantelpiece alongside Kaylee's."
That certainly sounds a little strange, especially the bit i bolded. I think the Goncalves said way back that Maddie was like an additional daughter to them or like Kaylee's twin sister or something along those lines, but still it ought to be obvious IMO that Maddie has her own real family, who would want her ashes themselves and who would want to make their own decisions regarding anything further in respect to her.
 
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According to Apple Books, I'm 88% through The Idaho Four. The G family does not come off well in this book. At all.

"[Maddie's grandmother] doesn't get why the Goncalves family seems to be making so many decisions for Maddie's family. She's puzzled about why Maddie's ashes are on their mantelpiece alongside Kaylee's."

"That up there is Kaylee and Maddie, we are going to keep them together."
The Goncalves' intend to eventually divide the ashes and distribute them between the Goncalves family and Maddie's family, so that both families have ashes for both girls. It's a compromise that will keep the best friends together. The Goncalves' said they won't separate them, not even in death.


 
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