GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Boxer]

Speculation alert. I am going way out on a limb to talk about something I know nothing about. It has been said it could have been a dazzler that DM saw.

What is that? Great question.

Dazzler (weapon) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Could this have been what DM mistook for a vacuum? Could this cause disorientation? Could someone who has VSS be interested in using an optical instrument like this to gain the upper hand? JMOSpeculatingO

The interweb told me about it and I thought what the heck? I am sure there are people who know about these things. I am just throwing this out there.

Possible. Assasin tricks.

 

[Boxer]

Here is your rounded solid object with stripes...the pommel of the KaBar knife...the butt end and handle...capable of doing a lot of damage to a face or body.....

I am convinced that one knife did all the carnage. JMO

Poster @Ghostwheel suggested this in an earlier post, and I am 100% in agreement.

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KA-BAR® 1217 USMC Fighting/Utility Knife

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That is what I think too.

 

[AngTxGal]

I have been out of pocket for the past week and am way behind in the thread. I apologize if the following has been addressed already.

The Door Dash driver interview is very interesting. I doubt she would have been much help to the prosecution if she had testified.

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Sources:

Kohberger Investigation Documents

Or

Moscow PD Kohberger Investigation Docs - Google Drive​

Reference: Cognitive Interview Technique

Note: I have only read the first 150 of the supplemental documents, so there may be another DoorDash driver interview.

Having read less than half of the available investigation documents, I can now see where some of the conspiracy theories originated. Unfortunately, I’m afraid several of these investigation documents are going to fuel further speculation by stubborn Probergers. I hope LE, the prosecution, and journalists remind everyone regularly that despite the messiness of the complicated investigation, LE got their man.

IMO

What jumps out at me is the clear description of a girl with long hair in an upstairs bathroom ducking down, as if to not be seen. And her doing this multiple times, as the DoorDash driver tried to figure out where to go to make the delivery.
Would that have been Kaylee?

I remember this being one of my first troubling thoughts- upon seeing the first pictures of the house I saw online. Not all windows had closed mini blinds or curtains- you could clearly see into the house.
If it was dark outside and the lights were on inside- they may have been easy to watch.

Joseph Scott Morgan- forensic discussion of Idaho Murders
Edited- I just found a video that describes the house, layout, visibility, and dangers

This and the unlocked or broken locks, geesh!
Talk about creepy!

IMO

 

[kaen]

It is pure rage and a wish to eradicate the person's identity. To my mind, it is also very personal, there had to be a connection between murderer and victim.

Or, a rage of the perpetrator towards someone who is coming between them and their object of their obsession. Two of the victims appeared to not be awake at the time of their killing. Two of the victims were confronting him--- taking away his ability to be stealth.

He has trademark behaviors of OCD. It is all about control. The control is exhibited outward and can be hidden from others at the same time. The inmate interview about the rage and the washing behaviors etc are very telling. He plans and has routines but don't interrupt them.

We will never know in the end, even if he tells the world. He desires to be in control so it is possible that a disclosure will not be the truth.

 

[Megnut]

13m

Compelling tip

 

[LAborn]

Whenever something like this happens, it reinforces that there is no defense against someone who has ill intent and a plan to commit violence.

 

[cottonweaver]

Things from these supps of interest:

-In these supps, people at various points are noting the slider wasn't locked and the other door into the home may have been accessible without the code. (supp 19, friend of Xana's noted doors at the house usually unlocked; supp42 , someone else says you could get in the door that had the code without using the code, and was unsure if slider was regularly locked)

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Plus you have this one re the open front door - we'd heard about this in news reports in 2023 but I'd never heard the full account from the neigbor.


' wide open ' between 9 am & 10am


supp 20



ETA

the Mail article also summarises various neigbors' comments about the dog being outside, barking.
IDK what to make of them but if Kaylee's bedroom door was open it helps explain why Murphy might have been outside after the murderer left but I doubt Murphy can open the front door himself. Bizarre

here's the Mail snippet

Around 4am, multiple neighbors said they heard a dog - believed to be Goncalves’ pet Murphy - outside and barking for about 45 minutes. Officers found Murphy on the third floor of the home inside Goncalves’ bedroom, with the door open.

Explosive Bryan Kohberger files: Fingernail scratches, chilling clues

Here Daily Mail unpacks the major revelations unearthed in the trove of newly-released police records about the Idaho murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[femto]

Or, a rage of the perpetrator towards someone who is coming between them and their object of their obsession. Two of the victims appeared to not be awake at the time of their killing. Two of the victims were confronting him--- taking away his ability to be stealth.

He has trademark behaviors of OCD. It is all about control. The control is exhibited outward and can be hidden from others at the same time. The inmate interview about the rage and the washing behaviors etc are very telling. He plans and has routines but don't interrupt them.

We will never know in the end, even if he tells the world. He desires to be in control so it is possible that a disclosure will not be the truth.

I also believe it's this. It's not personal, he was just overwhelmed with adrenaline and trying to dispatch Kaylee as quickly as possible out of fear of not being caught. He probably felt a huge sense of panic once he was caught by Kaylee and Xana and responded with an erratic overkill. He's not an experienced killer, I would imagine past Maddie he was basically running on pure instict. You only need to see him speeding down the road to see how chaotic his mind was at that point.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It is pure rage and a wish to eradicate the person's identity. To my mind, it is also very personal, there had to be a connection between murderer and victim.

Or at least a connection to the 'type' of victims that were killed. IMO

 

[snooptroop88]

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Plus you have this one re the open front door - we'd heard about this in news reports in 2023 but I'd never heard the full account from the neigbor.


' wide open ' between 9 am & 10am


supp 20
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MUCH thanks for noting this! I remember this door thing with what's actually Queen Road (and what I would more view as the "front door") from way back, and the idea that it's in here, too-- yikes.

So from reading the supps, the slider was left open per the supps, or they assume it was, I believe. AND this other door? Someone correct me if I've got this in error (please).

Murderer didn't care much if anyone noticed. Murderer knew nobody wanted to notice, and probably legitimately wouldn't anyway in "party house." Murderer knew nobody in "party house" wanted unnecessary contact with LE in "party house." Whoever said there's someone here & sounded scared (sounds like it was indeed Kaylee)-- she was right & had reason to be scared, but she didn't call. Murderer knew she wouldn't, murderer knows nobody in that house wants LE there without a darned good reason.

How'd he know?

 

[soap mama]

Wow, the look on BK’s sisters face is screaming “get me the f out of here”! Is it not?
Family has a right and obligation to support each other, even if they are killers. I don’t fault them for doing so- I would be there for my son and brother if they did a horrible thing like this.
But- there would be zero illusion that I supported his actions, and I would cry for the victims, and once he was taken back to prison I would have a difficult time purchasing a plane ticket to go see him.
His sisters saw the signs, how could you not?

IMO

Family members can know, in the moment, that a family member is troubled.
But, in the panic of dealing with all the weird, will either defer the blame onto others so as to not deal with the problem at hand, or just become hopeful they will snap out of it.
He had a lot of feedback over the years, but was weird enough to not be able to change his interactions.
Can you imagine being the sibling who has to say out loud that they thought he may be involved in the murders? It's like she got to the end and couldn't ignore the truth anymore.

 

[DizzyB]

If the witness to the front door being open is correct, coupled with BF hearing the sound and seeing the flash on that first floor, what does that mean? DM saw him head toward the second floor kitchen slider, presumably to exit.

 

[sunshineray]

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Plus you have this one re the open front door - we'd heard about this in news reports in 2023 but I'd never heard the full account from the neigbor.


' wide open ' between 9 am & 10am


supp 20
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ETA

the Mail article also summarises various neigbors' comments about the dog being outside, barking.
IDK what to make of them but if Kaylee's bedroom door was open it helps explain why Murphy might have been outside after the murderer left but I doubt Murphy can open the front door himself. Bizarre

here's the Mail snippet

Explosive Bryan Kohberger files: Fingernail scratches, chilling clues

Here Daily Mail unpacks the major revelations unearthed in the trove of newly-released police records about the Idaho murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That's interesting. BF, as described in the documents just released, said around 4:00-4:20 am she heard what she thought was a firework go off and saw what looked like sparks from under her door, out in the hall. Very odd as that's the approximate timeframe of the murders.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Could this object be a torch/flashlight?

It's the butt end of the Ka=bar, most likely.

 

[sunshineray]

I also believe it's this. It's not personal, he was just overwhelmed with adrenaline and trying to dispatch Kaylee as quickly as possible out of fear of not being caught. He probably felt a huge sense of panic once he was caught by Kaylee and Xana and responded with an erratic overkill. He's not an experienced killer, I would imagine past Maddie he was basically running on pure instict. You only need to see him speeding down the road to see how chaotic his mind was at that point.

Maddie had a deep wound cut right across her face and Kaylee was stabbed, more than 30 times and repeatedly in her face. Xana was reportedly stabbed 50 times and Ethan's leg was carved. That all sounds very personal to the killer, like he was enraged. IMO

 

[sunshineray]

It's the butt end of the Ka=bar, most likely.

Considering he left none of his blood behind, turning that knife to use the butt end to bludgeon seems a good way to cut yourself. He could have had something inside his glove, maybe brass knuckles on? Or possibly a blackjack around his wrist? Just some thoughts

 

[soap mama]

According to The James Patterson book, The Idaho Four: An American Tragedy, as late as last summer, his dad was telling a neighbor that he was innocent, and had been framed, and would be cleared at trial. JMIO

Lord knows his parents never expected to raise such a troubled child, but this example of not hold him accountable consistently for infractions and interactions, is/was not helpful, insight.

 

[soap mama]

No reason he didn't use a hacksaw and cut it in 5 pieces, forever losing the knife profile. Leaving pieces here and there. Per AI yes hacksaws can cut a Kaybar, if slowly. But I agree, there wasn't much demanded of him, same with Watts

The image of this <modsnip> boy using a hacksaw is kinda funny. Would it be heavy enough to tip his scrawny body over? •TIMBER•

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948721124117766457

 

[girlhasnoname]

Oh my, I had no idea but that makes perfect sense!
I knew mail was reviewed- I didn’t know the paper itself could be contraband.
Wow, people are resourceful… or desperate.
So then do they file charges against family members for attempting to supply prisoners with drugs?

IMO

He said you'd be amazed at how much dope comes into the prison and by whom. Not just inmates IYKWIM. Blew my mind actually.

MOO