GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[IzzyBlanche]

I’m torn about this. On one hand I would want to tell everyone how wonderful my child was, and how missed they are and all the other qualities that made them the special people they were but I think most of the world already knows this and are heartbroken for them.

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I agree 100%. Don't give the SOB the opportunity to revel in the suffering he's caused. Turn it back on him and make it about what a sad, pathetic loser he is.

 

[cottonweaver]

Thank you — more evidence of BK’s ability to charm or put women at ease when advantageous to him.

Here’s another instance that I forgot: Idaho murders suspect was 'charming' at medical appointment

IMO

There's another example too, one I'd not been aware of.

In that book, one of his peer students says that BK liked to hang around at the end of lectures to speak to Professors even though he had no interest in speaking to other young people/students.( Might have been grad student Ben, it was narrated towards the end of the audio, before he leaves WSU in December )

No idea if that's him wanting to ingratiate himself with them because he's just ambitious for good grades or because people in his own age group are beneath him but we'd already heard that both Bolger & Ramsland had very positive impressions of him.

Anyway, this kinda loops back to what @Luna20 has posted re BK's gestures towards Ann Taylor. Maybe attempting to schmooze people in positions of power? (Did he use to do this to mom to keep her on side too but never his sisters?)

( Might also be why he makes 'weird' & inappropriate overtures to arresting cops- reportedly he suggested Let's go for coffee or somesuch remark! - and his deference in court towards Hippler last week? Hippler- I appreciate the courtesy BK but you don't need to stand when you address me, you can sit down.)

Craving for power & authority seem to be driving forces for BK. Now he has none, he's property of the state.
As we approach Victim Impact statements, add it to the list of items which will eat him up, although as I posted last weekend referencing his sexual inadequacy would still be at the top of my list.)

 

[Vaderman]

I think the best punishment for BK would be for the families to forgo the victim impact statements. It sounds like so far, the families are split on showing up.

I think a complete rejection of BK and allowing him to savor his crimes would be the best outcome. The last we hear from him is a mundane, routine, sentencing.

 

[LAMARQ]

IF I was one of the family members, I think I'd like to send my statement to the judge for him to read prior to the sentencing. I love that the Chapins are going out on a boat instead of attending. Then I would post my statement online for everyone to read, but this monster would not get the satisfaction of hearing me physically make the statement in court. I like the idea another poster wrote to give him a mundane sentencing.

 

[DizzyB]

I’m torn about this. On one hand I would want to tell everyone how wonderful my child was, and how missed they are and all the other qualities that made them the special people they were but I think most of the world already knows this and are heartbroken for them.

On the other hand: I believe BK will love to hear how his actions have devastated their family, took their precious children, ruined their lives and ripped holes in their heart that will never heal. He will REVEL in that fact! His satisfaction will know no bounds.

What he does NOT want to hear: how he failed in the “perfect crime.” It will pain him immensely to hear about his stupidity of leaving the knife sheath, the various caught-on -camera scenes, (ex: peeling away from the crime scene and almost losing control of his vehicle; the license plate oopsie) how quickly he was apprehended and how he was clearly not the smartest person in the room. We could go on and on ad nauseam the mistakes and missteps he made. Clearly not the genius he thinks he is but as the coward he will be remembered. AND IT WILL RIP HIM APART.

I’m thinking I would go line by line every mistake, every misstep, every nail in his own coffin, not my child’s.

MOO

The only thing I want is for any of the victims to be heard, whatever their truth is. It’s such a massive weight for the families. Do they speak of what they lost, we are talking about human beings here, not poets or public speakers. It’s such a burden, how do you condense a child’s life, hopes and dreams that will never be realized because of a human who ended them. How do you sit in a building with this person who altered what could have been, who brought the pain that will continue for each person who loved these kids, forever. We should not give grades on how they handle their pain.

 

[Dotta]

I think the best punishment for BK would be for the families to forgo the victim impact statements. It sounds like so far, the families are split on showing up.

I think a complete rejection of BK and allowing him to savor his crimes would be the best outcome. The last we hear from him is a mundane, routine, sentencing.

Victims' impact statements are for victims.

These statements allow them to express their suffering
and honour the loved ones who lost their lives.

They help the Judges and the public understand the terrible consequences of the crime.

Victims have the right
to describe the emotional harm, despair and trauma they experienced due to the crime.

Victims' voice must be heard.
It is only just and fair.
It is their RIGHT.

JMO

 

[Tragg]

How about “In my professional opinion the Authorities have a rock-solid case against you. I’m going to work on your behalf to get the best outcome.”

My educated guess is that this is exactly what Taylor told her client.

But the ideas that I was responding to - that she should not have represented him at all because he is guilty or that, having accepted him as a client she is obliged to treat him like a pariah are simply incompatible with our system of justice, and not right under any moral code.

MOO

 

[Tragg]

Defense attorneys DO have the right to refuse clients. If that's their internal belief, then the defendant seeks out a different attorney.

Yes of course, but that does not mean that people who are guilty are not entitled to a defense, or that their attorneys must treat them in public as if they are guilty.

 

[arielilane]

“Had I selected him, he would have been embedded with the Pullman Police Department.”Police Chief Gary Jenkins says “The hair on the back of my neck stood up” when he realized the person he interviewed for an internship was Bryan Kohberger the murder suspect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946559335426875725

Cop who interviewed Bryan Kohberger: 'Hair on back of my neck stood up' | Banfield​

 

[arielilane]

Im not surprised by BK being stone cold or showing no emotion. That would be expected from a murderer.
He murdered four innocent young people, Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan
Chapin, during the prime of their lives. They had something he would never obtain or know. Love.

What gets me (as shown in video linked below) is that his lead attorney is looking at the convicted murderer with a big happy smile. That’s disturbing.

Such disrespect toward the victims’ families and friends, and all who truly seek justice (if thats a thing).

Video is 4+ minutes

Brian Entin describes scene inside Kohberger plea hearing | NewsNation Now​

Jul 2

 

[MeadowMuffin]

“Had I selected him, he would have been embedded with the Pullman Police Department.”Police Chief Gary Jenkins says “The hair on the back of my neck stood up” when he realized the person he interviewed for an internship was Bryan Kohberger the murder suspect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946559335426875725

Cop who interviewed Bryan Kohberger: 'Hair on back of my neck stood up' | Banfield​

 

[minazoe]

Bryan has no empathy at all ...he doesn't care about the impact on families. He hates those families and wanted nothing more than to destroy them. any kind of apology or admission is utterly FAKE.
he is not sorry and never will be. he is probably more wrapped up in his "reasons" than anything else and he will be the world's greatest student and expert regarding his own crimes. He feels he has elevated himself. I also don't think he will last long in prison even under protection. mOO

 

[TristanP]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943834440297591028

I don’t believe for one second that BK’s parents would participate in anything like this.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Bryan has no empathy at all ...he doesn't care about the impact on families. He hates those families and wanted nothing more than to destroy them. any kind of apology or admission is utterly FAKE.
he is not sorry and never will be. he is probably more wrapped up in his "reasons" than anything else and he will be the world's greatest student and expert regarding his own crimes. He feels he has elevated himself. I also don't think he will last long in prison even under protection. mOO

I totally agree.
I expect nothing from him at the sentencing hearing. The victim impact statements are an opportunity for the families to vent. It’s certainly not mandatory, and all respect for those that choose not to speak.
BK won’t give a rat’s #ss what is said. He didn’t care then and he doesn’t care now.

 

[mickey2942]

Agreed. Anything BK would say is probably a lie. I worked in a prison, and became so cynical and jaded. People lie so much, it is difficult to believe anything they say. Which becomes it's own issue, when someone does actually tell the truth. So, FWIW, put him in his cell, and shut the door.

 

[minazoe]

I don’t believe for one second that BK’s parents would participate in anything like this.

Asa Heuermann and family made out with a million.

 

[Diddian]

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Re the Vicky Ward and Patterson book and from what I've got through, am relieved to hear that WSU staff and female students did not buy his BS.
Monroe did? De Sales did? Arguably they did. ( Maybe because it was mainly online due to covid) but am relieved that WSU recognized him for what he was, even though it was too late for the victims.

The chapters on this topic show he was both casually sexist and deeply misogynistic. ( Which, coincidentally is what Dr Brucato predicted when he said he expected that BK held views that women should be restricted to the home ' barefoot & pregnant'. Although Brucato got the Page 133 underlining wrong - it's not Bundy, it's Eliot Rogers' manifesto which BK underlined)

There's lots of notable stuff in this book, but in relation to this theme - hoodwinking and manipulating, he could turn on the charm and appear normal when he needed to, he doesn't always show the social disabilities which the Defense argued for him. ( One example, he's chit-chatting to the woman who works in vehicle reg, sometime late November and agreeing with her about the Idaho murders ' just horrific' etc he replies)

Moving back onto the current topic, I really hope some of the families annihilate his ego in their victim impact statements

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About "annihilating his ego:"

I don't think they have that power and I don't think it is good for their own healing to believe that they do (because that essentially hands power to Kohberger as they engage with him and "want" something from him in return).

Recently I read Katherine Ramsland's book, "Confessions of a Serial Killer: The Untold Story of Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer." It was disgusting to get through - because it was mostly in Dennis Rader's own words (and I hated going inside his world where others are mere objects, his sick fantasies are all, and he excuses himself through a concept he calls "cubing" - but which investigators would recognize as "distancing."). Rader's story in his own words is supplemented by Ramsland weighing in with relevant information from a psychological standpoint.

Ramsland references something she calls 'narcissistic immunity," which she describes as follows (substantially edited words out to get to 100 max without changing essential points). BBM:

Offenders… display… resilience and… naïveté… believe … smart enough not to get caught… [This] “narcissistic immunity (NI)”… shows up in… repeat offenders who take significant risks… talent for rebounding… certain of… invulnerability—even when… evidence clearly against them... NI derives from arrogance,… sense of entitlement, and disdain… disorder that distorts social reality,… exist inside… cocoon of their own concerns… driving force is a need for complete control… believe … they are smarter than anyone investigating them… pride themselves on … modes of deception and manipulation. However,… need others to affirm their superiority… Investigators count on… inevitable errors that arise ...

IMO, Kohberger demonstrates this "narcissistic immunity," so wanting anything from Kohberger at this point only grants him some control which is exactly what he wants. Victims' advocates need to understand that Kohberger is beyond reach; their impact statements need to be designed for their own healing and to reach others capable of comprehending and empathizing with the full depth of the losses Kohberger has imposed upon them - as he easily could have any others innocently going about their lives in the vicinity of Kohberger's orbit.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I agree @DizzyB

I don't understand why the parents cannot have that information. I understand the gag order in place was to stop information leaking before the trial which could impact the trial, taint the jury pool and lots of other reasons.

I remember SG saying early on when he shared that his daughter sustained blows to her face and he had been told by his lawyer not to say more. That interview on CBS he said he did not know anything more than the public and he wanted to put those details in his victim impact statement. Doesn't he realize that BK would probably like hearing all those details?

I sure hope he becomes an activist for change to stop mass murders, school shootings etc. He's against it all like most people are. But for now he continues to criticize and say a murderer is going to adult daycare is out of line. BK isn't going home at night. He will be locked up until he dies or someone kills him.

I think he should take a look at what life is like behind bars. SG talked about how BK could give interviews, teach other inmates etc etc. This incarceration is alone in a cell, bad food, violence and six, a prisoner once told me if a criminal tells you he didn't have six inside prison they are lying. BK's life is going to be hell on earth.

All my opinion.

SG also said the plea deal gave BK the power. I agree. He doesn't understand yet, I hope, that that last power grab was a very bad choice. He could live 50 or 60 years inside.

I also agree we must do better. Thoughts and prayers for victims of senseless violence against innocent people is not enough.

BK has no power. He is going to be told where to go, what to eat, when to sleep and how to behave for the rest of his life. Later today, I'm going to visit some friends, go for a great walk outdoors, and maybe have some ice cream. Or not. Because I'm free to do what I want, within the law and my own resources. BK is behind bars and barbed wire. Only the most institutionally acclimated want to be in prison.

 

[Arkay]

Bryan has no empathy at all ...he doesn't care about the impact on families. He hates those families and wanted nothing more than to destroy them

Oh for sure I agree that he has zero empathy.

IMO though, I don’t see him hating the families.

To my mind, the families are nothing to him but a group of yammering cardboard cutouts.

I say this with all sorrow. I’d love nothing more than for BK to break down, apologize, explain his motive and so on, but I don’t see much more on the horizon than any procedurally required monosyllabic utterances.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I am still hoping for an after sentencing interview by LE. BK doesn't have to give one, but it sure would be enlightening if he did.

He'd lie. One thing I got from the Ward/Patterson book is that I had not thought through what it means that BK was an addict--and one who was an accustomed liar and burglar. Think of how he gaslit his neighbor who wanted a security system because someone was creeping her apartment. He may have kicked his addiction but his escape from reality and pursuit of pleasure just went in another direction.